Newest Members
The Wife Of, smusab, whiteflag, North101, JCEldrid
12286 Registered Users
Today's Birthdays
DruidWolf (39), Harry (33), knigh50 (53), mike54 (56)
Who's Online
3 registered (3 invisible), 24 Guests and 4 Spiders online.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Forum Stats
12286 Members
73 Forums
63203 Topics
441945 Posts

Max Online: 418 @ 07/02/12 07:29 AM
Twitter
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >
Topic Options
#358928 - 04/07/11 07:34 PM Late Onset of Puberty
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6371
Loc: 2.5 NATO Nations
Could the very, very active sexual abuse activity ans subsequeent very very active acting-out have caused the late onset of puberty that I experienced (15.5 yo)?

_________________________
Jesus Loves The Hell Outta Me!

Still's Globs

New Video

Top
#358942 - 04/07/11 10:20 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
TJ jeff Offline
Moderator
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 3362
Loc: Northern Wisconsin
I've got to admit that I've wondered that myself from time to time Robbie - don't know the answer though...

_________________________
Who will cry for the little boy? - I will... - Antwone Fisher

Abuse happens in silence/isolation - Recovery happens only when that silence/isolation is broken...

TJ's History

Top
#358961 - 04/08/11 01:31 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: TJ jeff]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6816
Loc: USA
I've also wondered about this matter.

In my case puberty didn't ensue until 14 1/2 years of age, which was kind of late. But boys in those days all matured later than boys today.

Not only did I reach puberty later than a lot of my peers, but even the eruption of my teeth was slowed or stopped. Tooth eruption is almost a standard indication of chronological age. The baby teeth are lost and the new adult teeth erupt in their place. My cuspid teeth (the ones with the point) failed to erupt as normal and the baby cuspid teeth had to be surgically removed. They would normally come in at about 12 years of age, the age at which I received horrific abuse.

http://www.secretofthieves.com/tooth-chart/tooth-chart-eruption.pdf

I think I was also a bit shorter than many of my peers of the same age.

Allen





Edited by pufferfish (04/08/11 03:13 PM)
Edit Reason: clarification of tooth eruption

Top
#358981 - 04/08/11 07:42 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: pufferfish]
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6371
Loc: 2.5 NATO Nations
OK...this may be an issue, because a LOT of survivors report the same thing.

The scary part is that late-onset keeps the targeted victim attractive to the pervs.

_________________________
Jesus Loves The Hell Outta Me!

Still's Globs

New Video

Top
#359051 - 04/08/11 09:49 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
WalkingSouth Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 08/30/05
Posts: 16264
This may tip the scale the other way a bit but I wondered as a kid if the abuse me to experience an earlier than usual onset of puberty...

_________________________
“Life’s journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, totally worn out, shouting ‘Holy ____…! What a ride!’” ~Hunter S. Thompson

Top
#359059 - 04/08/11 10:49 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: WalkingSouth]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6816
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: WalkingSouth
This may tip the scale the other way a bit but I wondered as a kid if the abuse me to experience an earlier than usual onset of puberty...


That's why it's so puzzling. I've talked this subject over with my T and he says that abuse often causes earlier sexual maturation.

In either case it means that abuse not only messes with our brain but with our glandular (endocrine) system. (I have posted on effects on the brain previously, citing a scientific article).

However, if it either speeds up or slows down sexual maturation, either way, that means that the abuse messes with our endocrine system (our glands). Not just our sex glands and associated glands, but it must mess with the pituitary gland (hypophysis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituitary_gland

Allen


Top
#359060 - 04/08/11 10:53 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: WalkingSouth]
TJ jeff Offline
Moderator
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 08/07/04
Posts: 3362
Loc: Northern Wisconsin
Quote:
The scary part is that late-onset keeps the targeted victim attractive to the pervs.


