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#357184 - 03/21/11 04:57 AM Homosexuality vs. SSA
TheBobcatAgain Offline
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Are homosexuality and same sex attraction the same thing?

This topic has probably been discussed before, and I have heard differing opinions on this subject, so I would like to ask this question again and invite your comments.

I kind of feel homosexuality and SSA are different, for three reasons:

1) In my experience, most homosexuals seem happy with their sexuality, whereas most guys with SSA seem unhappy in that aspect of their sexuality.
2) In my experience, SSA is usually inflicted on the victim. I don't know what prompts homosexuality in a person, but I've heard enough gays say that it wasn't inflicted on them.

I mention this because I have heard some survivors are so worried that they are "becoming gay" and won't be able to handle the social prejudice that they consider...bad solutions to end their pain. Which leads me to #3:

3) In my opinion, there is no "cure" for homosexuality (or heterosexuality). But maybe someday there will arise a cure for SSA? Something for our heterosexual brothers to hope for?

Does this make sense, or have I got it all wrong? I would appreciate any comments you care to share, my brothers.

Your loving brother,

Bobcat

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#357188 - 03/21/11 06:54 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: TheBobcatAgain]
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Interesting. I feel that each person is unique and if you're going to make a box to put someone in, it had better be a unique box. One size, or several sizes (gay, straight, bi, straight with ssa, etc) doesnt fit all. Certainly not me, anyway. I bet I could train my SSA away, but I feel like it's an important part of who I am so I plan to keep it for now.


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#357201 - 03/21/11 11:06 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: mac80]
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I posted this book in another part of the forum, but it really helped me reconcile my SSA:

Homosexuality and the Christian: A Guide for Parents, Pastors, and Friends

I agree with mac80 - I have stopped trying to label myself. I have decided I just "am".

But I can tell you that I always dreaded and regretted sexual experiences with other men - I think that's a big difference between the SSA and gay.

I also mixed SSA with my CSA which makes it so much more complicated. It's important to understand the origins of SSA - it helps me understand what I really want - just a closeness to another male, to be reconfirmed and to express my own "maleness".

It's not a "cure" - doubt that's possible. I think if I had some intimate, non-sexual relationships with other men it would come as close as possible to "curing" my SSA. I worry that's not possible for a man in his 30's.

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#357287 - 03/22/11 12:52 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: dbrannem]
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Thank you for your responses, guys!

I agree, dbrannem. One way to come close to "curing" SSA might be to have intimate, nonsexual relationships with other men.

What is intimate? In this case, I think an intimate relationship would involve patience, understanding, and acceptance, which in time could lead to implicit trust - a quality a lot of survivors have sadly lost due to betrayal.

Maybe what we need is a brother; another male we can implicitly trust with everything - our feelings, our money, our nudity, our secrets, our lives, etc. An offline brother we can be vulnerable to and know that he won't leave or betray us.

What do you guys think? Your help is appreciated. Thanks. smile

Your loving brother,

Bobcat

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#357318 - 03/22/11 09:26 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: TheBobcatAgain]
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With respect, I don't want to be cured, but aside from that word, I agree with you completely. My therapist started a men's group with me and five other guys for the simple reason that as he says, lack of male companioship in our society is "an epidemic." The thing that kind of sucks is that even in a room where everything is confidential and I have nothing to lose, I still haven't allowed myself to trust them, and I think they feel the same way, because we haven't talked about anything really serious.


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#357336 - 03/22/11 11:38 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: mac80]
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mac80,

I apologize for my use of the word "cured". I used it in quotes like that because I couldn't think of a better word at the time.

I think the men's group sounds interesting; maybe you just need to give it time? I'm thinking that maybe the six of you need to accept each other, be patient and understanding, before being able to trust each other. After all, real trust doesn't happen overnight - especially in the case of survivors who have been betrayed and had their ability to trust used against them. If your therapist is expecting you all to trust each other immediately, that might be asking too much.

I do agree with him that lack of male companionship is "an epidemic". Sometimes I wonder if that is why there are fewer support groups for males suffering from virtually anything, and why there are higher suicide rates for males.

