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#339033 - 08/26/10 02:26 PM Is Facebook out of line?
kidneythis Offline


Registered: 11/08/09
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You can read this and decide. In short a mother started a group called "mommies on a mission" after she found sick child abuse images on Facebook. Facebook took her group down telling her it was against the rules. She was posting links to the pages that had sick imges on them.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...d-internet.html

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#339036 - 08/26/10 02:51 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: kidneythis]
catfish86 Offline
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Yes they are. Althoughwith the ref site there were probably sickos using it to find good material

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#339038 - 08/26/10 03:38 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: catfish86]
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Facebook and other social networking sites have become a major new social medium and problem in our society. They need to make sure that they offer sufficient controls so that they don't foment a large problem. The problems of "sextortion" and "sexploitation" among teens is the other latest big example.

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#339040 - 08/26/10 04:39 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: pufferfish]
kidneythis Offline


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Maybe Catfish but its much more likely they didn't want a record of the sites they knew about and did nothing to stop when one of these guys rapes or kills someone else.

It about their exposure to liabilty not following rules that motivated them. The rules which just as on this site they have the right to remove anything for any reason w/o explanation.

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#339066 - 08/26/10 09:35 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: kidneythis]
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What a shame, it seems as though this womans intentions were good. BTW, I guess facebook has not taken a good look at some of the REAL crap on their watch!

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#339075 - 08/27/10 01:42 AM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: didi]
GoFigure12 Offline
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Just wondering... who, other than the lady in the news article and some of her friends, determined the other pages contained "sick" child abuse? Obviously not the Facebook reviewers.

Some people think Abercrombie ads are sick child porn. Some people think it's obscene for a teen girl to wear a bikini. Some people think it's obscene for a woman to show her face in public.

So what unbiased agency concurred with her assessment? Kind of hard to judge Facebook's response when we can't see the other pages and have no other information about them other than generic flaming negative comments from one unknown housewife.


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#339084 - 08/27/10 01:06 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: GoFigure12]
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I agree with th clickceop button. Not only would they get pulled but they also involve lawv enf. Sickos may get busted and maybe models rescued.

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#339091 - 08/27/10 03:37 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: GoFigure12]
kidneythis Offline


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Originally Posted By: GoFigure12
Just wondering... who, other than the lady in the news article and some of her friends, determined the other pages contained "sick" child abuse? Obviously not the Facebook reviewers.

Some people think Abercrombie ads are sick child porn. Some people think it's obscene for a teen girl to wear a bikini. Some people think it's obscene for a woman to show her face in public.

So what unbiased agency concurred with her assessment? Kind of hard to judge Facebook's response when we can't see the other pages and have no other information about them other than generic flaming negative comments from one unknown housewife.



I don't think for a minute Facebook ever looked at those pages. As for the other people being her friends thats as valid as anyone else actually being friends who "friended" someone on Facebook. The other people were simply like minded people probably mostly women.

If the pages were not pornographic or abuse related Facebook would have said so and made it possible for the woman to be prosecuted, sued, or at least given Warning not to be imposing the sorts of judgements you allude to.
Facebook did none of that. They simply shut her down and informed her with a short unsatisfying email. That tells me loud and clear that she was on to something. The article states she found pictures of naked children being sexually abused.
EDIT;
I just reread and it doesn't say that it does say that she saw child Abuse. Still, I'm for trusting her judgment after all one only has to look for oneself to know if one agrees or not. It is after all her interpretation of photographs posted by these men. I still say if she and her group members were wrong Facebook has a duty to tell us all so people don't end up following her to another site, but if she is right then what is wrong with Facebook?

You place far too much faith in Facebook whom like all Social Networking sites is a business model based on deciet. They lure people to join and promise privacy and descretion. then accumulate vast amounts of private personal information and sell it, or use it themselves, or both to market to these same people. The information being used was gained as I said by promising they never would do this with it.

In my opinion Abercrombie ads are very close to pornographic which is their specific intent, to push the line as much as possible w/o crossing over legally slowly eroding social standards. I'd bet money if it were legal for them to use porn they would. Sex sells best to prepubescent teens. They desperately want to be adults and emulate everything they think is adult especially the forbidden.

