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#332508 - 05/29/10 10:59 PM fillings removal despite economic uncertainty?
fhorns Offline
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Hey guys,
I've got a question, and I need feedback. To cut to the chase, I'm wondering if I should go in debt to get my amalgam fillings out even though I'm presently unemployed. I've got insurance, but I just found out my payout will change--from $700 to $1110--since the insurance company won't pay out for the composite fillings. I had one quadrant (section of teeth) removed 3 weeks ago--4 teeth--at $220. So I've only got 3 quadrants left. The $1110 is what I'll have to pay.

Why? Because the mercury in my mouth (in the amalgam) is released every time I eat, drink, or swallow. The result? Irritation, a foul mood, and bitterness. And most of the time with no situation connecting it. I get nasty with my wife (mostly in the morning after brushing my teeth), and it all relaxes hours after. In my mind I'm predictable, but to her I'm not. I dread that time, as I know I'll be unhappy and moody after, still obsessing about---my bad attitude.

I've been looking at this for over a year. I'm just insecure about "asking permission" from my wife to do this. To my wife, I'm like "can I?" What I'm asking you guys is "should I?"

My plan: my dentist started a no-interest credit card type payment plan. I have yet to learn all about it. But it's my main choice right now. I'm throwing this out for feedback.

And finally, I'm not excusing my every emotional heyday on mercury in my amalgams, but they have a definite role/influence in my everyday thinking. A very definite one. Thanks for sharing and giving any thoughts on this.

If you want to learn more:

http://www.mercurypoisoned.com/symptoms.html

And a amalgam removal testimonies' page (covering lots of various diseases):

http://www.flcv.com/recover.html

Thanks,

Alfred


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#332512 - 05/30/10 01:25 AM Re: fillings removal despite economic uncertainty? [Re: fhorns]
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Alfred,

I take very seriously this matter of mercury in teeth, and mercury in other health applications.

At one time I read everything available in the university library on mercury. I think the dental "industry" should move toward using different preparations instead of mercury amalgums. There are a number of different compounds available today which would be better than mercury. The attitude of dental practitioners today is that mercury works well and has been used for well over 150 years. Therefore, they argue, it can't be bad.

But the cost of replacing existing fillings is so great in terms of money and discomfort that few people take it seriously. For that reason I recommend you proceed slowly so as to not jeopardize your finances and your marriage.

My wife had a terminal disease which is classified as one of the MS group of illnesses. She had ALS. We had her mercury fillings replaced and it did not affect the course of her disease. She died 3 and a half years ago in spite of removing mercury fillings from her teeth.

Mercury used in filling teeth is metallic mercury which has the lowest toxicity of various forms of mercury we can be exposed to. Under normal circumstances, very little mercury is given off to the body from dental fillings. Saliva is not capable of dissolving it. Such mercury which is given off is in quantities so low that it is almost below the ability of measurement without the most sensitive equipment.

The problem is that mercury is a wonderful catalyst. Mercury is used industrially to catalyze a variety of chemical reactions. That means that a relatively small amount of mercury can make chemical reactions proceed much faster than they would alone. Mercury has been used in the making of chlorine bleaches and in the manufacture of vinyl plastics. These usages are supposed to have ceased because the mercury gets into rivers and lakes where it is taken up by bacteria and it then enters the biological food chain. Eventually it is taken up by fish and mammals that eat fish. This was first discovered when horrible birth defects showed up in children whose mothers had eaten fish caught in Minimata Bay, Japan. The research group of which I was a part found huge levels of mercury in bobcats and some raccoons which apparently were eating fish.

The doctor who has been opposed to use of mercurial compounds in vaccinations has been impugned in Europe but he continues to practice in Texas. He believes that small amounts of mercury found in flu vaccines and other vaccines cause ADHD and other diseases. Mercury is used in the making of vaccines, where it is used to kill the active virus particles, rendering the vaccine "harmless". The doctors treating my wife insisted on administering mercury-bearing flu vaccine to her. To me it seemed as though her condition was worse the next day after receiving such vaccines. This worsening of her condition was noticed by other people besides myself (so it wasn't my imagination) but her doctors refused to acknowledge it.

With the advent of more refined techniques of measuring the small amounts of mercury including dental mercury that we are exposed to, medical researchers may well find toxic effects that are inculcated in highly specialized cases. For instance, it may turn out that it is not mercurials alone but the combination of mercurials and certain pesticides that cause certain diseases. As far as I know this has not been tested. But as it stands now, the medical establishment is firmly committed to use of mercury compounds and they turn a deaf ear toward anybody who objects.

Allen

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#332516 - 05/30/10 02:15 AM Re: fillings removal despite economic uncertainty? [Re: pufferfish]
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Alfred,

In weighing every relevant contingency, one must consider all the data. To get both sides of the story, to listen and understand before agreeing or disagreeing.

Allen certainly covered the research part, and I for one like his presentation. While agreeing that mercury and mercurial based by-products can be found outside of its intended use in large quantities, he was balanced, giving the facts as he understood them.

