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#361076 - 04/29/11 10:49 PM Pigs being Pigs? or something else???
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I have hesitated to post this for a few days as i am trying to learn greater constraint. After a few days of review and thought...plus some PMs with well-trusted others, I've decided to publisise this.

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I'm walking out of group therapy. I get into my car and BANG!...I got two under-cover cops on me, ordering me out of the car. I think, "what a great opportunity to end this shit" but I gotta get out of the car first. They stand back a good distance with hands on guns. Too far away to begin a struggle for the hardware or snap some necks. Now I'm feeling entrapped just like back then. They want to see my hands (JUST like the way they grabbed my handle bar of my bike once). I ask for probable cause (just like asking "WHY are you gonna do this to me").

Keep in mind I was thrown from my house 2 years ago, at tazzer point by complete surprise as I was taking a shower. Why? Cuz my wife's lawyer is a phyco-whore who ensured the sheriffs I would put up a deadly gun-fight.

So back to present-day...These cops say they "watched me walk into the building and they thought they saw a gun in my back waist-band." They CLAIM they thought the building was a day-care....a FUCKING DAY CARE!!! They made NO effort to enter the supposed DAY CARE to ensure the safety of the children!!!! I asked how long they've been in Manchester? YEARS of course. It was their fucking neighborhood to patrol. They were sitting accross the street from the building for an HOUR staring right at the sign that say what it IS - a Therapy Center!!! They thought I was carrying a gun into a fucking DAY CARE!!!!

They said they know I have a gun permit. I said yes...so since when has THAT been illegal? We just want to be sure you were'nt carrying a gun into a DAY CARE~!~

Fellow group member walks out of the building...I try to act "normal" so he does not see that I truly AM the world's worst freak. He glances at me with a puzzled look. I thought for a moment that he could take the one closer to him.

I challenged them to search me and the car. They said NO...we believe you. Yer suspecting I'm carrying a GUN INTO a DAY CARE and you don't wanna search for the FUCKING GUN??? They already knew who I am/was...that I am a permit carrier (but I never ever carry...being a fuck-tard and all)

I start dissing-out. In full fucking panic mode now. So what do I do? I freeze. How fucking brave of ME! I fucking freeze just when I'm finally thinking that THIS SHIT is not gonna happen to me anymore.

The pussydom remains alive and well for yet another day. More fucking thugs! That's what your planet needs, more fucking thugs!

I don't even know how I got home!! I truly don't even knnow what brought this attack on!!! FUCK THIS PLANET!!!




Edited by Robbie Brown (04/30/11 02:17 PM)
Edit Reason: for stupid comment
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#361109 - 04/30/11 02:03 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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WOW! , Fascinating Sorry you had to go through all that Robbie.

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#361120 - 04/30/11 05:37 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Sterling]
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PIGs are PIGs. Its not Pride Intelligence and Guts, it Power, Intimidation and Greed. They do not serve and protect as the propaganda says its Harass and Humiliate.

Police exist simply to enforce the “WORDS” of politicians that we call “LAWS”. You latterly have to lie, to get elected. Politicians have been proven to be liars and thieves on more than one occasion. Police officers exist to ENFORCE THE WORDS OF THIEVES AND LIERS. And if you think that they are there to serve and protect I don’t know propaganda you have been listening to.

In the small town where I grew up they exist to serve the mayor, and if you aren’t the mayors laky, you don’t get the job. I have reason to believe that my case was not fully investigated because the Mayors Daughter was also involved and likely abused… We can’t let that get out and damage his reputation. The Mayors Daughter, who used to be the Principal, who taught the magruff program.a program designed to teach and protect children from this. “ Again, Police officers exist to ENFORCE THE WORDS OF THIEVES AND LIERS. Why do think so many people hate them?

Don’t get me wrong, a few officers are in it for the right reasons. However they don’t last long. Those who desire to serve and protect can’t handle the fact that less than 1% of real crimes get prosecuted. As a matter of fact most those who are in it for the right reasons don’t finish classes where they learn the “Politicians Words” that we call Laws. They drop out and become Fire Fighters instead. That leaves mostly those who are there for the Power, Intimidation and Greed.


