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#374559 - 11/07/11 01:30 PM Penn State Football
Gretta Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 239
Big exposure on the Penn State football program. The grand jury report is very detailed and difficult to read. ***THE ARTICLE CONTAINS MAJOR TRIGGERS*** If you can handle it, you can google it and read it. I am happy to say that Jerry Sandusky will be going to jail for a very long time. The question is who else should go to jail?

I think Penn State University should be held responsible for the tremendous amount of covering up they did when they had more than one eye witness accounts of actual abuse! Isn't that crazy even after someone sees it they don't believe it!

I am proud of the brave survivors who came forward to tell their stories. I give them so much credit!
He started a home for troubled boys and then sexually abused them. Oh this man deserves to rot in hell. I am still working on my anger issues but it's hard when you read this stuff.



Edited by Gretta (11/07/11 01:31 PM)

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#374575 - 11/07/11 03:15 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Gretta]
Fissy Tsickens Offline
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Well, if he doesn't rot in hell, then it'll be a long, cold day there, until I support another of their annual funraisers. All kidding aside, once in prison, Sandusky will get his in the end.

Peace,

John

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#374576 - 11/07/11 03:20 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Fissy Tsickens]
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Hell for him will be playing a continual football game in freezing weather. Drizzle and sleet running down his neck. On one team will be him alone facing a team of small angry boys. Everything he does to try to win will turn to s--t. They will beat the tar out of him in every play. He will be continually humiliated by the little boys. The boys turn out to be holographic images so that they aren't really there. The game will go on and on and they will rub his face in the mud.





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#374654 - 11/08/11 01:19 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: pufferfish]
unhappycamper Offline


Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 624
Loc: VA
Hell for Sandusky will be the short time he spends in prison before he gets Jailhouse Justice.


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#374656 - 11/08/11 01:25 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: unhappycamper]
Fissy Tsickens Offline
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***TRIGGER WARNING*** - FISSY IS BEING A WISE-ASS AGAIN...

Yup, John. It's like I said, he'll get his in the end (literally, over and over).

Peace,

John

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Wish that I could cry
Fall upon my knees
Find a way to lie
About a home Iíll never see

It may sound absurd...but donít be naive
Even heroes have the right to bleed
I may be disturbed...but wonít you concede
Even heroes have the right to dream
Itís not easy to be me

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#374856 - 11/10/11 07:42 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Fissy Tsickens]
Gretta Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 239
Joe Pa has been fired and so has the president of Penn State. I am proud the board has taken these two actions. Still more to do. Don't cry for Joe pa cry for the victims and their recovery.


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#374858 - 11/10/11 07:59 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Gretta]
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I was PISSED at anyone who suggests that Paterno met his moral obligation. He and everyone else with the tiniest bit of knowledge about the possibility of a crime have an obligation to call the police. Let them sort out truth or fiction of you doubt the veracity of the eye witness account who had everything to lose by coming forward. And mcQueary should have called the cops, his pops and then Patrrno in that order. He saw a rape In progress-911 immediately! Sheesh!

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#374859 - 11/10/11 08:08 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: GoodHope]
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I think I am going to start asking people who say they met the moral obligation if they were the child(ren) raped AFTER the child McQueary saw and told PAterno about would they still think Paterno, Curley, Schultz, Spanier and even McQueary himself met their moral obligation. They are partially responsible for every offense that could have been prevented had Sandusky been convicted after the first or second eyewitness account (janitors or McQueary).

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#374862 - 11/10/11 08:21 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: GoodHope]
Gretta Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 239
How about it 911! Are you kidding me????


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#374895 - 11/10/11 01:57 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Gretta]
Gretta Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 239
Hey I was thinking we were looking for a way to raise awareness about this stuff. I would say this Penn State thing is major awareness.

First it is a great opportunity for people to talk to your kids. My kids are into football and we actually went to Penn State to see a game last year. This tragedy was a great way to talk to my 8 year old. His eyes were so wide but better to know then to not know. This was not a creepy guy on the corner or in a dark alley this was a well respected football coach that commanded the attention of many. This changes the face of who people think molest.

