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#337025 - 07/27/10 07:03 PM **** TRIGGER ALERT **** Teen kills abuser
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**** TRIGGER ALERT ****

**** GRAPHIC LANGUAGE AND VIOLENCE *****


This is about a teen who was groomed by a family friend, described as a "grandfatherly man" from the age of 12 to 15. The teen killed his abuser (55 years old) one night and is now on trial.

Sadly, the prosecution is treating him as an adult and is seeking life in prison without parole.

The opening statements and the beginning of the trial aired on InSession (formerly Court TV) today.

The video of the opening statements uses graphic language and describes the despicable acts.


Some of the details can be found here:

http://chronicle.northcoastnow.com/2010/...h-trial-starts/

and here:

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/07/27/ohio-v-daniel-kovarbasich/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_insession+%28Blog%3A+In+Session%29




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#337106 - 07/28/10 12:41 PM Re: **** TRIGGER ALERT **** Teen kills abuser [Re: Anomalous]
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Listening to this trial, and to the commentary, I am so angry....

The law in Ohio states that, for the purposes of being a victim of sexual abuse, one needs to be 18 years old or younger.

However, as a defendant in a criminal case, regardless of the charges, one MUST be tried as an adult once one is sixteen.

But the most disgusting part is that the prosecution is saying this was a CONSENSUAL relationship.

Would they be saying this if the victim of the sexual abuse was female?

There were over 1500 pornographic pictures on the elder man's computer, many of young boys.

The prosecution is twisting the events of the years leading up to the murder -- they say the elderly man was generous and that the kid was more than happy to accept the "gifts." They are also denying that the kid was ever sexually abused because when the kid was questioned immediately after the murder, he didn't "admit" to being sexually abused. Actually, he denied it.

This doesn't mean it didn't happen.

But somewhere in this prosecution's twisted ideas, they think someone should just be able and willing to readily discuss the most heinous things they have ever experienced and, if they cannot or do not, it must not have happened.

I guess when the elderly man was playing games such as asking the kid "how many different names can you call a penis" is irrelevant to the prosecution.

I really hate the prosecutors in this case.



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#337109 - 07/28/10 12:59 PM Re: **** TRIGGER ALERT **** Teen kills abuser [Re: Anomalous]
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THe more I learn about civilized societies, the more uncivilized and human I become aware that they are. The Prosecutors in these cases that act like this and say the things that they do.......

I would invite to come into my childhood during once of Little Jimmy's sexual attacks against my childhood body in the middle of the damned night, etc and then say that it was "consensual"!

They ought to taken into the town center and made to stand there preaching their distorted perverse crap about how "it was the victims fault" "he wanted it" etc.

Disgust doesn't even begin to describe what I am thinking after listening to this nonsense from the prosecutors. Sounds just like what happened to me. CPS Investigator asked me "how many fingers did he use?" 12 years after the fact. How the hell should I know. I didn't stand there looking down counting his freaking fingers lady. This whole situation stinks to high heaven. What a waste of pickles though huh?

But like they say, you can't use self defense as an excuse if your not being literally attacked in that moment. He ought to have went after the "battered wife" syndrome like alot of women do. If they have the condition, so do some men as well.


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#337162 - 07/29/10 12:25 AM Re: **** TRIGGER ALERT **** Teen kills abuser [Re: GeorgeMartin]
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I agree with everything you said, Douglas.


There is debate as to whether or not he was being attacked at that moment.

The kid says the older guy wanted sex from him and was starting to chase him. The family of the decedent refuses to believe anything other than he was a wholesome individual. The prosecution doesn't believe the kid due to their own agenda.

I think the prosecutor needs to hear from guys like us. Perhaps they would understand that the terror doesn't stop just because the sexual act (or any other abusive act) isn't taking place at the moment.

And even more disappointing is how many people in the public think that this kid (and any other kid) should be tried as an adult.



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#338188 - 08/12/10 05:08 PM Re: **** TRIGGER ALERT **** Teen kills abuser [Re: Anomalous]
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Why? Do you think boys do not report it!!!

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#338195 - 08/12/10 06:16 PM Re: **** TRIGGER ALERT **** Teen kills abuser [Re: reality2k4]
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Hello All,

I did not realize this subject already existed and started another thread. I wanted to throw a book at the tv watching this. It is truly horrific what they make kids of abuse go through in a trial. (and this wasn't even a CSA trial!) Hopefuly with this sentence, he will get the help he needs.

http://insession.blogs.cnn.com/2010/08/12/daniel-kovarbasich-sentenced-to-5-years-probation/

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#338201 - 08/12/10 08:51 PM Re: **** TRIGGER ALERT **** Teen kills abuser [Re: didi]
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It brings tears to my eyes to read this. I am happy the judge did what he is paid and given such a position for: to show good judgment and wisdom. Of course, this boy did kill someone. He spent some time in jail and will be in a mandatory therapy program. I live less than an hour from this and really only over the last few days learned the verdict (my therapist has also told me to cut down on news stories about abuse). He ignored the 1st degree murder charge, found him guilty of what he did, which is voluntary manslaughter (willfully killing in a moment of extreme passion). Instead of a vengeful idiocy of maximum sentence, the judge gave only probation and therapy. The kid learns that A)killing a human is not taken lightly and B) is given the help he needs to hopefully not become a violent criminal, addict or child molester himself. Thank God that there are still men/women on the bench with wisdom.

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#338247 - 08/13/10 11:46 AM Re: **** TRIGGER ALERT **** Teen kills abuser [Re: catfish86]
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I was discussing this case with my T yesterday, before I found out what the judge handed down as a sentence.

I was telling her about some of the horrific things the prosecutor was saying, such as this was consensual, etc.

My T then told me she has been involved in court cases where the victim of sexual abuse has harmed (but not killed) the abuser and is on trial. She has heard prosecutors say that the 11 yo defendant was "promiscuous" and was somehow the one who "initiated" the sexual contact.

Sadly, it seems such things are said with only one thing in mind -- getting convictions.


What's next? The six year old that sits on "grandpa's" lap is actually giving him a lap dance?



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