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#361124 - 04/30/11 06:17 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Napoleon]
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well i dont think its as bad and black/white as napoleon wants us to believe but..
those cops that stopped you werent the brightest ones in the world thats for sure...
sorry you had to go trough all that

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#361125 - 04/30/11 06:23 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Drop]
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Why would anyone want a job: 1 where most people hates them just for your profesion, 2 doesn't pay well, 3 you have high risk of getting killed, and 4 you have follow al list of rules (called laws) that are larger than a set of encyclopedias?

O, ya the job benefits. Power, Intimidation, and Greed.

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#361136 - 04/30/11 09:47 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Napoleon]
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I was a reserve cop for two years Napoleon. I left that work in the rear-view for exactly what you state here.

The last straw was when I called for a prisoner pick-up for a kid who was my age and drunk off his ass every day of his life. I only wanted to put him in protective custody for the night cuz he liked to hurt himself out in the wild.

The cruiser that showed-up was driven by officer X. Officer X was a sadistic (SADISTIC) mutha-fuckah. He TOO was drunk. He told me to put the kid in the front seat of the car. I questionsed that. he assured me of a certain beating if I did not comply. I sat him in the front seat and the cruiser took off before I could secure his seatbelt. I rushed to the station to meet them. I was not at all surprised when they did not show up for an additional 15 minutes. My protective custody kid was a bloody-beaten-mess. Officer X beat this kid while he was wering MY handcuffs! He was MY classmate. Officer X was a fucking psychotic bully. I left that career that night (went into puters from there).

NEVER EVER trust a cop.

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#361140 - 04/30/11 10:34 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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Like I said its not that there are not good cops, It just that they don't last long.

I have many friends who where cops, or in the police academy at some point. I have no friends that where cops more than 8 years. Only one lasted more than 4 you should here his stories. Most good cops last 2-4 years that is in line with you are saying. All left for similar reasons.

They joined to serve and protect, but that is not what a cops job is.

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#361144 - 04/30/11 11:02 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Napoleon]
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I would hope they are not all as described here. A friend of mine on here is a cop. I wonder if he considers it a pretty thankless job.

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#361161 - 05/01/11 10:01 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: FormerTexan]
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On the flip side:
As an adult male survivor of sexual child abuse, I have been invited to the Police Academy on 4 occasions so far. My purpose? I go there as 'duty victim/survivor' so that they get to hear first hand what daily life has been like for us. I get to describe my 'normal' childhood - innocence terminated by a paedophile at aged 9.
These career detective officers are on an intensive 4 week course - learning the intricacies of investigating sexual offenses and child abuse.
I allow them to quiz me in detail about the grooming process; how the silence was maintained; what things they should look out for when entering an alleged perp's house.
I make the time to tell them that it is normal for guys to report sexual child abuse when they are in their 40s but when that guy is standing in front of them they need to respond with all the sensitivity as if it were a 10 year boy in front of them trying to tell them that they had just been raped but don't have the words to be able to describe it.
I make the point that over 40% of us are not able to hold down a full time job while we are going through our acute phase of recovery and that their response - done well - can help to get us back into the tax-paying workforce much quicker than done poorly.
I acknowledge that they have a difficult job; investigating crimes that are often decades old and that the chances of success at putting the perps away is low - but that doesn't mean that we shouldn't try. Why? Most perps carry on until they physically can't any more. If I am a victim, there are likely others. If 'he' is still alive then others are probably copping more of what had to go through.
Talking to them one on one afterwards, I again press home my point that it is a matter of personal choice for them (and each of their colleagues): they choose to be part of the solution or to remain part of the problem.
Why do I put myself through this? 'My' perp is dead; no earthly justice for me. So what can I do?
Each group I have spoken to has had about 25 officers. If just one of them from each group remembers how to respond to a first report of historical sexual child abuse just once in their career then - for me - it will have been worth it.
Robbie - don't get me wrong. From what you say, you were treated atrociously and their bad behaviour should be called to account. For me, I would like to use the different tack remembering the age old saying "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing".

