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#395951 - 05/03/12 11:59 AM Possible D.I.D. diagnosis
cris40ky Offline
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Registered: 06/20/11
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Recently KMCINVA started a thread:
[url= http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=389166 ]Integration[/url]

Originally Posted By: KMCINVA
Reconnecting with the part that was long buried and did not effectively interact with the other parts is difficult--the mind has effectively "pretended" the abuse did not happen--
Trust by both parts is difficult--but acceptance of the abuse is the first step--
The sense of the fragmented part being present is alien even though subconsciously the fragmented part was always there but not acknowledged.
Kevin



Over the past month my T. and Psych. have been dropping and hinting at a D.I.D. diagnosis for me. I had a major dissociative episode with my Psych where he had to raise his voice and yell to "get me back". And there is no doubt there is this little boy inside me that endured the abuse from my Uncle and kept it locked away from my conscious mind for decades. And sadly, it seems the abuse happened on more than one occasion. After each episode, the other me, the survivor me took over to maintain the illusion that nothing was wrong.

Yesterday my T and I began a more serious discussion of me and DID. Apparently the only symptom I don't have is periods of lost time in my day to day life.

This makes sense, sort of. D.I.D. is on one end of the spectrum of Dissociative Disorders. And I guess it's possible to have a less extreme version of D.I.D. My T. asked me yesterday if all of my parts are able to "see" through my eyes at that specific moment. And "I" was able to easily recognize the distinctive parts inhabiting my life. Two distinct persons created at the time of each abusive situation, or with both male perps. One at or about age 5. One that is socially a teenage abused by the priest, and what I've more readily identified as "me". The one who keeps the circus together and hidden.

I was wondering if anyone else has been given this "D.I.D." label without having blatant switching between alters. It seems from KCMINVA's thread that it's not uncommon for us to have compartmentalized "people" that endured the abuse. And, at least for me, my muscle memory fb's have literally been that persona taking over my body while remaining a silent presence in my "mind". And at other times we very much co-exist as we look out at the world and interact with it.

I'm scratching my head here.

Chris

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#395954 - 05/03/12 12:14 PM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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Hi Chris,

Wow, thanks for posting this and asking these questions. I haven't been diagnosed with DID, but I *have* been diagnosed with complex PTSD. DID can be a symptom of it.

I can relate to much of what you said. Serrendipitously, because of things that have happened in the past few weeks, I've been forced to start reconnecting to a fear that I had masked over many many years ago - masked over by anger.

My personality became a mask of anger and presenting a very masculine front (threatening, almost) so that I would be protected from any possible threat of abuse or being taken advantage of. I grew up very angry (and consequently, very lonely).

I've been sinking into this anger and re-connecting to the source of it - it is covering an immense amount of fear from years of daily psychological and sexual abuse from my peers and from my cousin, respectively.

Thanks for posting this question and for asking this, again. It's helping me to see how someone else is addressing what seems VERY similar - our psyche's evolve in a distorted way as a self protective mechanism - and much of that is done by dissociation. Some of it is chronic, some of it is habitual, some of it is by necessity - but we are now at a stage of our lives where we realize this protective mechanism no longer serves us, and its a matter of learning how to reconnect all the parts of ourselves into a coherent hole. Which means feeling the feelings, and self acceptance. And that hurts like a mofo.

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#395961 - 05/03/12 02:08 PM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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Chris,

Your description sounds a great deal like what I had. I need to talk about it more with you. I felt like combination of a boy and a man even after therapy for DID. EMDR finally got me over that. But I've been thinking recently that even if I don't feel like both anymore, I still feel inwardly like a boy - so it's still not completely solved.

My stuff was started with abuse when I was 4. I figured out 40+ years later that it must have been kiddie porn. At that age the person fractures fairly easily. I can still do it if I need to.

Allen or Puffer

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#395964 - 05/03/12 03:06 PM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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Started the night I was raped. Almost 40 years. DID is a result of child sex abuse in 95% of cases. It also is relegated to genius level intelligence (150+ IQ) or causes it. Different personalities can score differently. Former (didn't test her others), 193. Me, 226. My other, 208. "Integration" can be very dramatic just like the death of a loved one. The impetus to integration. More than 3 are just fragments. The females can be the most dangerous ones not the males. The thing the movie "Identity" got wrong (besides the one night integration). Welcome to the very small and exclusive club.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_(film)
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#396063 - 05/04/12 07:50 AM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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Thanks guys for taking the time to respond.

LOL @ Phoenix: I certainly don't feel like a genius!

My T presented me with a broader list of symptoms than I was ever aware of on Wednesday. And pointed out very subtly by them things I had been doing without realizing it. Like losing place mid sentence and jumping to a totally unrelated topic without missing a beat. Or without any indication that I was even aware I had done so. And whenever toddler me or "Little Chris" would go into details describing his memories, my eyes would roll up in my head and I would be "lost" to the environment as long as LC was sharing his memories. I never noticed either of those before.

It makes a lot of sense for me at this point. And explains a lot about what happened later with Fr. Bastard. What went on during his abuse.

It's kinda scary and kind of hopeful at the same time.

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#396080 - 05/04/12 01:05 PM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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Edited by phoenix321 (07/17/12 05:17 AM)
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A guy opens the front door and sees a snail on his doorstep. He picks up the snail and throws it across the street in a neighbor's yard. A year later, the guy opens the front door and the same snail is on his doorstep. The snail says, "What the f*ck was that about?"

