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#327450 - 04/05/10 12:45 PM Graham James Pardoned in Canada
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=316693

The infamous hockey coach who molested both Sheldon Kennedy and Theo Fleury has been pardoned. It was revealed only yesterday, but the pardon was granted 3 years ago.

This is appalling. The Prime Minister has asked the pardon board for an explanation.

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#327463 - 04/05/10 05:19 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Deved]
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Simply Shocking!

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#327465 - 04/05/10 05:33 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Regs]
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I read Fleury's book "Playing with Fire" (great book by the way).

Ditto Regs - it's completely shocking that he could be pardoned.

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#327480 - 04/05/10 08:22 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Deved]
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someone please give us an email address contact to complain about this to ....

how insulting

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#327481 - 04/05/10 08:25 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Survivinguy]
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This has me pissed that he can get away with it. I plan on calling my local Canadian embassy tomorrow. I hope they are ready to hear my opinion. I've been googling Graham James and supposedly he is in Spain somewhere according to one article that I read. I spread the word thru my support group from the conference. That is 40+ people that have the information to go to their local Canadian embassy to voice their opinions now. I also joined the Revoke Graham James' Pardon page on FaceBook. The more people that know about this low life, the better the chance something will get done.


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#327484 - 04/05/10 08:51 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: nevragan]
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Yes, I posted on the other Fleury post early this morning on this.

http://www.malesurvivor.org/board/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=305778&page=all


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#327487 - 04/05/10 09:19 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Deved]
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just got this from another source:

"Just to clarify, it was the National Parole Board, and not the government, that issued the pardon. The government is quite upset about it and has made that known and is investigating the circumstances in which this happened and is considering drafting legislation to prevent this in the future (i.e to have a much more thorough vetting of the pardon process). E.g. see

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/poli...article1523541/

So in your letters to the public safety minister or to the prime minister, be sure to encourage their work rather than just rant at them! Here's the contact page for the Public Safety Minister:

http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/abt/contact-eng.aspx "

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#327488 - 04/05/10 09:44 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Sans Logos]
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Thanks Ron! smile Good points indeed!

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#327505 - 04/06/10 02:38 AM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Geeders]
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I have joined the Facebook group that is protesting this terrible miscarriage of justice. Here is my corrected post from the group's Facebook wall page:

"At least part of the reason for criminal sanction is deterrence of similar behaviors in others. Where is the justice for his many victims? This ruling tells his victims that their suffering doesn't matter. Certainly there are those more deserving of pardon than a confessed serial child molester who has ruined multiple young lives through an ongoing and egregious abuse of the public trust. How will this pardon deter others???"

Hopefully there won't be another group of young victims that could have been prevented. There is a Canadian Consulate office in Denver (and in many major US cities), and I will certainly write in protest of this uncaring action on the part of the Canadian Parole Board. Anyone who hasn't yet joined the Graham James Facebook group I would encourage you to do so, to show solidarity to the many victims of this monster, and in the hope that paroles of serial child molesters in Canada might be considered much more carefully in the future.

Mark

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#327512 - 04/06/10 08:59 AM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Trucker51]
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Doesn't Canada realize that pedophiles can't be cured? What is the Parole Board thinking, by issuing so many pardons, not just to James but hundreds of others of convicted pedophiles?

Does anyone know if the US has a similarly soft policy re: pardons for pedophiles?


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#327528 - 04/06/10 12:50 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: pluckmemory]
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There was an editorial today about the pardon in the Montreal Gazette by a columnist named Pat Hickey. I found this passage to be critical of Fleury:

But the more pressing question is why James is walking around free these days. Theoren Fleury, the former NHL player who waited more than two decades before he came forward to reveal his abuse at the hands of James, reportedly filed a complaint against him with police in Winnipeg on Jan. 6. You have to wonder why they have yet to file charges against James.

You also have to wonder whether James might have received more than a 42-month sentence if Fleury had joined Sheldon Kennedy in filing the initial charges.


Read more: http://www.montrealgazette.com/opinion/editorials/Criticism+parole+board+James+pardon+misdirected/2766934/story.html#ixzz0kL743XzJ

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I wrote to Hickey to object to what I believed was his accusatory tone towards Fleuron. Here is his response:

"There was indeed an accusatory tone. In the past, I have been critical of Theoren Fleury not because he did not come forward _ I'm well aware of the psychology involving abuse victims _ but because he served as an enabler for Mr. James.
> After having been abused and seeing his teammates abused, he hired James to coach a junior hockey team he owned. I find little admirable in someone who waited until his hockey career was over, used the revelations of sex abuse to sell a book and even then waited for months until public and media pressure forced him to finally file criminal charges.
>Pat

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To call a victim an enabler is just shocking and appalling to me. I wrote back that Fleuron has helped thousands of victims by speaking out, but of course I did not hear back from the very harsh Mr. Hickey.