Its the print worlds version of the porn stars Pam Anderson and Kim Kardashian, they make it seem legit with relabeling and marketing but in the end what they did is still porn. Don't believe for one second that those videos were meant for anything but release to the public.
Maybe thats a chicken egg situation between the two, print and video, but my point is valid.

Catfish,
I am not a facebook or any kind of social network person, so I don't know this for certain by my impression is that one has to sign up and give quite a bit of personal information to Facebook to use that clickeop feature. I guess to be technical MS is a social networking site.
I'm thinking that if Facebook wants to be safe and honest, a person could be able to click a notify button like we do on MS and that would be it. Why all the drama of getting the personal info from the reporter? I short look would tell if that were an honest report or not. And Facebook would have plenty of info on who or from what account the page was reported.
EDIT;
I just reread the article and that ClickCeop thing is an application from a third party not related to Facebook which is to my mind a cop out by facebook.



Edited by ModTeam (08/27/10 07:19 PM)
Edit Reason: Personal attack against another user
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#339107 - 08/27/10 09:57 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: kidneythis]
GoFigure12 Offline
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Thanks for the reply. Just a note based on your comments directed at me kidneyguy: don't try to tell me where my faith lies. You have no idea who I am or what I believe. I didn't direct personal comments towards you, and I think you were a bit out of line to word your response and judgements directly at me. You started this as a personal thing in your response; I'd like that to end right here. Either silence or apology from your side would be the appropriate response.

Still waiting for my questions to be answered though.

Does anyone know more details about this woman's case? Right now it seems like this woman is just another person with an opinion, and who disagrees with Facebook's policies. That's not newsworthy to me; I'm trying to find what makes this case something to actually pay attention to.


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#339139 - 08/28/10 01:44 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: GoFigure12]
kidneythis Offline


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I apologize as my post was not worded well and did seem an attack. I did not intend it to be.

As for the faith; "Just wondering... who, other than the lady in the news article and some of her friends, determined the other pages contained "sick" child abuse? Obviously not the Facebook reviewers."
And
"So what unbiased agency concurred with her assessment? Kind of hard to judge Facebook's response when we can't see the other pages and have no other information about them other than generic flaming negative comments from one unknown housewife."

Both of those lines indicate to me you have faith in Facebook. They say you believe they did "review" her links. Then you call her posts flames. That sentence indicates the reason why that was not warranted. It makes it contradictory.

Your beliefs never came into the matter until you posted that you thought I was saying what you "believe".
There is a rational way to look at speech. One simply applies the words spoken to the initial subject or the subject changes in the conversation. Nothing outside the conversation is part of it. Otherwise everything is nothing and nothing is everything.

I really do not get how you came to think I was talking about who you are or what you believe. My poorly worded comment was meant to sarcasticly point out that you had made the same assumption about this woman you complained she did about these other sites. I think I my poor wording and lack of introspection before posting it may be the problem.

Still; I seriously doubt some woman would just start a webpage on Facebook and post links to Facebook sites she found offensive and thought were child abuse based if she was a nutter or off base. 500 people had joined her site as fellow mommies by the time facebook shut her down. It just doesn't stand to reason that all 500 of them were so unable to percieve the truth that they were also just some people with opinions.
I absolutely believe my version of Facebook's behavior. As for the newsworthyness of it, Facebook never replying to her about her concerns then suddenly w/o notice shutting her down indicates there is something not right at Facebook not with her site. If facebook was in the right and thought so they would have said so. They would have said these guys were not doing anything wrong and the lady was off base but they didn't. It takes all of a minute to maybe five minutes for someone to review a complaint about a page by looking at it. In that time they could easily decide if it was off or needed further research. A company that large should have a whole department of at least 20 people dedicated to processing these kinds of complaints. I think the FBI would happily teach them how to evaluate for child abuse and other crimes.

Again I am sorry for the offense, it was not intended. I just wanted to poke a bit in good humor, not create angst or anger.
Please feel free to ignore me at any time.

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#339143 - 08/28/10 02:11 PM Re: Is Facebook out of line? [Re: kidneythis]
GoFigure12 Offline
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Registered: 09/22/06
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Loc: USA
Thanks for the reply. Actually I was surprised: I intentionally tried to push your buttons to watch you go bonkers at me afterwards. Touche', well done, guy. Take care. I'm leaving MS now; "I 'done gradurated", time to move on.


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