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#381702 - 01/06/12 07:03 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: Ken Singer, LCSW]
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robbie and ken, i think there is more than one issue going on here.

firstly, the article i linked says anyone on the california "sex registry" is banned from the park. now, from what people say in their comments there -- that includes all forms of sexual activity whether rape or being caught jackingoff behind a tree while thinking of a g/f because one was drunk or whatever and bothering no one -- but he got cited anyway. it also includes a teenaged guy who "falls in love" and has consensual sex with a teenaged girl who "loves him" equally - and it gets reported by the girl's parents (i'm assuming), and his file will forever follow him and state "had sex with 16yr old girl" even though that guy is now 35 or 40 or whatever. if i'm not mistaken, that same issue happens in ny too.

i can buy that is indeed a problem for some who take the risk. is it my problem to solve? no. not anymore. got enough of them before i die in a few years.

robbie, if i am not mistaken, along with me likes the bans simply because it does specifically hit at the nasty pedophile. it is our little "home run" so to speak -- someone in authority actually hearing our voices for a change and, for the first or second time, saying "yes, hear you, got that, let's ban them."

i'm saying, or adding, that such a ban is a good first step - and/or better than nothing.

so what is next? not much of an answer from the general public. and i take great issue with that.

the n.j. bill is targeting their own list of sex offenders, correct? and does that list include what california includes, meaning guys who are actually not pedophiles?

ok - so, opinion time.

n.j. oped wrote: ".....Their relationships with parole officers, family members and any other support network would be disrupted...."

oh please -- i'm too old. cry me a river. i really don't care if a pedophile's life is disrupted by being forced to move.

next.


"...And experts say that would make them even more dangerous."

ok. have heard experts before....out of the previous white house for example: if we don't get them terrorists now, they too will become more dangerous. so, is this more of the same fear mongering? or is there some sort of proof to back up the specific claim about peds being more dangerous?

"....Tightening the circle around sex offenders gives us the illusion of safety. But in reality, it would leave our children less safe."

doing nothing is less safe - let's be perfectly clear.

that said, i question "less safe" as defined by this article for, to be honest, i see no real evidence today to show our children are safe anyway. more aware? yes. more likely to tell mummy and daddy? yes, compared with the 1970s.

the "illusion" argument, i agree with simply because this entire country is an illusion - our so called freedom (for all who aren't victims first) is an illusion; those great opportunities (for all who aren't victims) ditto, for everyone joining hands and helping one another - the grandest illusion of them all. men's sexuality? another illusion - for we are not permitted to have sexuality.

".....To protect kids, we have to watch them, educate them and communicate with them."

how quaint. another opine that ends with a period instead of stating "how." enlighten us -- teach parents how. this country is founded upon "fix it yourself." "survive yourself." "succeed yourself." help us learn how!

the n.j. oped, the ocregister, the city of mission viejo (the point of this thread), never states how to watch, educate and communicate with boys/kids whatever. it is up to the parents, it is up to each male survivor to "figure it out for themselves." thus, those in authority, whether they pass laws or write headlines, succeed in only one thing....and i describe it as: Halfass.

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#381706 - 01/06/12 07:55 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: westchesterguy]
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Well, again, I fail to see ANY down-side for anyone at all. Are there NO takers on this??? The N.J. editorial lady drones on and on with analogies and mixed metaphors that might sell a used car to an idiot, but please deliver me ONE substantial reason we ought not allow convicted pedos near children's parks...because resistance to this is actively scaring me.

I look at the opposition arguments to be pedo-apologetics and coddling. I see a highly agendised polarity that I fully resent.

Maybe I need to hear from a pedo why he ought not be effected by a force-field around parks and recreation. How bout that??? Any pedos care to hop in with a good reason? (I'm serious)

Maybe some of the pedos ought to hear about the nature of my flashbacks? Anyone wanna hear about the nature of my flashbacks...or maybe what happened during the events that cause the flashbacks?

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#381707 - 01/06/12 08:07 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: Still]
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dudes... update to the original article. the link one lady posted just now is that the argument or premise to reasoning why bans are unfair is that peds can be healed of their ways. that is what this is about and i've been bit 'o a fool to have engaged these ladies the past two days, me thinks.

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#381713 - 01/06/12 10:08 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: Ken Singer, LCSW]
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Ken,

I'm all for life sentences for pedos. Stick all those losers on an island and let them fend for themselves is an even better idea. People do NOT want pedos living near them. Pedos ruin kids lives so I say we should ruin their's with life in prison. I'm a liberal person but Pedos don't change. And, I really don't care anyway. Life sentence for pedos works!

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#381714 - 01/06/12 10:11 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: westchesterguy]
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Hey! Riddle me this:

In order to have a concealed-firearm carry license, I have to go to classes, have background check up my ass, take more classes, be finger-printed, be interviewed, be tested, take more classes and pass drug tests. This is true in several states where I am licensed to carry concealed. Thank God NH has a brain-cell and an understanding of the constitution.