Bobcat

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#357381 - 03/22/11 09:10 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: TheBobcatAgain]
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SSA is unwanted homosexuality

However, whilst gay people and therapists will tell you that you're in denial or just not accepting yourself for who you really are, the truth is that the arousal pattern is what is in the wrong, not the person's sense of self

They have acquired a homosexual arousal pattern (usually through abuse), whilst developing psychologically as a heterosexual



Edited by nonchalant (03/22/11 09:19 PM)

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#357410 - 03/23/11 06:35 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: nonchalant]
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OH. SO what do we call it when we accept it?

BTW. Our therapist expects nothing. He's a very wise man. It is I who am pushing myself. I like talking to you guys.


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#357413 - 03/23/11 06:44 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: nonchalant]
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I plead guilty of responding without reading back in the thread far enough. oops.


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#357423 - 03/23/11 08:59 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: mac80]
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To be honest, i don't like the term 'SSA' as it sounds too much like religious mumbo jumbo

It is essentially ego-dystonic homosexuality, in that the person feels heterosexual but is turned on by same-sex stimuli

Any attempt to embrace 'their homosexuality' will fail because psychologically they aren't homosexual. Events in their childhood has led to their sense of self and their arousal pattern not being the same


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#357541 - 03/24/11 09:23 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: nonchalant]
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Huh, I think I've got something else.


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#357553 - 03/24/11 10:46 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: mac80]
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In all respect, the term "ego-dystonic" sounds like psychological mumbo jumbo!

The "A" in SSA holds the key-what is he nature of the attraction: attraction to power (I was powerless in my csa); attraction to youthful innocence (I lost mine); attraction to confidence (I lacked belief in myself-my perps were elf confident); attraction to masculinity? (I was not a man- (my perps were athletes); attraction to domination (I wanted revenge And to have dominion over other males).

I also had abusive modeling of healthy sexuality from my mother-so my SSA fed a sense of loyalty to women in a twisted way.

Any term that illuminates is welcome- those that just put a label on things or cast ones own insecurities on another arent useful.



Edited by Mountainous Buck (03/24/11 11:46 AM)
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#357554 - 03/24/11 11:17 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Mountainous Buck]
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Originally Posted By: Mountainous Buck
In all respect, the term "ego-dystonic" sounds like psychological mumbo jumbo!

I agree with that. You have to have a PhD in psychology to understand it.

Your system could be set up like the response system in my local medical system
Originally Posted By: Mountainous Buck

The "A" in SSA holds the key-what is he nature of the attraction:

SSA-1 = to power (I was powerless in my csa);
SSA-2 = to youthful innocence (I lost mine);
SSA-3 = to confidence (I lacked belief in myself-my perps were elf confident);
SSA-4 = to masculinity? (I was not a man- (my perps were athletes);
SSA-5 = to domination (I wanted revenge
And to have dominion over other males).
SSA-6 = I also had abusive modeling of healthy sexuality from my mother-so my SSA fed a sense of loyalty to women in a twisted way.
SSA-9 = All of the above.

In my case this would make me: SSA - 1.2.3.4.6
But that's too unwieldy.
Since a lot of guys would be in this category, we could make it:
SSA - 69 grin


Originally Posted By: Mountainous Buck

Any term that enlightens is welcome- those that just put a label on things or cast ones own insecurities on another arent useful.


Allen





Edited by pufferfish (03/24/11 09:31 PM)

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#357566 - 03/24/11 01:23 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: pufferfish]
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Talking about 'SSA' to anyone other than fellow survivors will have you ridiculed and told to stop believing religious nonsense

Ego-dystonic homosexuality is an actual classification


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#357571 - 03/24/11 03:05 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: nonchalant]
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But it's a psychological classification nonetheless...

Wouldn't talking almost anything about survivor issues with non-survivors sound foreign?

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#357584 - 03/24/11 05:30 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Bradley P]
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Ego-dystonic refers to something that is not welcomed or comfortable in the individual. So, if you have same sex fantasies that make you uncomfortable or feel guilty, it would be considered ego-dystonic.

On the other hand, if you welcomed or enjoyed the fantasies without any guilt later, it would be ego-syntonic.

(Just some grad school psychobabble)

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#357604 - 03/24/11 09:29 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Bradley P]
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Originally Posted By: Bradley P

Wouldn't talking almost anything about survivor issues with non-survivors sound foreign?


