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#316944 - 12/30/09 10:23 AM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: JustScott]
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I have to agree with JustScott on this one. To add, for me the question becomes, 'What are my motives for masturbating?' I don't believe Jesus ever specifically addressed this issue, and the statement by Christ that lusting after another in one's heart, isn't a direct reference to masturbation, but to our sin.

Let me explain, if our motive is to think lustful thoughts, and the outcome is masturbation, masturbation isn't the sin, the lustful thoughts are.

God gave us the gift of sex for the purpose of giving pleasure to another, not just for ourselves. But then at some point, the issue needs to be addressed as what to do when sexual pleasure within the boundries of a God sanctioned relationship is interrupted due to say illness, distance, etc. If someone's urge compells them to act, which would be better: Masturbating, or committing adultry?

My 2 shekels worth.

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#341363 - 10/03/10 02:58 PM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: estuardo]
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Bumpty-bump.

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#345332 - 11/15/10 08:00 PM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: FormerTexan]
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Andy, I'll throw in my penny's worth.

I've come to wonder if Jesus's words about lust, anger, hate, and things which stem from the heart as being the same as the actions that can accompany them being the same in God's eyes were not so much about giving a mandate, or rule against those things (not that he IS pleased with them), but more a way to remind us just how sinful, and needful of God we are.

We may can take pride in the things we "don't" do or haven't done, but God says, "You still need me, because, look how badly you want to do it!" I've lately been seeing these things more of evidence of how badly I need God to stay pure...not necessarily of how bad I am.

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#346120 - 11/24/10 01:42 AM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: Bradley P]
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AND FOR THE RECORD I DO NOT VIEW MYSELF BETTER THAN ANYONE HERE . I AM STILL A SINNER SAVED BY GRACE

and for me this has worked for me otherwise i would not even bring it up . my hope is not to offend or set off a war but just bring what worked for me to the table that is all nothing more nothing less .

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this is really simply guys Sin is Sin all i see is justification here.

all you need to do to get the answers you seek "sense this is in the spirituality section" is go to the scripture .
if you believe this is the word of God than he will reveal it to you through the spirit . or through some one who will not make the scripture fit a certain way just so you can go on justifying sin .

i no i will be the unpopular one here for being brutally honest but if you want to live your life for Christ and not for self or self gratification and you are in Christ Jesus and he in you
i believe he would reveal this to you. but in our sinful nature we want there to be justification and compromise but anyway you slice this pie


there is no compromise with sin .

it is what it is


just because it does not mention this in the scripture does not mean it is not sin .

this is honestly quite easy are you thinking about Jesus or anything holy for that matter while you masturbating ?
i highly doubt it .
here let me lend a few scriptures

1st Corinth 6:18-20

1 Corinth
7:9

1st peter
1 :13-15


Gal 5
16:20

there will be plenty of post about people who do not believe in God or the bible or what ever . so let me say this if you do not believe that is cool with me The God i believe in gives me free will so why would i not extend that same courtesy to you .

but if you call yourself a Christian and say that masturbation is not a sin than i ask that you examine yourself and ask God to reveal the scripture to you
test yourself and put yourself up against the scripture not what you want to hear from man.

i struggled with porn and masturbation for over 9 yrs and he has delivered me from this sin and i can honestly say it was the word of God that convicted me through the scriptures in a video i watched the word came alive and cut me like a double edged sword that it is "the word of God"

this is that video
http://illbehonest.com/Freedom-from-Masturbation-and-Pornography-James-Jennings

i justified it i struggled with it i cried over it i hated myself because of it because it separated me from my God and i wanted so desperately to be closer to my God it got to the point where i wanted to be closer to God rather than my sin of masturbation .
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here is a couple of other good links

http://illbehonest.com/Freedom-from-Pornography-Masturbation-Sexual-Sin
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http://illbehonest.com/Battling-Pornography-Bob-Jennings
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http://illbehonest.com/Is-Masturbation-a-Sin-Tim-Conway


now the only thing that might be easy to take wrong in the way he presents this is that if you are caught in your sin you might not be a true christian .because this is not true

because as long as God is dealing with you and convicting you and you are honest with God and yourself and are struggling to overcome than yes you are a true christian

no man can ? your salvation . but a true christian can not just except sin in his or her life and that just be it .

there has to renewing of the mind at work it might take yrs to overcome if you are working this thing you will overcome at some point.

other than that the teaching is sound just do take this video to the point were you doubt you are a true christian because you are sinning because ALL of us sin and will sin and all fall short . but we should always be striving for that higher calling that is in Christ Jesus.




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#353574 - 02/13/11 04:25 PM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: nltsaved]
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So, if you're sleeping with women and not thinking of God is that a sin as well?....

Why can't one be thinking of God while masterbating?....

Is it somehow easier to be thinking of God while having sex with a woman...or a man...

If someone had an obsession with apples and that obsession nearly ruined their life....

Do you think it would be right for them to condemn apples for everyone?....


it's not the thing it's the person......

What activity or thinking pattern hasn't been abused by someone to the point where it ruins their life?...

Does that make everything a sin?


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#354465 - 02/22/11 12:52 PM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: RecoveryReady1]
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smile

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#410927 - 09/21/12 08:33 AM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: FormerTexan]
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So guys are you do it or not smile ?
I have sometimes compulsive need to MB that can keep me busy but I now that I'm than desperate and need to escape from my reality because of some negative feelings.
In all other cases I just feel occasional need to relief my self. Any other thoughts smile ?
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#410939 - 09/21/12 11:17 AM Re: Masturbation and this thread [Re: FormerTexan]
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Hmmm this thing about "fantasizing while masturbating" - really? A sin?

So I'm sinning when I have sexual dreams and have a wet dream? That's just ridiculous.

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#410945 - 09/21/12 12:09 PM Re: Masturbation and this thread [Re: FormerTexan]
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You are sinnin when lust enters your mind. Point blank plain and simple...I don't know what u dream and seems like you just want to stir the pot. So I will say you do your thing a I will do mine. We are all sinners .........I don't know why u are so hung on masterbation talk. You can whip it all day long if you choose cause you are a grown man. What does it matter what a Christian view is to you cause you have made it clear that what you believe is right. U wanna get a heated discussion started it is obvious but I am done with this topic. So as MJ said ... Just beat it
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#410946 - 09/21/12 12:10 PM Re: Masturbation and this thread [Re: FormerTexan]
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But to answer your question from a biblical stand point I can give you scripture to read. But I think you already know it.
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