Newest Members
myrlin, AaronS, BookHouseBoy, WeFallWeRise, kieran
12463 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
arty (46), ava_adore (28), babs (63), bkeithb (49), shylo (34), si (22), universe (33)
Who's Online
8 registered (matt123, 7 invisible), 31 Guests and 5 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
12463 Members
74 Forums
63990 Topics
446607 Posts

Max Online: 418 @ 07/02/12 07:29 AM
Twitter
Page 4 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >
Topic Options
#375329 - 11/14/11 10:04 PM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: ShOHIO]
TheTwoOfUs Offline


Registered: 11/03/11
Posts: 149
Loc: USA
Raw. Blunt. Brutal. And perfectly written, completely truthful. Said so much better than I could ever say it myself.

Know this : if it had been one of MY boys (I am a father of 5; three boys and two girls, ranging from 17 down to 6) - if it had been one of MY boys, I would have needed about a dozen MP's to hogtie me down and send me to Antarctica on a one-way trip for a very long time. I get ferociously protective of my children. Always, always have been. I get just as ferociously protective of ANY child.

Children are to be nurtured and loved. NOT abused. ONE case is one case too many!

_________________________
Matthew

Adapt. Overcome. Survive.

Top
#375334 - 11/14/11 10:47 PM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: TheTwoOfUs]
Chase Eric Offline
Moderator
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 10/25/10
Posts: 1442
Originally Posted By: TheTwoOfUs
...I get ferociously protective of my children. Always, always have been. I get just as ferociously protective of ANY child.


I don't have kids, but when my sister had her boy, she told me she finally and instinctively understood bears. The maternal protective sense she had overcame her as a sudden, unexpected instinct. If you dared to get near her "cub", she'd knock your head off with a single swipe (both bears AND my diminutive little sister!) smile

_________________________
Eirik




Click my pic to see why I'm here

Top
#375338 - 11/14/11 11:45 PM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: Chase Eric]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6875
Loc: USA
I heard a snippet of the Sandusky interview.

I've read two books on sociopaths. I've experienced abuse from them. I don't like them.

We as the public do not understand how dangerous they are. And they are more dangerous because:

They are often very persuasive.
They don't have feelings for their victims.
They feel that their victims deserved it.
They don't flinch under pressure because their emotional self is not connected to their thinking.
They are manipulative.
They are good liars.
They are motivated to help themselves and they don't care about who they hurt to do so.
They don't care if they destroy you. They're mainly interested in themselves.
They know how to make themselves look good.

The Sociopath Next Door, by Martha Stout.
http://www.amazon.com/Sociopath-Next-Door-Martha-Stout/dp/0767915828/

Don't Let Jerks Get The Best Of You Advice For Dealing With Difficult People, by Paul Meier M.D
http://www.amazon.com/Jerks-Advice-Dealing-Difficult-People/dp/0785280197/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky

He's a pro at convincing people that he's a nice guy and harmless.

Avery has the right perspective:
http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthr...5190#Post375190

Puffer







Edited by pufferfish (11/14/11 11:58 PM)

Top
#375345 - 11/15/11 12:25 AM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: pufferfish]
Anomalous Offline
Greeter Coordinator
MaleSurvivor
Registered: 03/07/10
Posts: 1352
****** TRIGGER ALERT ********


I am so sickened by what I have learned, and heard, over the past week, I don't know where to begin.

Jerry Sandusky, Penn State's once #2 coach was "fired" when he was only 55. Back then, Sports Illustrated reported that Sandusky didn't want to play 2nd fiddle to Joe Paterno for the rest of his life. But as good as Sandusky was as a coach, he turned down the university in Maryland's offer to be their head coach.

The sad truth is, Maryland decided they did not want Sandusky around. It seems that the misdeeds of Sandusky were only secret to the public. No other university wanted Sandusky around. They all seemed to have known of his dirty little secret.

Back when Sandusky was fired, Penn State had the opportunity to come clean and to say they cleaned a pariah from their ranks. They could have been the heroes, in more than one way. They could have saved counltess boys from the horror of being raped.

Instead, Penn State chose to keep Sandusky's secrets. The tens of millions (approximately $50 million/ year, or more) brought in from football was worth more to them than the safety of young boys.

Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer.

Penn State did just that.

They permitted the fired Sandusky to keep an office on campus, and Penn State provided his internet access. They also let him keep the keys to the kingdom, or at least the locker room.

It was no secret that Jerry Sandusky was frequently in the company of young boys. The agent who booked the flights and hotel rooms as well as set the seating arrangements for dinners was always aware of who, and how old, Sandusky's "company" was. Sandusky was never accompanied by his wife, but he was always in the company of young boys.

Though eyebrows might have been raised, no one raised their voice.

Which is not entirely true.