This is the problem so many of us have in communicating our problem with non-survivors. We have to actually build a communication base with them before we can actually tell them anything. That's because they have so many misunderstandings to start with.

Allen


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#357614 - 03/24/11 11:04 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: nonchalant]
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I appreciate this discussion. For me, the definition of having an unusual and unwanted arousal pattern is the best de>
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#357634 - 03/25/11 07:32 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Dan99]
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Brace your self guys..i'm gay. Ooohhhh lol, just jokeing with you, i do that when i'm trying to break the tention. My names Tom and i'm an openly gay proud survior, that being said i want to thank bob for opening this conversation. I first got here and hear the term SSA, and was floored by it. Then the worest of the worest, some one accuesed me of haveing it. That my love, yes i say love, for another man is unwhoelsome, I got to admit, it made me very upset and angery. But over time listening to how my fellow straight brothers suffer with this, i decied to read and pay attention to what they say. From that i've learned not to be offended by it or how others might react to my being a homosexual. Why do you ask? Because it's about love, not about sex and attraction, that's what seperates it all. When i think about being with a man, i think of holding hands, nervous first kisses and embraces, well...that and the other stuff to..lol. But ultimately that's almost every gay man's goal, same as a straight man's, to make that connection with you lover, to find..the home you never knew you where missing, in the heart and arms of someone you never knew, but can't live with out. We all to quickly (belive it or not alot with surviors) to put ourselves in neat simple to understand catagories that make it easier for us to understand some one. But sexuality and attraction are ever changing shades of gray, does this mean i wouldn't freak out if i acutaly ended up falling in love with a woman, but in a world like this, you bet your bipy i would embrace it..evenutaly lol.

Love, Tom:

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#357643 - 03/25/11 10:03 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Ken Singer, LCSW]
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Ken-here is my surprise-
Why would this term "ego dystonic" have a definition hinged on the VALUE one ascribes to the feeling of attraction? Imposing value judgements is something I though modern psychology was done with.

Terms like "welcome" or "unwelcome" divert the real issue of the nature, cause, and ultimate resolution of said feelings and judges the person involved.

This is especially unhelpful for sa survivors - we have enough damage and wounding to work thru first without these categories that impart little understanding or pre>


Edited by Mountainous Buck (03/25/11 12:35 PM)
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#357746 - 03/26/11 04:32 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Mountainous Buck]
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All of this discussion-and the varied terms-are helpful for me. Being married to someone who is a CSA survivor with SSA is very, very confusing....
Sad


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#357880 - 03/28/11 12:04 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Bradley P]
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"To be honest, i don't like the term 'SSA' as it sounds too much like religious mumbo jumbo"

I disagree, but am open to a clinical term if there is one.

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#358276 - 04/01/11 08:55 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: FormerTexan]
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Well, it seems like abuse survivors come in all shapes and colors, and suffer from the same problem everyone else does and that is, we never rid ourselves completely from the childhood belief that everyone else is just like we are.

It seems there are straight people here, bisexual people and gay people and some people who have unwanted attractions which they don't feel are part of their natural orientation. I think we should all remember that even though we're here for each other, that doesn't mean we're all going through exactly the same thing.


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#358714 - 04/05/11 08:54 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: TheBobcatAgain]
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Right now, even as I write this, I want man here next to me. Someone to hold me and tell me that he understands that today was a terrible day and feels the aching in my heart.

Does this make me gay or straight or bi (since I'm married). Does it effin matter?

I once had a man that I loved like no other man I had ever loved before. He came into my life at just the right moment (I hated my father, blah, blah, unsure of my sexuality, and intensly attracted to the same sex even though I was married ooooooo). BUT! I had no, I repeat, no sexual attraction to that man. He was was a big ole teddy bear of a man that when he hugged you, you knew you had been hugged by someone who genuinely cared. I loved it when he hugged me...

I loved him. My wife says I used to follow him around like a puppy. I suppose she was right because to be near him was a wonder of life. I was in the presence of someone special. He left one day for another job in another state. I sobbed for days. There's been no one like him in my life since.

I tell you this story without all the mumbo jumbo of previous posts to say this: sometimes its just nice to have a man in your life. Not a buddy or someone to pal around with. God knows they're a dime a dozen. But a man to just "be" with. A man who can hug you and tell you "it's gonna be alright. I'm here." Do you get what I'm saying?