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#361177 - 05/01/11 03:29 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: expom]
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Expom,

I commend you (very highly) on your work with the police. As I read your account, I shutter to think what judgements are going through their skulls and not being revealed (as detectives have great poker-faces).

Its interesting Expom. I've offered a lot to many "Christian" groups and churches. It is ultra clear around here (New England) that our clergy, pastors et al, have NO knowledge and/or ability to handle the discovery they stumble upon or disclosures brought to them. Its a very real problem here. The majority of the stories I hear around here is that the pastors excell at sweeping the news under the rug no matter who the offender is. Their councel to the victim and/or the parents: "The best thing you can do is try to forget it all and get on with your life."

Rather than allow my head to explode all over them and the town, I've offered very open (but limited to clergy only) discussions on more effective handling of these cases. I don't even get a reply to any emails. They all wanted to hear from me when I was flush with cash and worldly success. They all wanted to me to speak at men's groups. Not any more.

I've offered sit-downs and lecture to police groups here as well. As we say in business, "when the phone don't ring, you know its me."

Nothing is gonna change in the overall agregate. I'm seeing that clearly...regardless of my hopes and desires. Human nature cannot EVER E V E R be changed. There will always be target-children in social issolation and there will always be deviant, self-centerd fuck-heads. Can you tell I've lost all faith in humanity? In fact, the Holy Bible makes it clear, there is only one entity we can have faith in.

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#361183 - 05/01/11 04:24 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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Why am I dreading returning to group on Tuesday? What do I do to prepare? How do I risk encountering these two thugs again? How do I show my face in group after being singled-out of the herd for a hyena chase-down?

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#361217 - 05/01/11 11:07 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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I would suggest you fight back, perpetrators and thugs of all kinds often find a weaker target when you fight back.

You have nothing to be embarrassed about in group, you should find support there. Make sure they all know about what happened leave no room for embarrassment. You where apprehensive about posting here, did you not find support? While you may be apprehensive about sharing this at group, I think that you are going to find similar experience.
As a victim we have a habit of lying down and not fighting back. We where victimized, and when we fought back we were victimized worse. Are abusers took away our self determination, and this sets us up for victimization our entire life, we have to learn to fight back. We are not kids anymore, even though sometimes we might fell like one. You opened your post with “I have hesitated to post this”. Far from being embarrassed you should share your experience at group. Far from explaining what happened to the person who witnessed this, I would ask him to right up a statement about what he saw, and ask if he would testify in court, his willingness to testify gives you support to fight back.

This site is very much like the real world. You are going to find that for every one person who adamantly defends the cops actions just because they are cops several will stand by you. Bully have other victims, Bullies on the play ground know that even though they may have more power, we outnumber them. While some may blame victims for “doing nothing” and place blame on the victim saying things like “good people do nothing.”.

Call internal affairs, there is someone with internal affairs somewhere. They may not care if local, just part of the buddy system. Try to get someone from out of town, someone who reports at the next level of government up. Upper government is always trying to flaunt their power over lower government... get a bigger bully on your side. There is the possibility that the cops are just doing there jobs, based on false statements from you wife / attorney. But it sounds like they went to far.

Write a letter to the news. Nothing like public embarrassment. If your wife filed a false police statement, make sure the PIGs know that, turn their Power and Intimidation to her. If your wife’s attorney filed a false report, in most countries there is process of filing reports with a board overlooking attorneys, and such. I have filed complaints against police officers in the past. I even took on a judge just to be told after a month of investigation that it would be too hard to prove. It usually goes no where, but just like the bully in school they most often go away when you stand up to them.

When I first started fighting back, I didn’t know limits. I am rather bold when pushed to the wall, on two occasions I walked thorough a company’s store with a megaphone telling everyone why they shouldn’t shop there. They never called the cops because even though I crossed the line, they were in the wrong, they knew it. If your wife got burned every time she filed false police report, if you filed a counter claim of false report. If you filed police reports every time she crossed the line.