Second it can send a message to people who witness and walk away. Administrations will take this kind of thing much more serious than before.

It's terrible but Male Child Sexual Abuse now has major awareness.


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#374912 - 11/10/11 04:52 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Gretta]
lucylives Offline


Registered: 04/07/11
Posts: 367
Seriously, I am so pissed right now I am beyond myself! Shame on McQueary, spineless ass. How could yu walk in and see that and walk out??? I wonder if he has kids and how he would feel if someone was raping his child and an adult walked in, saw it and left.

How could he not stop it?? How could he not attack Sandusky? Why isn't he fired?????? Shame on him. If nothing else, he should have pickd up a phone IMMEDIATELY and called the police. Not his dad, not Paterno. THE POLICE! If I was the parent (or one of those victims) I woould be at his door right at this moment asking him why he chose to ignore it? Maybe if it was a little girl, he would have called the police but that is bullshit. Boy or girl, what the helll does it matter. I just wish he wold explain himself...

He did have a moral obligation to do something but doesn't he have a legal obligation to turn that asshole in? Could seeing it and not stopping it make him an accessory? I am not an attorney but seeing someone commit a felon and not doing anything should be a crime,if it isn't already.

As for the other assholes at Penn state, shame on you too. I am sure it is so hard to believe it really happened and maybe that is why the coverup. It is so hard to believe that that stuff happens. But McQueay, you saw it with your own eyes and did NOTHING.

Sorry fo the ranting. I am just so PISSED right now.


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#374914 - 11/10/11 04:53 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: lucylives]
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Registered: 04/07/11
Posts: 367
And he is coaching on Saturday......

I hope someone throws eggs in his face. I hope he is as humilated as those victims.

Yes, I am being judgmental but I don't care. No excuse for that.


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#374935 - 11/10/11 09:28 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: lucylives]
Gretta Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 239
I will be surprised if he is there long. I need to turn it off and stop reading I am sick.


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#374938 - 11/10/11 09:39 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Gretta]
hopeandtry Offline


Registered: 07/28/10
Posts: 476
This whole Penn State thing makes me want to throw up. So triggering. But it is an opportunity for us to educate people about male sexual abuse.


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#374944 - 11/10/11 11:57 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: hopeandtry]
GoodHope Offline
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Anyone see Jon Stewart tonight? Last 5 minutes of the show-Awesome!

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#374948 - 11/11/11 12:30 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: GoodHope]
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Registered: 10/23/11
Posts: 47
Loc: PA, USA
I am a student at Penn State and its shocking to see that people want to cover up child sexual abuse. My suspicion is that people don't really know what it feels like to live life of a sexually abused man. I agree with "hopeandtry" people need to be educated more about child sex abuse. Right now the buzz in the town is mostly about Joe Paterno being fired. People are angry about their fav. coach being fired. I am feeling for the victims, i hope they get some peace.

Very few people are talking about how to help the victims, because most of them have no clue what it is like to be a victim. People need to be educated, people need to educated more on this issue.


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#374950 - 11/11/11 12:46 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: RollerCoaster]
hopeandtry Offline


Registered: 07/28/10
Posts: 476
Sports...don't even get me started. I hate the whole good ol' boy system and any member of "the group" being defended by other members of the group. Actually, this is not just sports...could be clubs, other hobbies, etc.


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#374962 - 11/11/11 07:43 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: hopeandtry]
Gretta Offline


Registered: 09/17/11
Posts: 239
Roller Coaster (good name by the way) I am sorry that's the focus at Penn State. It's a big football town and it's much easier to focus on that then anything else. I hope it makes you feel better to know that most everyone I have talked to are appauled and could care less that JoePa has been fired. They have taken this subject and the time to talk to their kids about sexual abuse.

A very good friend of mine is on the board of trustees and they said it was a no brainer. The president and joepa needed to go. She is now getting threats for the action. CRAZY?

