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#337280 - 07/30/10 01:32 PM B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders
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From the article:
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The B.C. government has suspended a controversial test called a penile plethysmograph, which it was using to assess young sex offenders to determine their risk of reoffending after treatment.

On Wednesday, the B.C. Civil Liberties Association demanded the government intervene after it learned of the tests.... During the test, a youth would attach a device to his penis that is designed to measure his physical sexual arousal.

Researchers in another room then play images of adults having sex, followed by images of naked children and infants, as they monitor the youth's level of arousal, according to Robert Holmes, the president of the B.C. Civil Liberties Association.

The images are accompanied by audio of a male voice that describes forced intercourse with male and female infants as young as two, according to Holmes.

The youth's genitals are covered by a sheet during the testing, and the youth is monitored by researchers behind one-way glass who measure whether or not there is some kind of stimulation effect, said Holmes.


I recall mentioning this test before someone telling me that it is not used. However, there are plenty more examples like this. It goes to show that many involved in "helping" children to offend are often just further abusing the children under the guise of "therapy."

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#337315 - 07/31/10 09:50 AM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: jacobtk]
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Clearly, after reading the article, the tests constitute sexual abuse. But of course, its OK because the parents of the male children abused consented. How can the parents consent when if they did this on their own, they would be committing a crime?

Kind of like the school in PA secretly snapping photos of teens thru their laptop cams. Somehow out of 56,000 photos nothing "slacious" was taken. No child porn was produced. If one of the parents did that...

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#337319 - 07/31/10 10:17 AM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: catfish86]
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I first read about this "test" in Brenda Scott's book "Out of Control," a book about Child Protective Services agencies in the states and their abusive practices. This abusive procedure served only to leave the person tested feeling violated and humiliated. Our tax dollars at work.

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#337327 - 07/31/10 12:48 PM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: FormerTexan]
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I remember hearing about this sort of test on 60 minutes or some show like it in the 80's.

It's effing sick. You cannot know what the stimulus actually is in the mind of the victim of this torture. I know I often visualize something pleasant to me when I am forced to see something I find distasteful. How do we vet for that?
You don't, you can't. My God what sick bastards! To children no less!!! Probably acting out some abuse that was taught to them as normal.

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#337341 - 07/31/10 03:19 PM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: kidneythis]
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I have always found this particular practice, even when conducted on adult subjects, to be distasteful at best and abusive and wrong at worst. How do you cure deviant thought processes and behavior? Exxpose the subject to sensory input consisting of sexual and violently sexual behavior. Makes perfect sense to me! Idiots!

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#337349 - 07/31/10 03:53 PM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: catfish86]
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Originally Posted By: catfish86
Clearly, after reading the article, the tests constitute sexual abuse. But of course, its OK because the parents of the male children abused consented. How can the parents consent when if they did this on their own, they would be committing a crime?


My guess is that what the parents were told was either not entirely the truth or a very sanitized version of this or they were told it would help their sons. It is curious that therapists, psychologists, and prison officials can do things to imprisoned children that would get any average citizen arrested and jailed without exception.

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#337356 - 07/31/10 05:17 PM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: jacobtk]
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Yes that is one of the most abused priveleges of the educated. The implicit trust that the uneducated place in their education and honesty.



Edited by kidneythis (07/31/10 05:17 PM)
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#337994 - 08/09/10 10:55 PM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: kidneythis]
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From what I understand, these devices aren't placed on people by force or anything. The "patient" has to agree, has to consent to their use. He can say "No, leave my Willy alone." and no one will pin him to the floor, duct tape him into submission, and strap it on... not one of those "A Clockwork Orange" scenarios.

Isn't it just a 1-modality equivalent of a polygraph machine (polygraphs check heart rate, respiration and GSR; this thing only seems to check the degree of a flacid or erect penis)?

And don't they use this device as sort of a lie detector for convicted pedo sexual arousal, to see if what the guy says is backed up by what his body does? Wouldn't most people who are trying to "graduate" from sex offender therapy be tempted to lie to the therapists if they could get away with it, so they could finish the damn "therapy" and get out of lockup and be let free again?

I don't know whether these things really are of much use in measuring whether a convicted pedo of any age will reoffend, so I'm not trying to defend their use; but I don't see where using them is "abuse" as mentioned by some in this thread.

Can someone explain what they mean when saying that a convicted pedo who's desperately trying to "graduate" from a therapy program and who volunteers to have this thingy hooked to his thingy is getting "abused"? I don't get that part.


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#338003 - 08/10/10 08:26 AM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: GoFigure12]
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Penile Plethysmograph (ppg) is a device that consists of a hollow rubber band filled with liquid gallium (or some other fluid that can measure changes in expansion).

The person places the ring on his flaccid penis. A technician in another room gets the measurement. The person manipulates himself to as full an erection as he can and this represents the minimum to maximum stimulation.

The person is given a series of verbal scenerios involving 90 seconds of different stimuli. It might be something along the line of "A beautiful adult woman is taking off her top. Her breasts look lovely to you. She reaches down and takes your penis and moves it between her breasts while she gently rolls your testicles in her hand...etc." This kind of scene will be repeated (after a cool down period) with a male adolescent narration, teen female, prepubescent children, adult rape, child abuse and adult female violence, etc.

This is to give a roadmap of a person's arousal patterns. It is not used to diagnose anything and it is not used to determine when a person will be released from prison.

It is used as a treatment tool so that if the person has an arousal pattern to prepubescent boys, for example, some specific treatment work will be done to reduce the arousal. When the person shows less or no arousal to these subjects, it can be interpreted that the therapy is working.

Human sexual response is a complicated thing. We are all aroused to objects we might not actually engage sexually so it can't be used to predict future behaviors.

I'll say more if there are specific questions about this.


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#338028 - 08/10/10 03:09 PM Re: B.C. suspends penile sex tests on young offenders [Re: Ken Singer, LCSW]
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The "patient" has to agree, has to consent to their use.


This is true. But according to Brenda Scott, some of those tested are strong-armed into consenting to the test, such as someone accused of child abuse, if they ever want to see their children again, who were abducted by the state.

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