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#365652 - 07/08/11 12:17 AM Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case
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Do people here think he's guilty of sexually assaulting that hotel maid? As it stands she's been proven to be dishonest in her dealings with other matters but does this mean she's lying about sexual assault? We can ask why would she lie about that but its a fact that some people have. On top of this there's another accuser claiming that he atempted to rape her in 2003. Given the increase in allegations is this an example of where there's smoke there's fire? Perhaps its hard to say. There's another element to all this and it's that up until the first accusation was made Strauss-Kahn was expected to be a serious contender for the French presidency. Is it possible that there are political motivations at play here? I honestly don't know the answers to any of my questions. Just pondering is all. JS

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#365657 - 07/08/11 09:30 AM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: jls]
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It is possible he was framed, per this article.

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#365669 - 07/08/11 01:43 PM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: FormerTexan]
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According to the news reports I have followed, his misbehavior was frequent in his home country. But that kind of behavior is tolerated there. He's not really a "nice" guy.

I think that someone here (in USA) was trying to change the balance of power by getting him on the chopping block. Who would have contemplated something like that? I have an idea but I'll have to think about it before I post it.

Allen




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#365701 - 07/09/11 01:01 AM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: pufferfish]
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Yes I'd heard stories about his sexual misbehaviour. I wouldn't say that it is totally tolerated in France as that depends on whether you ask women or men about him. Anyways all I can say is that where money, power and sex intersect nothing's ever as clear as it should be. JS

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#365757 - 07/10/11 06:11 PM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: jls]
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This is a page out of wealthy powerful sex predator's playbook. See what happened to any of Michael Jackson's victims or Bill Clinton's. Amazing that they went back and examined all her tax returns, etc. She lied on her taxes so don't help her if she is raped?

You have a potential presidential candidate in France with money to burn versus the word of a hotel maid. He pulls together the dream team and the mudslinging starts. The maid's attorney wasted no time with a slander suit against the NY Post for the prostitution mud ball. Hell, pick a struggling reporter, slip them some "source stories" and a few thousand bucks and we have an expose on the slut whore maid who dares accuse the saintly IMF chief. Color me as not lending that much credence.

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#365758 - 07/10/11 06:16 PM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: catfish86]
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Originally Posted By: catfish86
This is a page out of wealthy powerful sex predator's playbook. See what happened to any of Michael Jackson's victims or Bill Clinton's. Amazing that they went back and examined all her tax returns, etc. She lied on her taxes so don't help her if she is raped?

You have a potential presidential candidate in France with money to burn versus the word of a hotel maid. He pulls together the dream team and the mudslinging starts. The maid's attorney wasted no time with a slander suit against the NY Post for the prostitution mud ball. Hell, pick a struggling reporter, slip them some "source stories" and a few thousand bucks and we have an expose on the slut whore maid who dares accuse the saintly IMF chief. Color me as not lending that much credence.


Very well summarized, Catfish.

It sounds to me as a play between some powerful forces.

Allen


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#365854 - 07/12/11 10:33 AM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: catfish86]
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To digress for a minute, I wouldn't say any of the women Bill Clinton had consensual sex with were victims, unless you count Monica Lewinsky's hurt feelings from falsely believing he really was going to divorce Hillary and run away with her. In that case she was a victim of her own stupidity. On the Michael Jackson comparison though I wholeheartedly agree with your point, that being that he used money and influence to abuse and likewise used money and influence to cover it up. Same can be said for Roman Polanski, who drugged and raped a 13 year old girl more than 30 years ago yet still walks free, and countless members of the Catholic clergy. In my estimation Dominique Strauss-Kahn likely falls into the same category, namely someone who abused his position of influence to exert power over someone for power's sake. On that note this has nothing to do with sex, it痴 about power, just as it is in every instance of sexual abuse or assault. Sex is used as a weapon is all, same as a hand is capable of making a fist. JS

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#365960 - 07/14/11 09:17 AM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: jls]
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Not to redirect the thread, but with bill clinton there was a string of women. Remember the lawsuit from paula jones that clinton committed perjury in over monica. It involved a campaign worker he invited into a hotel room. Another couple of women accused him of rape while he was arkansas atty general. Regardless of your political positions there is a lot of snoke in clintons closet onsexual abuse of women. The point is it is standard to "blame the victim" in rape cases and is especially furious when the defendant is rich and famous with a well funded defense team.