Edited by pluckmemory (04/06/10 06:12 PM)

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#327545 - 04/06/10 04:30 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: pluckmemory]
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Pure "blaming the victim". This guy's more of an enabler with his position.


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#327549 - 04/06/10 05:41 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Ken Singer, LCSW]
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What do you expect from a culture that wouldn't extradite Roman Polanski to the US.

Also
"Theoren Fleury, the former NHL player who waited more than two decades before he came forward to reveal his abuse at the hands of James"

Sounds like he is blaming Fleury for not coming forward sooner to me


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#327550 - 04/06/10 05:47 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: onlyakid]
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Yes, the writer told me directly in an email to me that he was blaming Fleury for not coming forward sooner.

You are welcome to write to him, as I did. His email is at the bottom of his column:
phickey@thegazette.canwest.com


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#327551 - 04/06/10 05:50 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: pluckmemory]
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ARE YOU SERIOUS?!?!

it's ignorance like that, that makes it difficult to further the cause in getting help to those of us who have gone through abuse... *shakes head*...

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#327552 - 04/06/10 06:00 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Obi]
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New today: new victims of Graham James come forward and have gone to the police:

http://www.torontosun.com/news/canada/2010/04/06/13487616.html


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#327554 - 04/06/10 06:14 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Ken Singer, LCSW]
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Originally Posted By: Ken Singer, LCSW
Pure "blaming the victim". This guy's more of an enabler with his position.


Big difference between Victim Blame and playing Devil's Advocate as columnists do. James was given a sentence averaging one year for every victim, identified or anonymous that he is on public record as having abused, even though the jail time really related to just Kennedy. Then served what, half that? If his reputed 98 other vics came forward en masse and at once it would have been much higher, those are the facts and I've no confidence that victims 3, 4 and Fleury's charges will result in a longer sentence this time round unless times have changed in Canada.

Offenders have 100 victims for a reason, every set of parents, if they are told, seems to say "not my kid" and there isn't even a report in some cases. Then we end up with Aaron Vargas on our hands at the end of a bunch of suicides and generally fucked-up lives. Steven Stayner made a statement, didn't live to see his kidnapper get life and die in jail, didn't have to be there as his report was on file for the next time his offender decided he wanted to do the same thing all over again after his let-off for the two kidnaps he carried out and his abuse of Stayner. All this whilst getting next to no therapeutic help to speak of.

I too made my police report after therapy, like my burglar's fingerprints which they have at the station, it makes zero difference at the time except for going through procedure and ticking a box on the healing trail (or for the burglar, insurance) but if either offender ever offends again, the police can get in touch and you bet your arse I'm going to court, that's what I want and what criminals deserve.



Edited by ComicBookGuy (04/06/10 06:19 PM)
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#327560 - 04/06/10 07:08 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Deved]
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This is so fucked up. Why is government helping this guy, where is his Karmic Retribution.

God damn fucking bullshit that this fucker isn't getting his day, damnmit. I'm just so fucking pissed, just makes me feel helpless, hate that people who have connections are some how above the fucking law.

Bullshit.

Charlie.


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#327562 - 04/06/10 07:24 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Charlie24]
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I agree...I can only hope the Karma thing works...these things do take a long journey, and in fact the perp, will likely self destruct..it hurts us more to feel angry and mad...for that takes our precious energy...perhaps consider more involvement in this arena, closer to home..i am mulling that one over...how can I use my range of insanity based abuse as a strength and empower others...even if I could tell my story and let one other man feel like he is not alone.. I would feel better...a calling...a mission..fueled by these injustices...Thanks...
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#327568 - 04/06/10 08:22 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: J1]
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Charlie24: If you read the Canadian newspapers this week, you will discover that the Canadian Parole Board has routinely pardoned thousands of pedophiles over the years. It has nothing to do with having any connections. A spokesperson from the Parole Board says that they "don't consider the crime" when giving out pardons. The pardons are given out to help the ex-cons get jobs. The few people who don't get pardons seem to be murderers.

Very messed up system they have up there.



Edited by pluckmemory (04/06/10 08:23 PM)

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#327570 - 04/06/10 08:30 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: pluckmemory]
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Originally Posted By: pluckmemory
Charlie24: If you read the Canadian newspapers this week, you will discover that the Canadian Parole Board has routinely pardoned thousands of pedophiles over the years. It has nothing to do with having any connections. A spokesperson from the Parole Board says that they "don't consider the crime" when giving out pardons. The pardons are given out to help the ex-cons get jobs. The few people who don't get pardons seem to be murderers.

Very messed up system they have up there.



pluckmemory,

thank you for clarifying this for me and helping me to understand your parole board in Canada. Really messed up if you ask me. Thanks for sharing this with us and bringing this to site, we need to shine light on shit so that people are made aware. Thank you.

Charlie.


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#327571 - 04/06/10 08:51 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Charlie24]
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You're welcome. Only it's not my parole board. I live in the US. Does anyone know if the US has anything remotely similar to this when it comes to pardoning pedophiles?



