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#347452 - 12/08/10 08:36 AM WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST
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I have been looking for a "pop" answer that will explain it all as to why those four older boys did what they did to me. I went to Amazon and search "children who molest children."

What I discovered is there are penty of books on the topic, its of epidemic proportions and its an emerging discipline of psycho-therapy and psychology.

The sad part is that these books are very expensive and I cannot buy them. I just thought I'd pass that along to those whom have been abused by "children/adolecents" (effectively).

I am also asking the professionals here to keep us informed of conferences and/or peer-reviewed papers on the topic.

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#347465 - 12/08/10 11:03 AM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: Still]
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Robbie,

I understand where your coming from regarding wanting information on the perps who hurt you.

Have you tried a google search? Your local library can help you find books. I know asking is very tough. I was taking a Juvenile Justice class and started gathering materials on this very topic.

I am proud of you.

Donnie

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#347480 - 12/08/10 01:28 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: Still]
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Robbie,

Originally Posted By: Robbie
I have been looking for a "pop" answer that will explain it all as to why those four older boys did what they did to me. I went to Amazon and search "children who molest children."


***TRIGGER FISH ***

This was also part of my problem. I agree that kind of abuse (by other boys) causes some special problems.

I have declared here in MS that I was subjected to kiddie porn while still 3 and then into 4. I was abused by several other older boys (several years older than me) in the making of that porn. I know the names of all 3 of them and I know where 2 are now. But I don't know much about their lives. One of the related problems is that they were hostile to me and set me up for a lot of feelings of social rejection.

Also the abuse I experienced at the camp at age 12 began with abuse by a bunch of boys the same age or older than I was. All of that was orchestrated by the abuser. I think the abuser knew exactly what he was doing and was setting those things up to emotionally disable me. It really set up some nasty emotional systems. Also then I saw my abuser kill another boy through a sexual act. All of this really set up some nasty psychological problems in me.

Allen





Edited by pufferfish (12/08/10 01:38 PM)

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#347482 - 12/08/10 01:30 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: Avery46]
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Donnie,

I live in a town that makes Mayberry look like New York. Its small....really really small. With my darling ex-wife spreading news of my CSA like the flu throughout the town, I cannot approach the tiny library to an ILL (Inter Library Loan) with the state. The state, in fact, has one better book than Amazon, but its in a distant hopital library and I would have to use my ID at my home-town library to do an ILL.

The price of these books really sucks. Even the used ones are too high for me.

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#347485 - 12/08/10 01:41 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: pufferfish]
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Originally Posted By: pufferfish
Also then I saw my abuser kill another boy through a sexual act


WTF!?!?!?! This shakes me to my very core. Can you elaborate?

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#347487 - 12/08/10 02:18 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: Still]
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Robbie,

***triggering*** and ***bad reading***:
I talked about it in:

http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthr...9028#Post219028

Originally Posted By: pufferfish story part 5

Several nights later a boy came into the tent in the evening. He had a roundish face, freckles, reddish hair, and a bright smile. He seemed at first to be a cheerful sight and as a possible compatriot. He seemed however to have come at the request of Leader-X. Leader-X had him remove his clothes. He then had us assume a 3-way sexual position which I didn’t understand (I still don’t). Afterward, he stuck his dick deep down into the throat of the other boy. It looked to me afterward like the boy was dead. The leader picked him up and said to me, “Look what you did: you killed him.” He carried the boy out of the tent and I never again saw him. I believed that the boy would show up as a victim of drowning, perhaps in the swimming area.


Allen


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#347551 - 12/08/10 06:16 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: pufferfish]
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I had to ask. OMG! I hope Leader-X is ..... oh nevermind. Holy God!

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#347628 - 12/09/10 01:05 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: Still]
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Originally Posted By: Robbie Brown
I have been looking for a "pop" answer that will explain it all as to why those four older boys did what they did to me. I went to Amazon and search "children who molest children."

What I discovered is there are plenty of books on the topic, its of epidemic proportions and its an emerging discipline of psycho-therapy and psychology.

The sad part is that these books are very expensive and I cannot buy them. I just thought I'd pass that along to those whom have been abused by "children/adolecents" (effectively).

I am also asking the professionals here to keep us informed of conferences and/or peer-reviewed papers on the topic.


I found this book in Amazon:

Sexualized Children: Assessment and Treatment of Sexualized Children and Children Who Molest [Paperback]
Eliana Gil(Author), Toni Cavanagh Johnson (Author), William N. Friedrich (Foreword)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1877872059/

I haven't looked at the book but it gets mostly good reviews in Amazon. I have ordered it as a used book for $5.99.

Allen

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#347631 - 12/09/10 01:33 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: pufferfish]
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******triggering

Originally Posted By: pufferfish
Also then I saw my abuser kill another boy through a sexual act.


Pufferfish,

I remember reading this back when you wrote it originally. It still affects me.

Robbie,

I am with you...nevermind...urgh...

I passed out a few times due too...

Awareness will help.