Edited by catfish86 (07/14/11 09:22 AM)
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#365999 - 07/14/11 10:34 PM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: catfish86]
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Some of these powerful men are sexual addicts. They probably never get apprehended because of their status. This would apply to some of our perpetrators.

Allen


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#366005 - 07/15/11 12:27 AM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: pufferfish]
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Obviously all abuse is an abuse of power, as in they wouldn't do it if they thought they couldn't get away with it. I would also add that lack of accountability contributes greatly to the abuse of power, and by that I include the people surrounding the perpetrator. You see it in politics, the police force, the military, the Catholic church, and of course the family, where such institutions often operate according to their own "code" and there is a culture of not turning in one of your own. When a perpetrator is so powerful that the only people he's surrounded by are subordinates not allowed or inclined to challenge him its even worse. While I believe strongly that such abusers of power need to be held accountable for their deeds, I feel just as strongly that the culture of deference to power without question needs to change dramatically if we are going to have an effect on preventing sexual assault/abuse. JS

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#366008 - 07/15/11 01:00 AM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: jls]
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My abusers were powerful people. That's what they wanted me to believe. But in real life they were apparently successful. The one who engineered the kiddie porn of me and the other boys was a famous cartoonist. I can't give the name yet. The other one who abused me sadistically and with brain-washing techniques when I was 12 went on to become very important in the MK Ultra stuff. Again I can't mention the name. If I did, history books would have to be re-written. Am I right about this? Am I expendable like the maid abused by Strauss-Kahn?

Allen


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#366026 - 07/15/11 12:28 PM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: pufferfish]
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You are no more expendable than I am. Sometimes I feel that way but that's a matter of self-perception which stems from experiencing abuse, which I am working on. The fact that I am still here to work on it speaks to my resiliance as a survivor, which I am learning to be proud of, as you should be too.

I will say though that powerful perpetrators like you mentioned do view their victims as expendable. I see it as a form of psychopathy, where despite their power they lack the ability to form normal human connections or to see other human beings as anything other than objects to use. Therefore the problem is not us, its them. While I resent that I have to live with the after effects of what my perp did to me I am learning to keep some balance by reminding myself everyday that I am a good person, which obviously not everyone in this world can honestly say about themselves. Just some thoughts for today. JS

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#366029 - 07/15/11 03:11 PM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: jls]
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Does it sound as though I'm constructing a facade to say that I had 2 famous (or infamous) perpetrators? Am I making a self-aggrandizing position for myself?

Allen

p.s. The 2nd perp was a figure in the book/movie: Men Who Stare At Goats. I shouldn't say more or he might try to "stare me down" remotely. frown sick eek







Edited by pufferfish (07/15/11 03:24 PM)

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#366049 - 07/16/11 12:30 AM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: pufferfish]
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"Does it sound as though I'm constructing a facade to say that I had 2 famous (or infamous) perpetrators? Am I making a self-aggrandizing position for myself?"

Not at all. One of the things I constantly struggle with is coming to understand the awful truth about my abuse due to minimizing, comparing etc so I admire you for simply telling it like it is. JS



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#368714 - 08/23/11 12:25 AM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: jls]
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Originally Posted By: jls
Do people here think he's guilty of sexually assaulting that hotel maid? As it stands she's been proven to be dishonest in her dealings with other matters but does this mean she's lying about sexual assault? We can ask why would she lie about that but its a fact that some people have. On top of this there's another accuser claiming that he atempted to rape her in 2003. Given the increase in allegations is this an example of where there's smoke there's fire? Perhaps its hard to say. There's another element to all this and it's that up until the first accusation was made Strauss-Kahn was expected to be a serious contender for the French presidency. Is it possible that there are political motivations at play here? I honestly don't know the answers to any of my questions. Just pondering is all. JS


OK Maybe by now you all know what happened. He got off. Scott-free. How? Defamation of the accuser. How much money did it cost? We'll probably never know.


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#368767 - 08/23/11 06:22 PM Re: Dominique Strauss-Kahn Case [Re: pufferfish]
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It happened again. Someone got paid off in addition to the mudslinging etc.

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