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#34255 - 04/04/05 09:52 AM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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Registered: 10/26/02
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Here is Richard Stotts reply I recieved this morning:

"Thank you for your e mail. It is refreshing at least that you accept your
later alcohol and other problems were not caused by underage abuse. Nor do
I suggest that it was easy for you - what I was saying that it is easy for
people to come forward and retrospectively claim their lives have been
ruined. As I am sure you are aware there have been a number of cases where
false accusations have been made by people who in the first instance fooled
the police with their claims. Of course I am not suggesting you are such a
person and it is clear King did commit the offences. Nonetheless it is true
that a number of the young men - I have no way of knowing if you were one
of them - who accepted him, his presents, his friendship as well as
underage sex. In this they are not alone, it was a normal part of sixties
pop culture. However reprehensible, it was not seen in that way at the
time. I appreciate and understand your feelings about this, but justice is
not justice if it is not dispensed properly even in the most difficult and
unpleasant of cases. Best wishes".

I for one was not showered with presents etc as i was pimped to King by Chris Denning (so there was no need for presents) just as King pimped boys back to Denning plus I never ever returned to kings house again although he maintains that we ALL did.

Thought you guys would like to know that I have started an online petition to get King removed from the BPI (British Phonographic Industry) "Man Of The Year" for 1997. The petition can be found here:

http://www.petitiononline.com/27121955/petition-sign.html?

Or you can find a link on my blog site which is:

http://www.20six.co.uk/benders2

Please ask you family and friends to sign ... ... Thankyou

Have a good day all

Kirk


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#34256 - 04/04/05 10:52 AM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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This is the reply I got from him this morning, I will leave it here for your perusal and subsequent comment, I am too upset to even comment on it, the man is a jerk.

To take your last point first. The Parole board said that he has not
offended for nearly 20 years and was most unlikely to do so again. It may
be right or wrong, but that is their view. I have every right to compare
his sentence with others, that is the only way you can judge a sentence and
whether or not it is too lenient or harsh. There is no point in ranting on
about how many lives he has taken, you have no evidence for that and nobody
has suggested it. Next, I never suggested King was innocent, he did, but I
don't. I am saying there is a difference in his offence and those convicted
of child abuse practiced by the likes of Roy Whiting. King was given seven
years because of who he is rather more than what he did. As for the nature
of evidence presented 20 or 30 years later there have been many cases of
accusations that were proved to be wrong or plain straightforweard lies,
usually brought about by people whio have had subsequently unhappy and
unfulfilled lives which they try to blame on others. This is not true in
King's case although great play was made of alcohol abuse and related
issues in court as if this was a consequence of King's abuse. At least one
of the victims now denies that. None of this excuses what he did, but there
are questions about his case that need to be answered and will not be now
because there is no chance of a rational discussion as, sadly, your e mail
proves. Best wishes

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#34257 - 04/04/05 11:53 AM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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Just in from the BBC news website

King loses appeal for costs regarding collapse of second trial

Convicted paedophile Jonathan King has lost a bid to win back costs for an abuse case in which he was cleared.

Pop mogul King was released on parole last week after serving half of a seven-year jail term for four indecent assaults on boys aged 14 and 15.

At the Old Bailey on Tuesday he tried to recover "a substantial figure" he paid to fund another case in which he was acquitted in November 2001.

But a judge turned him down saying King had "brought suspicion on himself".

Protesting innocence

King was jailed in 2001 after being convicted of seducing and abusing boys in a case investigated by Surrey Police.

He had been due to face three more trials but the prosecution elected not to proceed with them after King was jailed.

Attempting to recover his costs over one of these cases on Tuesday, King faced the same judge from the original trial.

Judge David Paget said: "It seems to me that as I recollect the whole of this case and the whole of the indictment, that his conduct did bring suspicion on himself."

King provoked anger after his release from Maidstone Prison last Tuesday by continuing to protest his innocence.

Home Secretary Charles Clarke was among those who condemned King's comments.

We win round two but there is another round to come!

Cheers

Kirk


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#34258 - 04/04/05 01:09 PM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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Jasper Gerard, makes a far more responsible view of the king of perversity.

Make sure you read page 2, I really wish he could stand at election, the interview finally sees the cracks appearing.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-1551820_2,00.html

here is evidence from the past worth a read

http://stopabuse.org/JONATHAN_KING2.html

I am now going to wash my hands.

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#34259 - 04/05/05 12:35 AM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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Kirk & Steve - I've had zero response.

One of my comments was that 'When someone starts to defend these perverts, I start asking more questions'.

What other conclusion could I make?

I don't mean people that professionally attempt to realign their behaviour - I mean people that outright defend them above their victims!

How on earth can the Editor of the Sunday Mirror justify employing Mr Stott?

Best wishes ...Rik

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#34260 - 04/05/05 12:40 AM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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I don't think there is a problem posting what I sent - here it is!

Dear Sir / Madam - how on earth can Stotty even attempt to justify the activities of jonathon king.

It is not acceptable to imply that what he did was ok because: 'in the 1960s and 70s popstars having sex with groupies was common place'.

It is not acceptable to imply that his sentence should have been less because:'Sarah Payne's killer only received 4 years for an earlier attack'. It's a completely different case and one where the sentence was obviously too lenient - have a go at the judge that passed the sentence - don't use it to justify king.

It is not easy for boys to come forward 20 or 30 years later - do you know how terrified the victims of these perverts are? Do you know how these perverts groom their victims so that they almost always remain silent?

There is absolutely no way that any responsible adult could attempt to justify the actions of jonathon king.