One of Sandusky's victims did come forward in 1998. Police were witness to Sandusky admitting his misdeeds to the mother, even going so far as to acknowledge that she would never forgive him, but that he hoped that G_d would. Yet the D.A. at the time, Ray Gricar, said there wasn't enough "evidence" to bring forth a case that he could win.

This is the same D.A. that disappeared in 2005 and who his family had declared deceased by a court in July, 2011. The only thing ever found was his laptop, minus the hard drive, which was found at a later date. Information on how to destroy data on a hard drive was also found.

Penn State and Second Mile are conducting "internal investigations." I think those investigations need to be conducted, but by independent third parties. Neither Penn State nor Second Mile can be trusted to reveal the truth at this point. They both have too much money to lose. What incentive do they have to be truthful when the truth has been covered up for so long?

The judge that let Sandusky loose is a judge who has worked with his charity.

I would also like to see forensic accountants look through the books of both Penn State and Second Mile. Something tells me they would find some very interesting transactions.

The media is reporting that there are "only" eight victims. Since Sandusky has had access to young boys since at least 1977 it is unlikely the number of victims is only eight. And if what is surmised is true, namely that Sandusky made boys available to the wealthy donors to the charity, then he is even more depraved than words can describe. And if he did make boys available to others, I hope every one of the people who abused those boys gets their names and faces plastered on billboards across the country. I also hope they are prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law and they are raked over the coals by civil judgements.

As for Mc Creary (sp?) -- the idiot who heard AND saw Sandusky raping a boy and who walked away.... there is a special place in hell for him. He has stated that "both" saw him.

Did he look into that young boy's eyes? Did he see the fear? The humiliation? The pleading for help?

Did he care?

What did he see in Jerry Sandusky's eyes? The threat that if he told he would lose his job, jsut as the janitor(s) would and that he would never coach again, anywhere?

As saddened as I am to say this, I can almost understand the reticence of the janitor to say anything. Jobs are hard to find, and good jobs with benefits, and a free college education are even rarer.

But what is Mc Creary's excuse? He witnessed, first hand, what Sandusky was doing, yet he said NOTHING.

Oh, he called his daddy, and the next day he told Joe Paterno.

Why didn't he run into Sandusky and knock him to the ground? Why didn't he grab that kid and run?

Why didn't anyone do anything they should have done?

Sadly, the answer is money.

There was too much of it to be made, and too much of it to be lost. So they tried to sweep the problem under the rug, hoping that it would just "go away."

But what did they think would "go away?"

Sandusky's behavior? That wasn't going to change without intervention.

The pain the boys experienced as a result of being raped?

We all know that doesn't just "go away."

Everyone at Penn State, and the detective and the missing D.A. all dropped their responsibilities. As a result, countless boys have been harmed.

Yet to listen to people talking, you would swear it was the boys who were raped who are the villians. "They" have ruined everything by speaking the truth. Poor Joe Paterno, who was supposed to retire at the end of this year, has lost his job. A few others at Penn State have stepped down or have been fired. The CEO of Second Mile has resigned.

My heart bleeds.....

for the boys who have been raped by Sandusky, and who are being vilified by those who would rather keep their collective heads up their collective asses and not see the terrible truth.

Sandusky's mouthpiece is now using the fact that the boys who Sandusky raped come from disadvantaged financial means to "justify" saying the boys are lying.

Does poverty mean one cannot tell the truth?

We all know that having money is no guarantee of truth telling or of moral behavior, or those at Penn State would have acted years ago to put a stop to Sandusky, rather than keeping his dirty little secrets.

Some say the football team should not "suffer" as a result of the wrong doing of Sandusky.

While the current players might not have had specific knowledge or be complicit in Sandusky's behavior, it is the millions of dollars generated because of their football program that Sandusky was permitted to do as he pleased for so long. It is also the reason why the university, and all of those so far named, turned a blind eye and never did anything to report Sandusky to the authorities.

Penn State can have as many moments of silence as they choose, but it won't change the reality for far too many young boys who now live with the horror and trauma of being raped.

Joe Paterno has vowed to spend the rest of his life "helping" the university.

Really?

Helping them --- how? By maintaining the lie that you didn't know anything about Sandusky's behavior? By maintining the silence you have kept for years? How much has Penn State paid for your allegiance, Mr. Paterno?

I have yet to hear Penn State offer to pay for counseling for those who were raped by Sandusky. I have yet to hear Penn State encourage all of Sandusky's victims to come forward so they can get the help they so desperately need.

Penn State no longer has to worry that if they make an admission that they will be paying civil lawsuits. I would say that is pretty much a given.

What remains to be seen is to how many of Jerry Sandusky's victims those lawsuits will be paid.

My heart breaks for those boys, and there are many more than the eight noted in the grand jury indictment. How many more remains to be seen.

I hope all who have been harmed by Jerry Sandusky find the courage to come forward. Let them put the shame where it belongs -- on Jerry Sandusky.

I hope the boys/ men raped by Jerry Sandusky come forward so they can finally get the help they need, and deserve.