I hear ya there Robbie... - I was very late to have any hair or size growth down there - a fact that my uncle made sure to mention regularly (heck, kids in the gym showers teased me about it too)

_________________________
Who will cry for the little boy? - I will... - Antwone Fisher

Abuse happens in silence/isolation - Recovery happens only when that silence/isolation is broken...

TJ's History

Top
#359061 - 04/08/11 10:59 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: TJ jeff]
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6371
Loc: 2.5 NATO Nations
Yeah...such a thing does not go un-noticed anywhere. It clearly got around to everyone in my high school that I was the last one. Real fun when they already call you "fagboy."

_________________________
Jesus Loves The Hell Outta Me!

Still's Globs

New Video

Top
#359068 - 04/08/11 11:58 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
Charlie24 Offline


Registered: 09/28/08
Posts: 562
For me puberty development involved oversexualized thoughts running through my head constantly. I still have OCD sexual thoughts. I know that is part of my problem and really does inhibit my recovery. I realize when I am around other guys, not all guys that I get these urges or feelings or thoughts that I need to be sexual with them. I guess my brain synapses have developed this shit. Now I need to unbreak these and figure out what it is I really want sexually.

God all these memories you guys are sharing, your writing the shit from my book as well. So fucked up, really fucked up.

Charlie.


Top
#359072 - 04/09/11 01:04 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6816
Loc: USA
OK - There is an excellent article on PTSD in Wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PTSD

It says:

Originally Posted By: Wikipedia on PTSD

most people with PTSD also show a low secretion of cortisol and high secretion of catecholamines in urine, with a norepinephrine/cortisol ratio consequently higher than comparable non-diagnosed individuals.[19] This is in contrast to the normative fight-or-flight response, in which both catecholamine and cortisol levels are elevated after exposure to a stressor.[20]

Brain catecholamine levels are low,[21] and corticotropin-releasing factor (CRF) concentrations are high.[22][23] Together, these findings suggest abnormality in the hypothalamic-pituitary-adrenal (HPA) axis.

Given the strong cortisol suppression to dexamethasone in PTSD, HPA axis abnormalities are likely predicated on strong negative feedback inhibition of cortisol, itself likely due to an increased sensitivity of glucocorticoid receptors.[24] Some researchers have associated the response to stress in PTSD with long-term exposure to high levels of norepinephrine and low levels of cortisol, a pattern associated with improved learning in animals


So what this means in plain English is, YES, abuse does affect the function of the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland is the master control gland in the body. It secretes, among other things, Growth Hormone. So messing with it would affect the rate of development.

Allen


Top
#359073 - 04/09/11 01:15 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: pufferfish]
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6371
Loc: 2.5 NATO Nations
Originally Posted By: pufferfish
So what this means in plain English is, YES, abuse does affect the function of the pituitary gland. The pituitary gland is the master control gland in the body. It secretes, among other things, Growth Hormone. So messing with it would affect the rate of development.


Oh grand! I knew it! I knew it! I knew it!

I was delayed till 15.5 yet I was a horny-horror from 8-on. I was having very intense wet dreams from 8-on too.
Compulsive MB from 8-on.

So they made into a true freakazoid.

_________________________
Jesus Loves The Hell Outta Me!

Still's Globs

New Video

Top
#359076 - 04/09/11 01:23 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6816
Loc: USA
Robbie,

Your symptoms were a lot like mine. You are not alone. There are lots of guys here in MS who have experienced similar symptoms. I hope it lends comfort to you to know this.

Yes, it is too bad that what we endured had to actually affect how our mind and endocrine system worked.

Many of our symptoms were (are) related to PTSD. The symptoms you describe are related to PTSD effects. There is a really good article on PTSD in Wikipedia. We as survivors will reap benefits from the traumas experienced by military men. They are actively studying it.

Allen


Top
#359078 - 04/09/11 01:48 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: pufferfish]
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6371
Loc: 2.5 NATO Nations
I too read that in wiki...how it affects the Pit Gland and what the Pit Gland does in development. I read it and did not want to believe it. I've had three Ts and one psychiatrist whom have all described want happens to the traumatized brain. I would have been better off eating lead-chips.

