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#375465 - 11/15/11 11:34 PM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: EGL]
mh6893 Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
Posts: 35
Loc: Hong Kong
If the allegations are true, this guys has been lying for decades, so why would he stop lying now when his freedom is on the line? He wouldn't.

If the allegations are not true, what motivation would 8 different child victims have to make up such stories? They don't have any.

Has there ever been a person accused by so many people over such a long time that ended up being innocent? I've never heard of it.

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#375467 - 11/15/11 11:39 PM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: EGL]
mh6893 Offline


Registered: 12/08/10
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If the allegations are true, this guys has been lying for decades, so why would he stop lying now when his freedom is on the line? He wouldn't.

If the allegations are not true, what motivation would 8 different child victims have to make up such stories? They don't have any.

Has there ever been a person accused by so many people over such a long time that ended up being innocent? I've never heard of it.

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#375501 - 11/16/11 09:00 AM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: mh6893]
ksequoia Offline
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Registered: 11/16/11
Posts: 92
Loc: NYC
This Sandusky thing has really shaken me up. I'm reliving the nightmares I thought I was dealing well with the support of my 12 step group (sober 18 months). Was beginning to feel like a regular kid again (though I'm 54) - then this happens. It's the shower. It happened in the shower and it was my dad. I was about 4 or 5. But as sharp as I am in memory, even with trivial matters, I have giant blocks of time in my youth that I cannot recollect a thing. The "main event(s)" being part of that memory lapse. I'm just quietly freaking out as this news is daily thrust upon me. So I joined you guys here. Could use support. Thanks.


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#375672 - 11/17/11 04:39 AM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: ksequoia]
mh6893 Offline


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You have support here. Despite my experience not being the same as described, I still feel freaked out a bit and extremely angry. With the perp of course, then with the jerks that turned a blind eye and protected their own, and now with the idiot students lamenting the loss of their friggin' coach. Football above innocent children? They use the same language as the perp does to minimize and distract from the real point. Selfish assholes. Can't put themselves in anyone else's shoes.

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#375673 - 11/17/11 04:40 AM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: ksequoia]
mh6893 Offline


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If you need to, use the chat function here. You will find supportive voices in real time. Good luck!

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#376018 - 11/19/11 08:27 AM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: mh6893]
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Registered: 02/02/11
Posts: 419
Loc: California USA
I can't believe I agree with Sarah Palin on something. Get a rope. Of course where do we place it around his neck or around his fifth appendage. The world will never know. Mike


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#376026 - 11/19/11 09:08 AM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: mike13]
ksequoia Offline
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Maybe, this time, the world WILL know. We can't let this creep go free. We need him polygraphed, like, YESTERDAY! Prosecuted, imprisoned, and shown to the world the monster he is. And then we don't shut up, because there are thousands like him out there. We make sure everyone knows there are severe repercussions for these heinous acts. There will be justice! Alone, we can't achieve much. Together, we can do it! We Will Heal!


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#376054 - 11/19/11 01:38 PM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: mh6893]
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Registered: 12/29/07
Posts: 189
Loc: USA
Aside from the dynamics of sexual abuse, the dynamic of being accused by many, and being innocent... yes... I can think of one historical person in my ancestry in historical Americana.

Rebecca Towne and ever so many others throughout New England during the Salem Witch Trials of the later 1600's.

Human beings have not changed that much, that even in 2011 innocent people are still being accused all the time, for criminals acts, they did not commit, whatsoever. A jury still convicts, and years later, the convicted are being released from incarceration "because they were always innocent" ; but yet retrosepctively, many were willing, and apparently able to, accuse a innocent person of wrong doing.

The same is true for Sexual Abuse Allegations, even today.
That does not mean, that I think Sandusky or any of those involved in this sordid mess at Penn State, are even now, telling the truth about the realities of their words and or conduct. And this is NOT to minimize the 'vicitms' in this situation at Penn State or anywhere else.

What happened 319 years ago in Salem MA to the Towne sisters and so many others in Europe and in America, took on a life-of-its-own and so too, this Sandusky business can too. Such is the reality that if Sandusky can't get a Jury Panel who hasn't heard of the case and not informed an opinion, where does that leave the alleged victims to gain some sense of justice, and legal closure. Or their families either? Everyone wants to label Sandusky and or his victims as homosexuals. So with that reality. When will this mess start causing people to become labeled as homosexuals = as child molestors, and someone gets a finger pointed at them, when in reality they are innocent? Just like my ancestors were innocent of the accussations against them.

Maybe y'all just don't get my previous point in making a comparative between Penn State/Sandusky/Joe PA of today and the Witch Trials back in the day?


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#376058 - 11/19/11 02:39 PM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: GeorgeMartin]
ksequoia Offline
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Registered: 11/16/11
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Loc: NYC
With all due respect, GM, I do not see the correlation of PSU and the Salem Witch Trials. The events of 1692 were created by Christian fundamentalists, Cotten Mather & Co., that were trying to eradicate, or exterminate the local Native American Indian tribes. They did not want the "savages" influencing their young folk. Tituba was a slave girl stolen from the neighboring tribe. There were many "witnesses" to the "possession of demons", as I understand it, frankly, because they wanted to save their own butts and to be looked favorably upon from Authority. In other words, they were "drinking the Kool-Aid". How many innocent folks were killed in Salem? A dozen or so? And they were all innocent of demonic possession, whatever that is anyway.

So where does a dozen boys claiming "me too!, me too!" correlate to the heinous acts of 319 years ago? What benefits a boy from falsely making that accusation? The accuser, as we often see, takes the burden of risk. In Salem, the accuser is the hero in the eyes of the Church.

Just my take on this.

K.-



Edited by ksequoia (11/19/11 04:31 PM)
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#376088 - 11/19/11 08:00 PM Re: Sandusky admits he 'horsed around,' claims innocen [Re: ksequoia]
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Quote:
The events of 1692 were created by Christian fundamentalists

Actually, this is a very interesting subject to study. The locations through the world where the which trials were at their worst were locations where the church didn't even have an influence. Most of the accusations were more politically driven than anything. Like I said, interesting to study and really dig into it rather than except the "norm" that most people just pass around...

But I agree, there is NOTHING at all in connection with what is going on at PSU and witch trials.

Check you statistics and you'll find that only in about 2% or so of cases are found to be false allegations. And in something like this... the more that come forward the less likely it is only someone out for money like the defense is trying to get people to believe.

Now if we could just keep certain key witnesses from running around lying to get people not to hate them for hanging a poor boy out dry and thus ruining his credibility....



Edited by JustScott (11/19/11 08:01 PM)

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