Rusty

P.S. And for the effin record. After all these years, I'm still attracted to men. Lable me if you like. I don't give a good damn.

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#358744 - 04/05/11 11:41 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Rusty563]
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Would someone want to talk to me about this in a way I might be able to understand. I do understand some of what you are saying but a lot of it I don't. I'm just confused and trying to figure myself out. Thanks, Chris


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#358745 - 04/05/11 11:42 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Rusty563]
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Hi, my brothers.

Interesting subject indeed. Various feelings about it too.

I want a man to love me emotionally & physically. I want to be hugged, i want to be told I love you. I want the physical & emotional attachment from a man. I can understand that. That defines just what & who I am.

I was (still am technically) married, We are separated by an ocean. My wife gave me 100% of her. I gave her nothing-zero. I never was attracted to females and the 3 that i had something to do with, there was no emotional connection. I never was supposed to have been married in the first place.

But around those boys in that orphanage/Home, my military buddies, my few male friends that i now have and my sons & grandsons there is an emotional connection,tons of it both sexually & non sexually. So you can see that i am a homosexual person.
I am attracted to & love men. In my heart, soul, mind & body.
Completely. SSA mumbo jumbo i don't know about it.

Heal well, my brothers, no matter which way that you are. I will still love & respect you. For just being YOU.

"I will take that lost boys hand, and i will lead him from the depths of darkness, into the sunshine, forever into eternity." As he is me.

Pete..Irishmoose.



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#358847 - 04/07/11 01:45 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: petercorbett]
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Hey guys;

I wanted to share my feelings on this issue. So I finally understood after I saw my first therapist that I had been sexually abused. What a big step in my recovery that was to finally have a name for what happened to me. To say hey I was abused by a guy who was my age.

Now comes the next hard part for me. I'm a male who I believe is attracted to other guys. Not 100% certain but pretty sure I think. I still have doubts about this whole thing. It could be fear of being judged or being found out or letting what other people say or think about me bother me. I feel at times like the only guy who is going through this shit in my life around me. Not here I mean but in my actual living life with other people around me here in Arizona. I know that those last statements are not true, that there are others struggling with their sexuality and just as confused here in Arizona here at ASU with me.

I will say this about my feelings. I had this TA last summer who was the instructor for my lab portion of my Organic Chemistry class. I spent time with him and got to know a bit, talk with him. I quickly became attracted to him. Well the class came to an end and that was it. Well I ran into him the following semester and it was nice to see him. He brightened my day up. Talking with him was enjoyable. I was able to forget all my pain, sorrow, agony for a few moments. For a few moments life just felt good and I didn't care about anything else but our conversation. I just felt good around him. Not sure if he is gay or not he did nudge me with his foot. I don't believe straight guys nudge each other with their foots, correct me if i am wrong.

When I was with Jordan I just felt good and comfortable and it was fun to be around him. Maybe I am gay and still in the denial process. He just made me feel better about myself and having a conversation with his life and what was going on for him all seemed right. I tried to pursue this guy further but got no responses from him so I gave up and just fuck it even though I got so many mixed signals from him. Still have some lingering feelings for this guy. I have only told one other person what I am sharing with you guys tonight.

I do find as well that I tend to relate or feel more comfortable around guys. I don't where that comes from because I used to feel more comfortable around girls. Odd phenomenon if you ask me.

The last therapist I was able to see at ASU told me I wasn't gonna figure my sexuality out sitting at home on my couch on a Friday night. I had to actually get out there and explore my sexuality whether it be clubs, bars, parties or places to meet other guys. The message was get out there. That is the hardest part for me. I use my busy school schedule as an excuse not to get out.

Part of the problem is I am just fucking scared of it all guys. Scared of STDs and scared of HIV/AIDs. I think I have said this before but I had sexual contact with my abuser as well as having unprotected sex by choice with a woman. I didn't ejaculate but still scared I could have picked up STDs. I realize I might be a little paranoid but all this shit just scares me and I like the safety of a security blanket I call, my misery. Scared of being hurt or being vulnerable again. Opening myself up and trusting again. I know this is easy part to say all this shit, these are my problems now how do I get out there, but I just fuckin have to do it.