Donnie



Edited by Avery46 (12/09/10 01:38 PM)
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#347641 - 12/09/10 03:15 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: Avery46]
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Originally Posted By: Avery46
******triggering

Originally Posted By: pufferfish
Also then I saw my abuser kill another boy through a sexual act.


Pufferfish,

I remember reading this back when you wrote it originally. It still affects me.

Robbie,

I am with you...nevermind...urgh...

I passed out a few times due too...

Awareness will help.

Donnie


After my memories surfaced, I spent some effort trying to find in newspaper archives for Washington D.C. (the general area where it happened) if there were any newspaper articles of dead boys showing up by the road side or as a result of drowning. I actually found a whole bunch of articles on it. I was hampered by a strong residual fear from the torture and abuse impinged upon me not to "tell". I never got to the point of writing letters which should have been the first step. Same reason. My T at that time queried the FBI on this but they said it was "too old to be of interest". (that is, statute of limitations kinds of stuff - which should be irrelevant in the case of murder).

Here is a link giving key results of my efforts:


Allen

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#347666 - 12/09/10 05:39 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: pufferfish]
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#347711 - 12/10/10 05:41 AM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: pufferfish]
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Robbie,

I have two responses:

1) It doesn't matter HOW/WHY my car got in the ditch, I need to get it out and keep driving down to the destination I was created for.

2) Why? Because my perps were abused before me: sexual abuse is learned behavior, IMHO.

Gratefully, my csa was part of a larger neighborhood operation that I resisted joining when I was older-teen age boys were the preferred target, I was a bystander who was victimized at age 9.

I say this because I know why these boys abused me:

they were abused themselves. (They also have ended up with wasted, miserable lives, haunted and conflicted by the path they took-I watched one of them die 36 years afterwards, and I thank God I didn't follow that path.)

Tell me, how would knowing "WHY" help you in your life today?

My skills and daily practice at unlearning all those consequential behaviors of my csa are much more important than an explanation why.

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#347721 - 12/10/10 08:33 AM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: Mountainous Buck]
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MB,

My compulsion to know the "how and why" of the older boys comes from a few reasonings.

1) They were 4 years older and I was 7.5. I really need to know why I was culled From the neighborhood jammed with boys my age.

2) You might detect I'm still full (as in FULL) of rage when it comes to abuse of any child or adult.

3) I'm under heavy (as in fkg heavy) attack for being a victim. You would not believe what the courts, the lawyers are able to mis-construe, spin and leverage out of the world's knee-jerk belief in the myths. Being educated and conversant in "why/how me" will help in divorce court as I have been positioned as complicit/culpable in my own abuse.

4) Learning how/why helps me emotionally as there are some roots of the abuse memory plant that have not been severed.

5) I'm being blamed for not disclosing sooner.

6) My childhood vaporized at the hands of adolecents. I want to know why. I want to know how.

7) During that era in Massachusetts, what happened to me was not even a real crime because it was child-on-child and thusly considered simple misdemeanor assault. However it would have been thrown-out of court as "boys fight."

I have to stop as even typing about these factors upsets me.

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#348278 - 12/16/10 02:04 AM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: Still]
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Rob,

I searched this in relation to another post. Maybe there is some stuff that is of some use? What happened to me happened at the hands of a peer. I know it is a little different than your story, but I too often wonder why. Actually, short note here, but that peer contacted me on facebook this summer. I was able to get a personal email address out of him. It appears he later deleted his facebook account, and he has not responded to any of my emails I have sent him starting this fall. I am just looking for some answers myself. But that is all a side tangent.

Actually, related to that, do you know the guys that did this? Could you track them down? Or were they just nameless older boys from the neighborhood (I know at that age we really don't know who everyone is)?

Anyway, here is the link:
google search

Eric


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#349285 - 12/30/10 01:28 AM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: pufferfish]
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Originally Posted By: pufferfish
Originally Posted By: Robbie Brown
I have been looking for a "pop" answer that will explain it all as to why those four older boys did what they did to me. I went to Amazon and search "children who molest children."

What I discovered is there are plenty of books on the topic, its of epidemic proportions and its an emerging discipline of psycho-therapy and psychology.

The sad part is that these books are very expensive and I cannot buy them. I just thought I'd pass that along to those whom have been abused by "children/adolecents" (effectively).

I am also asking the professionals here to keep us informed of conferences and/or peer-reviewed papers on the topic.


I found this book in Amazon:

Sexualized Children: Assessment and Treatment of Sexualized Children and Children Who Molest [Paperback]
Eliana Gil(Author), Toni Cavanagh Johnson (Author), William N. Friedrich (Foreword)

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1877872059/

I haven't looked at the book but it gets mostly good reviews in Amazon. I have ordered it as a used book for $5.99.


My copy of this book arrived. I browsed it but haven't read it yet. It looks like it would answer some of your questions. I'll post again after reading it. I'm a slow reader. The book looks kind of "clinical" but that's probably what you want with a subject like that.

Allen


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#349318 - 12/30/10 03:18 PM Re: WHEN CHILDREN MOLEST [Re: pufferfish]
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I know them all too well, and for too many years.

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