I am confident that from this terrible situation a boy or two have been saved from being abused.


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#374964 - 11/11/11 07:55 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Gretta]
lucylives Offline


Registered: 04/07/11
Posts: 367
I agree Gretta that it is much easier to focus on the firing of JoePa than anything else. No one wants to think about the fact that this type of abuse happens. If they keep ranting about JoePa, they don't have to deal with their feelings on what really happened to those boys. I think it is just too intense for most people to handle.


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#374966 - 11/11/11 08:09 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: lucylives]
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I think it would be a great time for the media to focus on a show about the effects sexual abuse has on the live of those victimized. It seems no one talks about the lifetime effects of abuse on a child. Maybe if more time was spent on showing people how children's lives are destroyed, more people would pay attention. Many deny it happens, others say got over it, others do not want to believe someone they know was abused and there are those who care and support. But the latter understands and the others need to be educated on how the child's life is forever changed.



Edited by KMCINVA (11/11/11 10:55 AM)

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#374968 - 11/11/11 08:22 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: lucylives]
Still Offline
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Originally Posted By: lucylives
Seriously, I am so pissed right now I am beyond myself! Shame on McQueary, spineless ass. How could yu walk in and see that and walk out??? I wonder if he has kids and how he would feel if someone was raping his child and an adult walked in, saw it and left.



Examine the big-picture here: What is the culture within that football program to make McQueary's actions possible? This fkr had to call his FATHER to see what the right thing to do was?? Paterno and Compnay is to blame for an organizational culture that enabled such bold horror.

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#374979 - 11/11/11 10:50 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: Still]
unhappycamper Offline


Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 624
Loc: VA
I can understand that someone who witnessed such a thing would call his Dad about it, but I can't understand =not intervening on the spot,= if only to shout "Hey, what's going on?" (Personally, I'd probably be doing time right now for assaulting the perp, but that's just me! wink At least the boy would have been spared a few minutes of abuse.)

John


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#374980 - 11/11/11 10:53 AM Re: Penn State Football [Re: RollerCoaster]
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Registered: 10/21/11
Posts: 624
Loc: VA
Rollercoaster:

It might not be totally bad for the media to stay away from the young victims for a while. Meanwhile, it sounds like some of the attorneys and public figures who advocate for CSA victims are in touch with the victims, to make sure they aren't forgotten.

But I agree, one more sob story for Paterno and I'll barf on my keyboard!

John


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#375114 - 11/12/11 06:13 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: unhappycamper]
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Just gonna repeat this here in case any F&F wish to comment.

If anyone reads or knows my story, this is the exact, same mentality I faced ALL through seven years of active abuse in my shitty-little, sports-orients home town of DANVERS Massachusetts.

The masses are too self-centered and pigish to even examine themselves in the mirror. Humanity, by its very nature hates mirrors.

But what to do about Penn...? I think back on one of the horrible 1980s slaughters at a California McDonalds. Immediately following all neccesary investigations, the building was torn-down and grassed-over.

I say, with all seriousness; "tear-down the Penn State Football program NOW and for ever!!!" The sports leadership at Penn has shown its true colors...its regard for children...its entirely entitled and self centered ways. There is NO FKG reason to keep it! NONE!!!! It was an institution built upon poison, it now needs for REAL men of TRUE character to stand-up and destroy it.

People throw righteous shit-fits when a sex offender moves within ten miles of their home. Where's the consistent reaction for an actual baby-rape factory? There is none and there never will be.

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#375120 - 11/12/11 08:07 PM Re: Penn State Football [Re: RollerCoaster]
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Registered: 01/19/11
Posts: 43
Originally Posted By: RollerCoaster


Very few people are talking about how to help the victims, because most of them have no clue what it is like to be a victim. People need to be educated, people need to educated more on this issue.


If one in every six of our amazing men in this country are victims of sexual abuse don't you think there are enough of them out there that do know what it feels like to be a victim?


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