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#351642 - 01/23/11 10:36 AM Breath
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My body remembers not breathing, or not getting enough breath, abusively. When I constrict the diaphragm, it triggers an anxiety attack. When I exercise.., trigger. When I exert myself in work.., trigger. I went scuba training once, but could not get enough air out of the tank.

I have sat, for a moment, thinking about the area of the diaphragm, and constriction. I spent only a few moments with it, and I was completely overwhelmed.

I need to process this. I writing this, I am anxious...

Sam

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#351643 - 01/23/11 10:42 AM Re: Breath [Re: SamV]
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Let me be clear,

I feel there is a reason I am experiencing the sensations of hyperventilating. I do not want to breathe into a paper bag, or sit with the knowledge that I will not die.
I want to know what in my past is causing this presenting symptomatology, acknowledge it, and then process it.

I am not about relieving the symptoms, I want to find the root cause and heal it.

Thank you,
Sam

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#351644 - 01/23/11 10:45 AM Re: Breath [Re: SamV]
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I mean, is it a symptom of ptsd only? Or is it something to go with the abuse that I can identify and process and get relief?

Has anyone had experience in reaching back into the past and relieving shortness of breath symptoms?

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#351645 - 01/23/11 11:00 AM Re: Breath [Re: SamV]
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Sam

I hear you:
"I want to know what in my past is causing this presenting symptomatology, acknowledge it, and then process it. "

Sometimes the best answer is to learn to deal with the symptom (hyperventilating) NOW by learning new techniques rather than digging up unprocessed memories and trying to resolve them.

My T tells me we will address my life today as it reflects the abuse-strengthening me to handled triggers and life today.

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#351652 - 01/23/11 11:34 AM Re: Breath [Re: Mountainous Buck]
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Yes, exactly, MB,

I have done the 7-11, or rather the 2X4, two lower abdomen breaths in, 4 out, and it has put me in the 5 bpm range.

The chest constriction, fever, numbness, vertigo, nausea and fatigue are still available on a moments notice, and that is what leads me to think I am on the verge of yet another breakthrough.

I have my mother in law here for another 9 days out of the last 4 weeks she has been here. I have traveled seven thousand miles OTR in 3 trips.

It may just be that I am stressed out, that the hyperV is just a reaction to the jet set lifestyle I am not used to.

Thanks MB,
Sam

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#351727 - 01/23/11 10:31 PM Re: Breath [Re: SamV]
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Sam,

I too have PTSD symptoms that are an "affect" of the abuse. My T has helped me to "process" the memories that I have clearly had. As I have processed them, I have stopped breathing. Interestingly enough I have noticed them and not my T. I have been in group T as well and noticed others "stop" breathing as they talk about the abuse they suffered or even about feelings around the abuse. Most T's I have been with don't recognize and say anything - maybe due to legal issues.

As I began crying last year, I too was stopping my breathing.

Anyways, 1st is acknowledging your breathing patterns is 1st. Secondly, I was encouraged by a friend who is a somatic therapist to sob when crying as the sobbing involves breathing. And lastly, know this too shall pass.

Glad your talking my dear friend.

Donnie

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#351742 - 01/24/11 08:17 AM Re: Breath [Re: Avery46]
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Guys,
For many years, I realize that I am holding my breath and there doesn't seem to be a reason that I do this. I know that when I feel stressed or threathened, it is worse. I remember when my uncle first tried to rape me I had an "out of body" experience and held my breath through the whole ordeal. I am still trying to figure it all out. Thanks for talking about this.

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#351763 - 01/24/11 11:53 AM Re: Breath [Re: SamV]
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Sam,
I'm actually a bit concerned about your post.
For me, breathing is the "exit" out of my anxiety/fear.
I will stop breathing or restrict my breathing when fearful, anxious, or recalling my abuse.
But the deep breathing helps me "get back" to a good place.
If you are not able to do that, then I am concerned (I don't mean to sound too dramatic) that you may have physiological issues that hinder effective and healthy breathing.
I guess I'm just saying that perhaps BOTH a medical doctor AND your therapist should help address this development.

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#351784 - 01/24/11 03:02 PM Re: Breath [Re: EvanCan]
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Hey fellas, thanks for the support and experience,

Donnie, yes indeed, I have noticed the breathing, or hyperventilating, and when I express my emotions, I am able to stop that physical symptom. Thank you for helping me understand that hyperventilating is a symptom of the abuse, and the secondary diagnosis is PTSD.

ACR, have you considered, as I am thinking out loud, that you hold your breath to stop all external stimuli from entering into you? A type of coping mechanism? I have experienced that sensation and when I drink cold water while overwhelmed, I find myself breathing and being present, hth.

EvanCan, once I realize I am hyperventilating, I can calm and exercise the breath to a comfortable pace, 2X4 breathing, about 5 bpm. Thank you for your concern, EC, it is very special to me.

These comments are very insightful to this issue, and I am finding much on this topic.

What I am finding personally is the thought or trigger of not getting enough air, or not being able to satisfy my need for air, and getting too much air causing hypoxia, yep, sounds screwed up, but there is a thought process behind it.
Just talking about the symptoms produces an "exit", and the constricted panic I usually feel about this is minimized currently. I want to stay on top of this, thank you for sharing your experiences with me.

What I think so far;
#1Hyperventilating presently is NOT because I experienced air deprivation at any time excessively.
#2It is a stress trigger, and a psychosomatic response to stress.
#3I have to understand the process of the psychological steps to this condition, and begin to install boundaries to slow and eventually stop the acting out.
#4Losing weight and wearing lose fitting clothing should help the symptoms.

What do you think fellas? I simply cannot afford a therapist, so peer is the only way I can get this information.

Thank you for your support,
Sam

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