_________________________
Jesus Loves The Hell Outta Me!

Still's Globs

New Video

Top
#359156 - 04/09/11 06:30 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
Fissy Tsickens Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 09/23/08
Posts: 466
Loc: Bassett, Virginia
Interesting thread. All my brothers matured at an earlier age than me (15.5, too). They all, even now, have more body and facial hair than I do. This contributed to lots more insecurity and self-doubt. This is very interesting to me.

Peace,

John

_________________________
Wish that I could cry
Fall upon my knees
Find a way to lie
About a home I’ll never see

It may sound absurd...but don’t be naive
Even heroes have the right to bleed
I may be disturbed...but won’t you concede
Even heroes have the right to dream
It’s not easy to be me

Top
#369988 - 09/12/11 06:54 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Fissy Tsickens]
MrEdd Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 01/24/03
Posts: 317
Loc: Texas
Just noticed this thread.

I weighed 56 lbs when I started highschool.



68 lbs as a sophomore.


For scale, my mom is a tiny bit under five feet tall.

My testicles didn't drop and I never sprouted a pubic hair until after I turned 17 (the summer after my junior year). I had assumed this was primarily because of having my testicles bitten or crushed much of the time my CSA was going on (3 months after I turned 4 to 1 month before my 11th birthday) and to the asphyxiation from the ones who were into that.

~ Ed ~



Edited by MrEdd (09/12/11 07:06 PM)
_________________________
Some Things are not problems to be solved, rather, they are facts which must be coped with over time.

Top
#380326 - 12/21/11 04:58 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Charlie24]
Dexter Offline


Registered: 05/29/11
Posts: 43
Loc: NJ, USA
Same here. Why is it that every male,I meer, I feel they expect me to blow them?


Top
#427468 - 03/08/13 10:24 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
MrEdd Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 01/24/03
Posts: 317
Loc: Texas
I read a manga recently that reminded me of this thread frown

The Friendly Winter

Sort of wistful yet hopeful.
_________________________
Some Things are not problems to be solved, rather, they are facts which must be coped with over time.

Top
#427480 - 03/08/13 12:02 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Dexter]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6816
Loc: USA
Quote:
Why is it that every male,I meet, I feel they expect me to blow them?


This is PTSD. You can be helped a lot with this by discussing it with a good therapist.

The military has made progress in learning how to help a guy who has returned from a war-zone with PTSD. His PTSD might consist of mentally re-enacting a the trauma of being in a military vehicle and driving over a mine. Maybe he sees things that register on his brain as strong trauma. He relives it over and over.

The same kind of process happens to us who are victims of sexual trauma. It gets "stamped" in our brain and we relive it over and over. We "read" it into the actions of others. When we are in situations that suggest our original trauma, then it triggers the whole sequence of emotions over and over again. We want it to stop but we often need outside help.

I'm waiting for the knowledge gained from the military studies to be transferred to helping those who acquired PTSD from sexual trauma.

Puffer

Top
#427663 - 03/10/13 04:32 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: pufferfish]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6816
Loc: USA
By the time I started high school, I was about 1 year into puberty. We were all required to take "gym". It was good for us. A lot of the time we just ran around the track. We tried rope climbing and touch football, etc. Afterward, however, we were expected to go through the shower. There were boys of all developmental stages going through the shower. A few had not hit puberty yet. And then there were some who had a great deal of hair. One guy was engaged to get married. He was highly developed ! wink

Puffer


Top
#431713 - 04/18/13 11:36 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
Still Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/16/07
Posts: 6371
Loc: 2.5 NATO Nations
saw the MD...PCP...NAACP, RSVP, PhD today. We were there to review the parameters of the "life" end of the life-death continuum.

The nermal range of Testosterone is like 250-1100 by some Richter Scale.

After three munths of AndroginousGel treatment, I'm way up to 299 units of measure.

Even with a shitty little increase from 211 to 299 am having "issues."