Okay this feels better getting all this shit out of me. I thank you Bobcat and all the men for allowing me to participate in a conversation about sexuality and sexual abuse and how to distinguish between them all.

I may be back to say more but it is getting late here.

Thanks Guys.

Charlie.


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#358937 - 04/07/11 10:03 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Charlie24]
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I thought of a few more things I want to add to this topic regarding struggling with my sexuality. That is the hard part for me is to understand those feelings I had when I was around Jordan. I am still so confused if those feelings are feelings of attraction to him as another man or as just finally having another male in my life who gets me and wants to be a friend. It is so important to have male friends in our lives. I can remember the last time I had a male friend (in person) was a friend I had from elementry school. After that I never really had a male friend I could confide in share stuff with, feel like I could trust who wasn't using me or exploiting me.

I know I can come here and bitch and moan on this topic to no end but the last therapist I saw is fuckin right. I have to get out there and try and until I do I won't know.

So maybe it is time I stop bitching and start acting in my life. It appears it will be the only way I will move forward with my life.

Thanks guys for letting me get this shit out. It is helpful. In small steps I am making progress.

Charlie.


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#358966 - 04/08/11 01:46 AM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: Charlie24]
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PTSD. In my own case I find that a lot of my attractions are in the realm of PTSD (Post Traumatic Stress Disorder). That is they are not so much a "sexual orientation" as they are a memory reaction to sexual abuse I experienced as a child.

When boys get sexually abused, the imprint of the general picture of their abuser gets stamped in their brain. If they had multiple abusers then they have a bunch of imprinted images. Then when they see a person (or picture) who resembles an imprint, they have a PTSD reaction to the person. Since the trauma was sexual, then the PTSD trigger results in sexual emotions. It seems like it's a sexual attraction and it can be a trigger to other responses, but it's really a PTSD reaction.

Here is an excellent article on PTSD from Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posttraumatic_stress_disorder

http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topics/post-traumatic-stress-disorder-ptsd/index.shtml

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001923/

I also experienced having a strong and difficult mother and a weak and difficult father with little male companionship. I think that those were also significant formative events.

I had multiple other traumas which complicate the matter.

Allen






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#360139 - 04/18/11 11:34 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: pufferfish]
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My brothers,

I can't begin to thank you for all your input on this topic. I'm sure hearing different stories about SSA will help our friends here - both present and future - to understand and cope with some of their issues. I hoped that this topic would take off and provide some reassurances, and I think it did. I have you guys to thank for that. smile

I would like to make one comment, regarding Charlie24's reply. Charlie, you said your therapist suggested you get out and start learning what attracts you. You also said that you aren't sure why you are attracted to males, or even if you truly are.

May I make a suggestion? If you haven't done so, could you attend a WoR, or other support group first? My theory is that you could learn whether your feelings are non-sexually based or not BEFORE you engage in sex. It might feel safer to you (and probably is safer). If you attended a support group of males that you could trust, you could find out if it's intimacy with males that you yearn for and not the sex. Just a thought.

I wish I had met you in Arizona, because you could have trusted me not to seduce you (Hell, I'm a 39-year-old virgin, after all! Seduction isn't exactly in my nature, lol). I would not have engaged you in sex - instead, I would have given you physical affection in the form of hugs and mental affection in the form of nonjudgmental listening and letting you know how much I care for you. I would have kept your healing at the top of my priority list, as I hope all good survivors would do for each other.

Mods - if the above paragraph is too much or too personal, please go ahead and delete it, with my apologies, if you feel it's inappropriate.

Thank you again, guys, for sharing with me on this topic. I really, truly appreciate it. Thanks. smile

Your loving brother, as always,

Bobcat

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#360201 - 04/19/11 01:56 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: TheBobcatAgain]
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for non sexual very real relationships with other men

try

www.mkp.org

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#360202 - 04/19/11 01:58 PM Re: Homosexuality vs. SSA [Re: risingagain]
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Quote:

We create trainings and circles in which all men are welcome to discover their deepest truths. We welcome men of all sexual orientations: gay, straight, and bisexual, including those who identify as having unwanted same sex attraction, to do their own work as they define it, to respect the identity and value of others, and to take responsibility for the impact their words and behaviors have on others.


From the MKP website.


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