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#382220 - 01/12/12 06:40 PM This is why i hate religion
nltsaved Offline

Registered: 08/26/08
Posts: 873
Loc: Kc,Mo

(and this is not me in the video although it is how i feel)

This very same thing was on my heart today while i was at work. I thought to myself Religion is such Bs it does more harm than good . It destroys without building up i thought it is RELIGIOUS people that give Christians a BAD rap. This is why people want nothing to do with God because they are so Religious that no one wants to be around them. Think about it can you picture Jesus with a sign that says GOD HATES FAGS hell no you can not because that is what Religious people do He would have open arms just as he did for the Whorelet . God excepts everyone it is Religious people who reject people. Do this or do that wear this and wear that .
My pastor always says

Edited by nltsaved (01/13/12 08:49 PM)
Edit Reason: add some more
Video of me telling my story
you are not alone never were
Why i hate Religion but love Jesus

#382340 - 01/14/12 12:08 AM Re: This is why i hate religion [Re: nltsaved]
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#475678 - 01/21/15 05:12 AM Re: This is why i hate religion [Re: nltsaved]
victor-victim Offline

Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3931
Loc: O Kanada

"When people quarrel about religion they drag god into their squabbles."
     ~ Chief Dan George

"When religious people quarrel about religion, or hungry people about their victuals,
it looks as if they had not much of either about them
     ~ Benjamin Franklin



#475694 - 01/21/15 08:42 AM Re: This is why i hate religion [Re: nltsaved]
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I have a letter written years ago to someone I was communicating with who was asking about what God was about

I am sorry that it took me so long to answer your message but you can be sure that you are on my mind daily. You asked me to tell more about this amazing love and I am glad to tell even though I never feel that I can describe it well enough.
You said that you are not very religious and that is not a bad thing I was raised living religion and I found it very empty …..….I still do and I have no use for it.

I tried living religion but I had real feelings and real problems that no one ever talked about. I was different and I did not fit there or anywhere really. I had broken all the rules and couldn’t seem to stop.

I would have to tell you a long story to show all the details but one day after a long miserable time, I realized that God is real and not only is he real but he loves me. He loves me not because I do anything for Him. Not for any gift I have, I don’t have to be strong or weak; rich or poor He loves me only because I am. And all those things that I did to offend Him he was ready to forgive and He did. And He wants me to be with him always. It is a great love.
And once I accepted His great love for me thru Jesus Christ I was changed, in a moment and over time I was not afraid to be open and loving and for a change I wanted to be loving.
I began to find a new power in my life to change and I did change even my desires changed over time and the greatest thing is this gift is available to any who will ask

I can tell you more if you want I know this letter is long and I still have much more I could tell. So I hope to hear from you soon.

Your friend
Either I will find a way, or I will make one.
Philip Sidney

#475707 - 01/21/15 12:12 PM Re: This is why i hate religion [Re: nltsaved]
tbkkfile Offline

Registered: 09/16/13
Posts: 305
Loc: Surrey, United Kingdom
At last a bit of sense

Think about it can you picture Jesus with a sign that says GOD HATES FAGS hell no you can not because that is what Religious people do He would have open arms just as he did for the Whorelet . God excepts everyone it is Religious people who reject people. Do this or do that wear this and wear that

Thank you nltsaved
To look up and not down,
To look forward and not back,
To look out and not in

#475716 - 01/21/15 02:01 PM Re: This is why i hate religion [Re: nltsaved]
Chase Eric Offline

Registered: 10/25/10
Posts: 1527
Thank you SO much for this, NLT. I'm Jewish, but my partner is Protestant. He had me read the Gospels. Jesus is not, to me as a Jew, the Son of God. But he is my moral compass, my litmus test in those times I question my path: what would Jesus do? In that sense he is my savior. As a Jew, I think I'm a better Christian than many Christian religious leaders pretend to be. And what you say is right on the mark.

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#475744 - 01/22/15 01:11 AM Re: This is why i hate religion [Re: nltsaved]
victor-victim Offline

Registered: 09/27/03
Posts: 3931
Loc: O Kanada
took a little work, but i got the complete transcript here.
please let me know if i made any mistakes.

Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus

What if I told you Jesus came to abolish religion?
What if I told you voting Republican really wasn't His mission?
What if I told you Republican doesn't automatically mean Christian
And just because you call some people blind doesn't automatically give you vision?

I mean, if religion is so great, why has it started so many wars?
Why does it build huge churches but fails to feed the poor?
Tells single moms God doesn't love them if they've ever had a divorce
But in the Old Testament, God actually calls religious people whores

Religion might preach grace, but another thing they practice
Tend to ridicule God's people; they did it to John the Baptist
They can't fix their problems, and so they just mask it
Not realizing religion's like spraying perfume on a casket
See, the problem with religion is it never gets to the core
It's just behavior modification, like a long list of chores
Like, "Let's dress up the outside, make it look nice and neat"
But it's funny that's what they used to do to mummies while the corpse rots underneath

Now I ain't judging; I'm just saying, quit putting on a fake look
‘Cause there's a problem if people only know you're a Christian by your Facebook
I mean, in every other aspect of life, you know that logic's unworthy
It's like saying you play for the Lakers just because you bought a jersey
See, this was me too, but no one seemed to be on to me
Acting like a church kid while addicted to pornography
See, on Sunday I'd go to church, but Saturday getting faded
Acting if I was simply created to just have sex and get wasted
See, I spent my whole life building this facade of neatness
But now that I know Jesus, I boast in my weakness

Because if grace is water, then the Church should be an ocean
It's not a museum for good people—it's a hospital for the broken
Which means I don't have to hide my failure; I don't have to hide my sin
Because it doesn't depend on me; it depends on Him
See, because when I was God's enemy and certainly not a fan
He looked down and said, "I want that man."
Which is why Jesus hated religion, and for it He called them fools
Don't you see so much better than just following some rules
Now let me clarify—I love the Church, I love the Bible, and yes, I believe in sin
But if Jesus came to your church, would they actually let Him in?
See, remember He was called a glutton and a drunkard by religious men
But the Son of God never supports self-righteousness—not now, not then

Now back to the point—one thing is vital to mention
How Jesus and religion are on opposite spectrums
See, one's the work of God, but one's a man-made invention
See, one is the cure, but the other's the infection
See, because religion says "do"; Jesus says "done"
Religion says "slave"; Jesus says "son"
Religion puts you in bondage, while Jesus sets you free
Religion makes you blind, but Jesus makes you see
And that's why religion and Jesus are two different clans

Religion is man searching for God, Christianity is God searching for man
Which is why salvation is freely mine, and forgiveness is my own
Not based on my merits, but Jesus' obedience alone
Because He took the crown of thorns, and the blood dripped down His face
He took what we all deserved—I guess that's why you call it grace
And while being murdered, He yelled,
"Father, forgive them; they know not what they do."
Because when He was dangling on that cross, He was thinking of you
And He absorbed all your sin, and He buried it in the tomb
Which is why I'm kneeling at the cross, saying, "Come on, there's room"
So for religion—no, I hate it; in fact I literally resent it
Because when Jesus said, "It is finished," I believe He meant it

reposted here with respect and gratitude.
written by Jefferson Bethke
Why I Hate Religion, But Love Jesus
"A poem I wrote to highlight the difference between Jesus and false religion. In the scriptures Jesus received the most opposition from the most religious people of his day. At it’s core Jesus' gospel and the good news of the Cross is in pure opposition to self-righteousness/self-justification. Religion is man centered, Jesus is God-centered. This poem highlights my journey to discover this truth. Religion either ends in pride or despair. Pride because you make a list and can do it and act better than everyone, or despair because you can’t do your own list of rules and feel “not good enough” for God. With Jesus though you have humble confident joy because He represents you, you don’t represent yourself and His sacrifice is perfect putting us in perfect standing with God!"
—Jefferson Bethke

in closing, i leave you with a passionate delivery of this poem by a young lady full of conviction.



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