Go ahead Doc...say the words...some people born with dicks were meant to be girls. Still got a hot ass? No? Fuck! Had that once!

That's why I was picked though. I was as fem as one could look with one of those thingies tween the legs.

I could write in the snow though. Let's see a gerl do that!
_________________________
Jesus Loves The Hell Outta Me!

Still's Globs

New Video

Top
#431721 - 04/19/13 01:12 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6816
Loc: USA
Thank you for those responses.

I am convinced that early abuse of me had a strongly negative affect on my hormones, etc.

I am getting a shot of testosterone (testosterone cypionate) once per month. It seems somewhat short of satisfactory. For the week after the shot I go through puberty again (this is an exaggeration but not much). Then by the time of the next shot I've returned to senility (again I'm exaggerating).

But I've noticed a positive and beneficial effect. Before the shots, my skin was developing little skin wrinkles as my body used it's own muscle mass. Now that has stopped and the muscle mass has apprently stopped decreasting.

I continue with the thyroid pills everyday (levothyroxine). It is slow and laborious but I think it is turning the situation around.

I never did have a lot of body hair except scalp hair. My arms have less than when I was in high school.

Puffer

http://www.drugs.com/pro/testosterone-cypionate.html


Edited by pufferfish (04/19/13 01:18 AM)

Top
#431783 - 04/19/13 05:22 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: Still]
SoccerStar Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 10/15/12
Posts: 915
Loc: New York
This was noticed in writings from Ancient Rome, where the slave boys that got used that way the most would usually turn out to be the last to grow facial / body hair.
_________________________
My story

"Don't think it hasn't been a little slice of heaven just because it hasn't!" --Bugs Bunny

Top
#431788 - 04/19/13 05:58 PM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: SoccerStar]
pufferfish Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/26/08
Posts: 6816
Loc: USA
Originally Posted By: SoccerStar
This was noticed in writings from Ancient Rome, where the slave boys that got used that way the most would usually turn out to be the last to grow facial / body hair.


SS

That's extremely interesting. Do you have a reference on that?

signed, slave boy aka Puffer

Top
#432144 - 04/23/13 08:45 AM Re: Late Onset of Puberty [Re: pufferfish]
traveler Offline
Member
MaleSurvivor

Registered: 02/07/06
Posts: 3319
Loc: back in the USA
Originally Posted By: pufferfish
Originally Posted By: WalkingSouth
This may tip the scale the other way a bit but I wondered as a kid if the abuse me to experience an earlier than usual onset of puberty...


That's why it's so puzzling. I've talked this subject over with my T and he says that abuse often causes earlier sexual maturation.

In either case it means that abuse not only messes with our brain but with our glandular (endocrine) system. (I have posted on effects on the brain previously, citing a scientific article).

However, if it either speeds up or slows down sexual maturation, either way, that means that the abuse messes with our endocrine system (our glands). Not just our sex glands and associated glands, but it must mess with the pituitary gland (hypophysis).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pituitary_gland

Allen



i can't remember where i read it - but yes - i have seen articles that say that CSA can cause either extreme - later or earlier puberty. for me, it was much earlier - and that also attracted unwanted attention from the wrong people.

i don't think it is too surprising that it can cause both extremes - after all, it messes with the body's timing - which can go either way.

in the same way, the after-effects of CSA can include either hypersexuality - or sexual anorexia. again - both extremes. once the balance is upset - wild variations are not too surprising.

Lee
_________________________
We are often troubled, but not crushed;
sometimes in doubt, but never in despair;
there are many enemies, but we are never without a friend;
and though badly hurt at times, we are not destroyed.
- Paul, II Cor 4:8-9

Top
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 >


Moderator:  ModTeam 

I agree that my access and use of the MaleSurvivor discussion forums and chat room is subject to the terms of this Agreement. AND the sole discretion of MaleSurvivor.
I agree that my use of MaleSurvivor resources are AT-WILL, and that my posting privileges may be terminated at any time, and for any reason by MaleSurvivor.