Financially, it is $1100. How quickly can this be recuperated into your finances? How will the monthly payments affect your budget, your relationship with your wife, children?

Health and wellbeing cannot be put into financial terms, Alfred. How do we gauge what is right for us, what is good for us, what is necessary for us, and what we can live without? Certainly good questions to ponder, with a view to averaging the results and deciding if these amalgams are a necessary excavation.

Finally, is there any controls that you personally could use to verify your dentists statements or your experience with this hypothesis? Changing when you brush, when your eat, what you eat, and see if this causes noticeable differences.

Could you get a second, or third opinion on removing mercury fillings from the mouth? Are there other dentist's in the area that are covered by your insurance?

Here is some research showing the opposite of the research provided;
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/mercury.html

Finally, my dear brother, we as survivors tend to trust authority figures beyond balance. It is important that this is your decision, not his, or anyone else's. Whatever you decide, I am confident it is the best decision for you, and wholeheartedly support it.

Sam

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#332538 - 05/30/10 09:23 AM Re: fillings removal despite economic uncertainty? [Re: SamV]
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How do you know mercury is being released everytime you...?
That's the first thing I think of. I think you might want to have this confirmed by blood test or saliva sample during a meal.

Its very unlikely unless your dentist who installed them was a hack which is something I have no problem believing BTW. I have had a black line across my upper gum because of bad caps for 26 years, I had a dentist pull a tooth with no anesthetic as a child in revenge for him hurting me while drilling causing me to jerk and he drilled himself in the finger.

So unless you have some reason to believe your dentist was not amalgamating the stuff properly or that he got the amalgum (sp?) from a bad source and a confirming test showing mercury in your body (it might be from fish or any number of sources) I'd try to let it go.

That's my economic advice on this subject. If you need to spend on this spend on some sort of test to confirm it is leaking into your body before investing further.





Edited by kidneythis (05/30/10 09:27 AM)
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#332651 - 05/31/10 02:39 PM Re: fillings removal despite economic uncertainty? [Re: kidneythis]
fhorns Offline
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I've been hesitant to respond all weekend, as my first post was in a caffeinated hurry. When that happens, I'm not right. Anyway....


Allen, I value your imput here. Things didn't work out for you and your wife, and I'm sorry to hear about it. You being the bookworm is admirable, as most days all I can do is get into a book of some sort to clear my head. Also, from your reply, I didn't know ALS was linked to MS. I learned recently how short ALS sufferers live. Thank you for sharing; it shows a lot of courage on your part.

One point: you're right about saliva. It doesn't dissolve amalgam. I've read recently that chewing releases mercury, and I know from experience to avoid some hard foods, or at least which teeth I chew with. ALL my 16 chewing teeth were filled by a dentist when I was nine, so I'm loaded.

Sam and Kidney, I wanted you guys to tell me what to do. I realized in the days since I wrote this I was afraid of my wife's abandonment, so instead of facing that danger, I threw it out to you guys. Me not returning (it's been 2 days) is proof of this fear. This thing is going around in my head. I'll have to post this separately, because it's huge to me.

Thank you guys for responding. In the end, I have to honor my wife. I want this, but it's what I want, and none other. Ignoring her will/has/did hurt our relationship, and I'm learning that.

Alfred


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#333587 - 06/12/10 04:34 PM Re: fillings removal despite economic uncertainty? [Re: fhorns]
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Another note on mercury...

Since this thread was published, I have seen the new movie, Alice in Wonderland.

Part of the story behind this movie, at least in its original form has to do with mercury. How? At the time Alice in Wonderland was written, hats were made of felt. Felt was the fur of animals, such as the beaver. The hatter (a person who made hats) would take the felt and form it around a mold using steam and mercury. This was called "blocking".

The mercury would be given off into the room where the hatter worked along with the escaping steam. The hatter would inhale the mercury vapour and over a period of years he became a mad hatter. Mercury's principle toxicity affects the nervous system. He would first start to shake and have some vocal irregularities. Later he would become quite noticeably deranged.

You will notice that my explanation is different from that given by Johnny Depp in the movie. Johnny Depp attributes the mercury toxicity to mercury-laden glue used by the hatter. I think my explanation of the blocking of hats is correct.

Allen

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#333704 - 06/14/10 09:08 AM Re: fillings removal despite economic uncertainty? [Re: pufferfish]
fhorns Offline
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That's a cool insight Allen. I've been reading your posts lately, and among other things, you are quite informed about mercury's usage in society. I've never watched Alice, but I've known the general story line. I've known about the Mad Hatter complex myself. Thanks for pointing that out.

You validate me in my concerns. I am presently holding off on removing the fillings because of finances, but I wanted you to know I'm grateful for your knowledge base. Thank you for not keeping quiet about it. The big picture (me) is affected by a lot of other things (CSA, mercury, relatives, etc.) We're all a collection of memories and trained responses. I'm really grateful for your replies and perspective here. Thank you.

Gratefully,

Alfred


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