I don't know if stotty has any children or not, however would any of your staff members allow their teenage sons to go and stay the night with king? I think not.

I am always suspicious of anyone that attempts to defend these perverts - it makes me ask additional questions.

What rational argument and real concerns does Stotty think could exist in this case?

The only thing that I find questionable, is the fact that parole was allowed to this pervert when he still claims that he has done nothing wrong.

Stotty - do you seriously believe that? If not I suggest that you ammend your column, adding an apology to the thousands of victims created by these monsters.

E.***** - if printed, please do not print my name as I have a court case pending against one of these perverts. Let me tell you it is neither easy or convenient for me to do this.

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#34261 - 04/05/05 10:41 AM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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Rik,

firstly send your email to richard.stott@mgn.co.uk
his personal email address.

The whole case of king disturbs me deeply, not because of this heinous individual, but the fact that he was given parole in unknown circumstances.

Also the man was part of a pedophile ring, and how deep that goes in also unknown, probably the ones involved helped to get king released.

Stott has no right on earth to compare different cases, he is not a judge and he does not have any say on judgement of individuals.

Stott implies that it was OK in these times to do these things and it was commonplace, even if that was the case, they were committing very serious offences against the innocent, and the law then stated a minimum age of 21 years

He is saying that it was OK then but not OK now, was it OK in 1890 yes it was, but not now, anyone can draw conclusions to that, and just as ever, it still goes on.

Stott says that evidence from 30yrs ago should be dead, why? Boys cannot fake evidence of actual events and be so de>
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#34262 - 04/05/05 01:12 PM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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This link is the best I have found so far,

King of shits,

http://www.justramit.co.uk/justramit-287.htm

NJoy

ste

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#34263 - 04/10/05 06:37 PM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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This is some of the stuff found on kings site, I do not suppose he will put what I wrote on his boards though

Author: Caimin, Apr/7/2005 15:50:32


Hi All, JK - it's really none of my business, but I'm very curious. I notice that you say that you are 100% innocent, and I'm just wondering what you mean by that. Do you mean that you have done nothing *morally* wrong - i.e the boys you had sex with were underage legally, but were able to make their own decisions - it was just that the age of consent was higher then than it is now, or do you mean that the offenses for which you were convicted never actually happened?

The age of consent was 21, so they were at least 7years too young to give it

Author: JK, Apr/10/2005 13:46:48


Yes there are only a handful of negatives mostly brain dead so we don't put them up and several coming from the same source at a tabloid paper! As expected. Low in originality... high in bile!

Author: JK, Apr/10/2005 09:12:04


Actually I haven't sold many CD's for ages anyway and don't expect to now. But the new world enables people appealing to smaller, specialist areas to sell quite a lot through websites and specialist retail. Watch this space... not just for me but for many other talented but impoverished artistes!

Get a job

Author: author 213 122, Apr/10/2005 13:42:34


good luck JK... i believe you are innocent and I think it's about time others did too. Soon the media will start spotting some of the gaping holes in your prosecution. Then youre in clover!

Author: toocritical , Apr/5/2005 10:02:07


How dare you ask the public for thier money? You really are mentally cracked. Why don't you get a job as a cleaner or something if no one else will hire you? That's what everyone else has to do - work, and work hard. That's life and you have have brought your own misfortune on yourself. Where's your pension? Why are you asking for our money? Any decent human being with a heart and brain that functions normally would give any money they could to a charity or people that really DO need it, people who are homeless, parentless, orphans, Amnesty International, Childline, RSCP, Christian Aid, Cancer Research ETC. I am shocked, stunned & angry that you could so publicly ask your fans for thier money, please explain to me/us what exactly you want it for?? To put out more dire records? I genuinely want to know what you need the money for. I can barely afford to pay my rent etc. and I work 9am - 6pm and get the average wage for a 25 yr old. Please suprise me. The one thing you have said that has given me an inkling of positivity about you is the kind words you said re. The Pope. p.s what are you views on gary glitter?

I'm deeply concerned....
Author: Annie Wallace, Apr/4/2005 02:12:23


... about the feeding frenzy the "press" are having on JK. If what he says is true, then it's all matter of how you view human sexuality.

This presentation of JK as some kind of predatory monster makes my skin crawl, but there doesn't seem any way the media will see sense.

I'm referring to the "News of the World"'s sick interview with a "victim". Now of course I'm not privy to the whole truth, but it all seems like a rampant case of homophobia gone bad to me.

In the light of Jonathan's conviction, one wonders if if Michael Jackson has a hope in hell. And having said THAT, how Matthew Kelly escaped his lying tormentors.

A very worrying time for those of us who respect humanist values.

Michael Jackson is Innocent
Author: JK, Apr/2/2005 15:59:12


Or am I wrong? Do we now consider someone guilty unless they can prove their innocence? Rhetorical question? of course we do. That?s the result of us in the media who love a good story (and STAR ISN?T A CHILD MOLESTER is a non story? or is it?). But give the guy the benefit of the doubt. And I add one thing? if he IS found guilty, it doesn?t mean he is so. Many an innocent person has been wrongly convicted in the USA as well as the UK.

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#34264 - 04/10/05 09:20 PM Re: Confronting ONE of my abusers
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I Have read his website "Your Views" section everyday for five years, he has deleated the earlier stuff where he likened all of us, his survivors to the lunatics that flew those aircraft into the WTC on 9/11, strange that my counselling started on 9/11 and Kings trial started on 9/10 so Im never ever likely to forget those dates - Kirk


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