This dirty secret that every football program seemed to know, and about which they kept silent is no longer a secret. Let Jerry Sandusky bow his head in shame. Let him hide behind closed windows and doors. Let him feel the enormity of what he has done.

Penn State has made countless millions of dollars from their football program. Let them now use that money to help those who never should have been harmed, instead of using it to pay a team of attorneys to further cover their assets.





Anomalous

_________________________
Acceptance on someone else's terms is worse than rejection.

Top
#375516 - 11/16/11 11:45 AM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: Anomalous]
Rusty563 Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/11
Posts: 200
Loc: Anywhere, USA
I don't know if this is appropriate for me to add to this thread especially following Anomalous' statement (thank you) but I don't want us to forget who else who turned a blind eye to this travesty - District Judge Leslie Dutchcot. Read this article:

http://deadspin.com/5859075/judge-who-se...-mile-volunteer

She just patted her ole pal on the back and sent him on his way.

Rusty



Edited by Ken Singer, LCSW (11/16/11 01:11 PM)
Edit Reason: possible incitement for violence. Sentence removed.
_________________________
There is no greater agony than bearing an untold story inside you - Maya Angelous
Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed - Martin Luther King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qF_qbaWt3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDOkMSf-F14

Top
#375518 - 11/16/11 11:58 AM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: Anomalous]
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6571
Loc: Never Sugar Mountain
Originally Posted By: Anomalous
As for Mc Creary (sp?) -- the idiot who heard AND saw Sandusky raping a boy and who walked away.... there is a special place in hell for him. He has stated that "both" saw him.

Did he look into that young boy's eyes? Did he see the fear? The humiliation? The pleading for help?

Did he care?



He gave an interview on his front porch last night or this morning. He explained that he didn't do "nothing." "I tried...I tried to stop him...I did something." But the poor tower or ego power says his nerves are frazzled. He "feels like a snow globe."

HE FEELS LIKE A SNOW GLOBE! Someone stop this planet PLEASE....we GOTTA kick this little turd off. shit....I just puked on my computer!

_________________________
You are using 118 of the 300 allowed characters.

Still Not Recognized


Top
#375519 - 11/16/11 12:06 PM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: Rusty563]
Rusty563 Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/11
Posts: 200
Loc: Anywhere, USA
I found the links to District Court. You can email the Court Administrator at:

http://www.co.centre.pa.us/271.asp (the judge doesn't have an email address)However, if you're brave enough you can call, fas or write here at:

District Judge Leslie A. Dutchcot
Serves the Townships of College, Ferguson, Halfmoon, and Patton
District 49-2-01
1524 West College Avenue, Box 11
State College, PA 16801
Hours: Monday through Friday, 8:30 am to 5:00 pm
Directions: Map
Phone: (814) 237-4981
Fax: (814) 231-1429

The District Attorney's office at:
http://www.co.centre.pa.us/da/default.asp

I'm planning on emailing both offices to have my voice heard.

Rusty

_________________________
There is no greater agony than bearing an untold story inside you - Maya Angelous
Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed - Martin Luther King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qF_qbaWt3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDOkMSf-F14

Top
#375520 - 11/16/11 12:08 PM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: Rusty563]
Rusty563 Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/11
Posts: 200
Loc: Anywhere, USA
Yeah, A F___KING SNOW GLOBE!!! Did you notice that there wasn't a hint of remorse on his face? It was GD smirk!!!!

_________________________
There is no greater agony than bearing an untold story inside you - Maya Angelous
Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed - Martin Luther King
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qF_qbaWt3Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDOkMSf-F14

Top
#375525 - 11/16/11 12:23 PM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: Rusty563]
unhappycamper Offline


Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 619
Loc: VA
==TRIGGER!==

If WITNESSING a child being raped makes you feel like a Snow Globe, imagine (or for many of us, REMEMBER) how it makes the child feel.

And is it my bedeviled imagination, or is this Sandusky business getting weirder every day?

BTW, how DOES a snow globe feel? I thought they liked being "all shook up."

John


Top
#375532 - 11/16/11 01:15 PM Re: Riots at PSU.... [Re: unhappycamper]
Ken Singer, LCSW Offline
Moderator Emeritus
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 08/24/00
Posts: 5780
Loc: Lambertville, NJ USA
Gentlemen:
You can email the people involved with the case but remember that threats of violence will turn some people off and/or get you into trouble.

I'm referring to Rusty's statement at 11:45a.


Top
Page 4 of 5 < 1 2 3 4 5 >


Moderator:  ModTeam, TJ jeff 

I agree that my access and use of the MaleSurvivor discussion forums and chat room is subject to the terms of this Agreement. AND the sole discretion of MaleSurvivor.
I agree that my use of MaleSurvivor resources are AT-WILL, and that my posting privileges may be terminated at any time, and for any reason by MaleSurvivor.