Use the fact they falsely “harsed you” and file a lawsuit. Bring their actions to light to the teacher; in this case it’s the head politician’s rules enforcer, (the judge). You are dealing with the police so far from being less options, there is more. Don’t look at what happened with your therapy as a bad thing, you have a witness now, not your word against theirs. Ask him to file a police report. I am not an attorney, but I love using self represented lawsuits to pull people into court, its only 25 dollars to file here. It usually costs them thousands if they win. Its rather a loose-loose situation for them, and a win-win for me. Bullies don’t like it when you stand up to them.

I remember a kid asking me why a certain kid picked on me. I thought about it for a while and then told him that it was because I would not give him my fries at lunch. The kid the picked on me was fat, he found it embarrassing, while he did make up something to get even, he never harassed me again. Guess what if you had told the right people as a kid, the abuse would have stopped, even if for a short period it got worse. Bullies don’t like people who stand up to them.

Fight back, you are not alone you don’t need to stand alone, there are people like us everywhere, look for them. Ask a friend to walk you to your car, I think they acted different, refusing to search you or car with witnesses present.

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#361223 - 05/01/11 11:44 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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Napoleon,

I think I need to talk to the T first. He's rooted in the city and now owns a significant presence there as well. His business does SO much for SO many people. I would not want to jeopardize all the good done there. I guess, its a lot like when we protect our family unit as kids by not disclosing.

There's no reason I can't suck it up and ignore the bastards. Beyond bringing trouble to the therapy center, I would also be making myself vulnerable to the backlash of the sick underworld the PIGs maintain. I don't know...I absolutely hate that this even happened. I still don't know why it happened. I almost wonder if they were trolling for easy offenders or something??? I don't know...but they are barking up the wrong tree for that.

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#361226 - 05/01/11 11:56 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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What he has done for the city? I think I have been told this before: Its not about him, its about you. And its not your fault. Its not your job to just take it… suck it up…

What he has done for whom ever does not give the right to do to you. He has done what ever to get what he wants. Those business you describe, do you really think they are for the city, or do you think they are to put money in his pocket? Even what you think is for others, is really just a selfish act. What he has done to you, he will do to others.

I suppose I am just at a point in my life now, where It can’t get worse for me… and I do act rash. stand up for yourself. I still remeber when I started standing up for myself and took BEST BUY to court for riping me off, and then walking through their store with a megaphone, now thats funny.

Talking to your T first, that is a good Idea.


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#361228 - 05/02/11 12:06 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Napoleon]
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Its the T that I'm concerned with. Sorry for the confusion. His business (being the therapy center), is what I'm concerned with. I would not want to bring the wrath of the PIGs or negative press anywhere near the T Center. It plays a VERY special role in the area.

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#361229 - 05/02/11 12:09 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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Ok, so here is my question, did you bring it on the center, or did the police?

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#361232 - 05/02/11 12:24 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Napoleon]
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The police. They were sitting accross from the center when I arrived...staring right at the center. They showed back up in a flurry as I was getting in my car after group.

They are definetly after something, given the BS about thinking I was walking into a Day Care with a gun.

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#361234 - 05/02/11 12:26 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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That's ugly. I'm sorry you had to go through that.

They should be protecting and respecting you, not threatening you at gunpoint after your therapy session. That is totally disrespectful.

I would file a complaint.


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#361235 - 05/02/11 12:29 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: risingagain]
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Also, the police are often poorly equipped to heal from their own trauma after dealing with so much crime on a daily basis. They deserve our compassion and respect for the service they do.

(Yeah, I've been fucked up by a few cops too- at gunpoint- so I know a bit about that).

You are rightfully angry, but you're not likely to get anywhere if you lash out at the cops.

In fact, you might just fuck up your healing. Royally.