Anywho...By federal law (as in FEDERAL LAW) I cannot travel or LIVE (as in LIVE, DWELL or HANG-OUT) within 1000 feet of ANY school-zone whilst in possession of ANY firearm.

Now, if I pass through or within 1000 feet of a school-zone in the US of A, I will go to club fed. Do not pass go....go directly to jail. It is entirely impossible for me to do that. Its darn SAD and inconvenient (pouty face)!!!

AND I never committed any crime...ever...else I could not even OWN a farging gun.

THE LAW TEXT


So tell me dear pedophiles and pedophile-lovers, where's the equity? And if you DARE say the guns are dangerous....


MY gun never raped a baby!!!!!

So put THAT in yer NAMBLA folder and jerk-off to it!!!



Edited by Robbie Brown (01/06/12 10:13 PM)
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#381715 - 01/06/12 10:15 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: Still]
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Robbie,

Pedos should be banned from anything that kids hang out at. Period. No frickin' excuses. The ones being found guilty today, life in prison is mandatory. Adios, pedos! You are now Bubba's bitch. Hope you like what happens to you since you had no problem ruining some kids life. And, no therapy for them in prison. They are there for life. Good riddance. Pedo apologists can go get stuffed!!!



Edited by phoenix321 (01/06/12 10:17 PM)
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#381716 - 01/06/12 10:28 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: phoenix321]
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Yes phoenix, but I get ultra, wicked, totally, completely discouraged when elements of society have such utter disregard for child safety and wield that disregard in employment of supposed superior intellect and social understanding.

Why? What is it that drives such a fucked-up view of sex offenders? What does it DO for them? Do they not have the nards to put anyone away in a pit of concrete hell?

I have lost EVERYTHING by just finally dealing with CSA as I never could before.

I KNOW Jesus will get me into heaven, but I'm gonna stand by the gates just to watch baby-fuckers get turned away.

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#381718 - 01/06/12 10:39 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: phoenix321]
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Think they should be banned from places where kids congregate but I do see the danger To others who live without the protection of a ban where offenders will be forced to congregate in huge concentrations. Furthermore, it is false security. False because we all know that the scary pedophile probably lives with the kid he is molesting or is actively involved in his (or her) life. Trolling parks is a risky proposition ban or no ban but your chances of getting away with raping kids is greatly enhanced by sticking to friends and family members. Someone mentioned terrorism as an example and there have been several noted experts who confess that that whole take your shoes off body scan stuff is really just to make you feel better. It may stop a terrorist, but it probably won't. Same thing here. We'll feel better. We'll even have ammo to throw a perp back In jail if we catch a perp there (fine by me). I've checked the registry for my neighborhood and I'm actually not worried by the 10 people who popped up. I'm more worried about cousins and uncles, and brothers (and now after hanging out in this board sisters) of friends. I am one maniacal mother. No one is above scrutiny and until all the parents are like me, kids will be at risk because I'm not even convinced that all my vigilance will prevent a determined perp.

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#381720 - 01/06/12 11:04 PM Re: ped park bans [Re: GoodHope]
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Anyone engaging in "False security" is bloody foolish.

If this premise is even valid, then why have home alarm systems?

Why lock your house? Why lock your car doors?

If we can't hold-out hope that a simple law is worth our time and effort, we ought not even bother with the whole "society" thing.

Do we feel secure in life knowing that police exist? If anyone does, they are a danged fool. Police in ANY area con't stop ANY crime. But the Pedo Park law is meant to ensure Johnny Jagoff knows he'll see bonus-time in the concrete shit-hole if he treads close to the children's domain. Its kind of like a restraining order.

Does the beaten woman feel safe with the restraining-order in her pocket and on file with the police? If she does, she'll likely end up injured, dead or missing with some perps. The restraining order brings us lovely things called "options."

Excercized options can include:

- A reason to arrest
- A reason to imprison
- A reason to fine
- A reason and permit to use deadly force
- A pass for using deadly force in a deadly manner. smile

But does ANY danged fool actually feel as if Billy Beatsalot is gonna stay away?

No? So false security is strictly a fool's job.




Edited by Robbie Brown (01/06/12 11:07 PM)
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#381726 - 01/07/12 12:23 AM Re: ped park bans [Re: GoodHope]
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Goodhope,

I support Life in Prison for Pedos. That's it. Done. Over. No "therapy" either. Pedos are in for life.

Since we have pedos outside of jail, they live in certain sections of cities and towns and have RFID tags on them so a satellite can look down and see where the Pedo are. ID is required and Pedo shows up on any ID. Anywhere kids are hanging out, pedos don't go. If they do, the RFID tag alerts cops and the penalty for violating is LIFE IN PRISON!

Once potential pedos realize ZERO TOLERANCE is the LAW, they will think twice, and if they don't, LIFE. No excuses. That's it.

Oh, it is equal for men and women pedos. I'm sick of seeing women get away with it. Life for all. No exceptions.

Now, if any of you pedo apologists want anything different, let us know. They can all live at your house.

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