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#396081 - 05/04/12 01:19 PM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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Ive met plenty of really really dumb "smart" people...and a lot of realy really smart "dumb" people.

Go figure.

Subjective tests dont really tell you about a person and what kind of "smarts" they have.

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#396090 - 05/04/12 03:35 PM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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DID is different with everybody who has it. That's because in each case it was invented anew by a small child. Small children can do it most easily. They aren't conferring with other small children or going by a manual as to how to do a dissociative identity thing. They just get under overwhelming pressure and/or pain and they invent it. Yes they usually are pretty cagy to be able to do it. It's kind of like having an imaginary friend - which small children can do anyway. But in this case it's like turning into someone else who can bear the pain. Kind of like Clark Kent stepping into a phone booth in a business suit and emerging as Superman with a cape and being able to fly etc. Then when the abuse is over they can switch back and be the previous guy. Often the Clark Kent guy is unable to remember what the Superman guy endured. That is of course "amnesia".

I can still do this under pressure. I have done it recently. I know what it "feels like".

I used to be a college teacher. As my teaching progressed, I would "become" some other guy to teach. I felt I needed to do that because who I felt to be the real me was pretty stodgy and not very dynamic. If I was still doing it today, I would step into my mental "phone booth" and become "Dr. Oz" in order to teach. At that time one of my alternate personalities was "Carl Sagan". It's kind of "cool" to step up to the lecturn and become "Carl Sagan" to deliver your lectures! smirk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan

I acquired the ability when I was 4. The perp was making movies of me and some other boys. Of course we had to "perform" while he was making the movies. I often would stay overnight in the perp's house. When I returned home I had complete amnesia to the abuse and the stay at the perp's house. It was a "magic slate" amnesia. Like that child's toy where he can draw a picture on the magic slate and then lift up the top sheet and it would completely erase the drawing beneath. As soon as I went through the door of my parent's house, zipppp..... up went the cover sheet and I had no memory of what had happened. It sounds so convenient..... But it had lots of consequences. Of course #1 is that I lost the memory of what had happened. (Actually it was stored in my brain but just unavailable). I carried this trait for many years. I'm just now realizing how it worked and trying to get over it. For instance. When I was a student, I was learning and being given homework assignments. When I went through the door of my home, zipppp..... The memory of what I learned was not available and the homework assignment was also not available. That's why it helped to be a smarty pants. I could figure out answers on quizes, or somehow reach into that grab bag of amnesia and pull out the answers.

Originally Posted By: cris40ky

My T presented me with a broader list of symptoms than I was ever aware of on Wednesday. And pointed out very subtly by them things I had been doing without realizing it. Like losing place mid sentence and jumping to a totally unrelated topic without missing a beat. Or without any indication that I was even aware I had done so. And whenever toddler me or "Little Chris" would go into details describing his memories, my eyes would roll up in my head and I would be "lost" to the environment as long as LC was sharing his memories. I never noticed either of those before.

I don't know that I rolled up my eyes, or if I did it was like the blink of an eye. But instead of becoming LC, I became "Little Puffer". Yes, then it was only after therapy that I could remember the memories of Little Puffer. I still haven't remembered it all. I had some memories that never vanished. The perp would apparently come down to breakfast and cut his toenails and wear a certain kind of robe and bedroom slippers. Because of that I always hated those kinds of slippers and the toenail clipping, etc. There are other examples.

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It makes a lot of sense for me at this point. And explains a lot about what happened later with Fr. Bastard. What went on during his abuse.

Yes...... It starts to make sense. Much later. I had to put together information from a lot of sources and it was like putting together a puzzle. The pieces had to fit together. And when the picture on the puzzle starts to emerge, then it's "Oh............".

Some of the sources I used were: The picture my avatar is drawn from was of me at that age. The perp was famous in his employment and I got lots of information from the web. My mother after a head injury told me the names of the other boys involved in the abuse. I have pictures of the house and Google Map has shown me the precise location. My father's employment history has given me exact dates and locations. My mother's memories were slightly out of time sequence, but I could correct them by my father's type-written employment record. I had light hypnosis to reveal the early memories.

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It's kinda scary and kind of hopeful at the same time.

Almost kinda fun, like putting together a puzzle. The problem is that abuse at that age leaves a heavy hobnail boot footprint in our brain development.

http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthr...2889#Post212889

Allen (Puffer)




Edited by pufferfish (01/22/13 11:01 AM)

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#396100 - 05/04/12 07:26 PM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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Registered: 10/04/11
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Hi cris40ky,

In Mic Hunter's book "Abused Boys, he goes through a lot of stuff related to MSA. He has various different chapters including "Life Areas Affected by Abuse" and "Recovery Issues" and stories of Abuse Survivors. It is an excellent book that I would highly recommend.
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#396176 - 05/05/12 04:01 AM Re: Possible D.I.D. diagnosis [Re: cris40ky]
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Guys, thanks doesn't cover it.

There's nobody in my life that can grasp what this is like for me. My T is very sympathetic, but it's not the same.

Sailor John, thanks for the book reference. I used to have that one and will try to find it.

Are there any other sound books on DID that you guys know of?

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