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#361262 - 05/02/11 09:56 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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Robbie I agree with you that it is a difficult process. But I also believe that we are coming into a period of history that will be 'our time'. There is a growing groundswell of men - like you and me - who have had to endure what no human child should have to endure that are starting to say "I will be heard".

Nearly 2 years ago - whilst I was watching my wife wither in front of my eyes because her soul was being tortured by not knowing how she could help me in my recovery process - I realised that there were no services here in this part of Australia that were designed to help couples in our situation to find new ways of dealing with life so that there was a greater chance of us staying together.

We approached my counselor; we wrote out a proposal for a day long couple's workshop. He took it to his boss who agreed to fund it as long as we found at least 5 couples. We did. The event went ahead with good success. We wrote up that workshop and submitted it to the Male survivor conference - it was accepted. It was the first presentation ever to be fronted by an adult male survivor of sexual child abuse, his spouse and his counsellor.

Our Pastor allowed us to use the church facilities and ensured that all the other church users knew that we had EXCLUSIVE use of the church for the day - guaranteed no interruptions.

After the New York conference our Pastor interviewed my wife and I in church one Sunday morning for about 10 minutes. Since then I have had 5 adult male church members come to me privately and tell me that they too had been abused whilst boys and that I was the on of the first they had told about it.

On the opening page of the MS website there is a new ad on the featured documentaries section. "Back on Track" is one of the projects that I have been heavily involved in. If you get chance to down load it from the SECASA website, I am ADen in the doco.

At the launch of the documentary 16 members of my church congregation came to support it. Some of them bought their own copies and are passing them round.

I agree with you, brother, that human nature is never going to change but individuals do change - one at a time. As>
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#361327 - 05/03/11 08:44 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: expom]
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I did not find out until last night (May 2) that two uniformed cops did in fact enter the Therapy Center to see if all was well. That at least makes me feel better in that they were not just manufacturing a BS reason to harrass me.

I don't think I jumped the gun on the post as it took 6-days to find this out, but all my suspissions are invalid about this incedent.


My appologies to all.

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#361336 - 05/03/11 10:56 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: expom]
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Thank you, friend in Australia.

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#361413 - 05/04/11 02:19 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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Just to make sure I understand you correctly, they came in to the therapy center, and then jumped you about a "day care" when you exited?

I just thought that you made it pretty clear that they said “day care”, if they had been inside that sounds pretty manufactured reason to me.
Was "Day Care" a misunderstanding?

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#361417 - 05/04/11 05:58 AM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Napoleon]
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They went into the Center during my group, confirmed it is a therapy center yet still confronted me outside, the moment I exited.

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#361445 - 05/04/11 02:15 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: Still]
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Robbie, I have got to tell you that reading your posts is a wonderful experience, always. I DECLARE YOU ALIVE AND WELL!! To all the fine folks in New England, holster your arms, as this MAN will talk you to death, screw the gun......................

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#361517 - 05/05/11 10:41 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: freddie]
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One of the signs that we still have civilization here is that a lot of police in a lot of places are still good guys. When police become corrupt then it gives me an ugly feeling. There are many countries in the world where the police are corrupt. Just follow the news. When that happens then civilization as we know it takes a tumble.

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#361764 - 05/09/11 04:44 PM Re: Pigs being Pigs? or something else??? [Re: pufferfish]
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I disagree. When the police become corrupt they are replaced by the government who they represent, unless of course the government is corrupt then the police become reflective of that. Do not confuse a corrupt police force with a corrupt government.

You say look at the news, are the police men now being arrested for participation in the murders in Mexico a sign of a corrupt government? Or are they a sign of the previous government’s corruption, and the current government’s decision to stamp out corruption? A non-corrupt government will simply replace and regulate a corrupt police force to correct it. You say look at the news, is there any signs of corrupt police causing the issues you talk of, or is it corrupt governments? The police represent the government so its really easy to say look at the corrupt police when the government is corrupt…

The personality type that is willing to do police work will not change regardless...

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“Your only limit within reason, is the one that you set up in your own mind.” Napoleon Hill, The Law of Success, 1925.

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