Edited by pluckmemory (04/06/10 08:51 PM)

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#327573 - 04/06/10 08:56 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: pluckmemory]
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Now there's a growing concern in Canada that Graham James may have legally changed his name, according to the Winnipeg Free Press.

Excerpt:

OTTAWA - Ex-convicts, including sex offenders such as former junior hockey coach Graham James, can avoid having their criminal history checked by legally changing their name.

Name changes in Canada are done at the provincial level, and only two provinces, British Columbia and Alberta, currently demand fingerprints when someone applies.

"Absolutely it's a concern," Supt. Chuck Walker, the director of field services for the Mounties' national criminal database, said Tuesday in an interview.


http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/canada/...s-90043987.html



Edited by pluckmemory (04/06/10 08:56 PM)

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#327634 - 04/07/10 12:57 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: pluckmemory]
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A letter to my Member of Parliament sent earlier today...


April 7, 2010

Dear **** M.P.
****, Ontario

Dear Sir: Re: Graham James Pardon

Yesterday, I became aware that my wife contacted your office to express her shock, and disappointment that a man such as the above mentioned, Graham James, could receive a “Pardon” for his crimes. In so doing, she disclosed to you, with my full support and agreement, my status as a male sexual assault survivor.

Not unlike the high profile cases of Sheldon Kennedy, and Theo Fleury, I too have gone through hell to get to the point where I can even write this letter. If you had asked me three years ago if I would be writing this letter, divulging my status to a stranger, let alone anyone else, the answer would have been an unequivocal “no!” My wife, two sons and I are working very, very hard to try and overcome the damage that was done to me, and as a result, to them also. Sexual assault and sexual abuse is like a cancerous web. It’s connected, perhaps circuitously, to everything. And over the years of secrecy, shame, and guilt inflicted upon us as male victims, it grows and grows in size. In examining my life, its frequently hard to see any aspect of it that hasn’t in some way, shape or form been affected, tainted or otherwise influenced by what happened to me at the hands of a paedophile now 40 years ago.

I’m sure you are inundated right now with letters, and emails, all voicing their outrage at the “Pardon” received by Graham James. Please add my name to the list. I realize that you can do little about it now though. The horse is out of the barn so to speak. But, now that the horse is out of the barn, I need to ask you how you think the men who have been affected by Graham James, the named and the un-named, must be feeling? As a male survivor myself, I think I am qualified to suggest how they are feeling.

Right now, they are probably wondering just what in blazes has happened. Wondering why, having laid charges, gone to court, been forced to recount the most horrific abuses in painful detail, in public, acknowledging their vulnerability as men, this has all gone to hell in a hand-basket. For now it would appear that the man who committed these crimes is once again, not only free to roam this country, possibly looking for his next victim, he can now travel more easily and change his name to stay hidden from public scrutiny. Not only within Canada, but to countries that don’t know about him, or have fewer safeguards with which to keep their children safe. They are wondering why they went through all of the pain they have experienced in starting their healing, and exercising their legal options if, in the end, it does not effect some real change.

I would suggest further that these courageous men are probably feeling like they are being victimized again. That like when they were boys, they are powerless, and unable to stop what for survivors, seems like perpetual re-victimization. Once again, their sexual histories are broadcast across the nation, not as survivors, but as victims of a system that couldn’t even consult them prior to a decision being made about whether the accused and convicted man in this case deserved a “Pardon”.

Health Canada suggests that 1 in 6 males in this country will be sexually abused or assaulted by the time they are 18. 16 % of the male population. Assuming for the sake of argument that ******* has 75,000 people, half being male, that’s approximately 6,000 males in our community who have been sexually victimized. 6,000 men. And where do they go for assistance and help when they decide to retake control of their lives, and stop being victims? If your best male friend came to you and said that he was sexually abused, would you know where to send him for help? We are most fortunate that in ********, the ******* Sexual Assault Centre does provide services to men. Sadly, some sexual assault centres do not, for men are seen primarily as perpetrators. For many in this country still subscribe to the myth “if men cannot be victims, how can victims be men?”

What I am asking you to examine when reviewing the issue of Graham James, is not only the injustice being inflicted upon the victims of Graham James in the granting of the “Pardon” but also the plight of male sexual assault and abuse survivors in general across this country. As my wife pointed out in her letter, the effects of sexual abuse and assault on males affect not only those immediately involved, but also others who are emotionally attached to the survivor. Wives, sons, daughters, parents, grandparents, lovers. The list is endless.

Clearly, the system we have right now needs to be fixed so that in administering justice, the people most affected by crime, are not in fact re-victimized.

Should you wish any further information, please do not hesitate to contact me. I would be most willing to sit down with you face to face, to address this issue at greater length. Thank you for your time in this matter.

Sincerely,

Jim ****** B.S.W. R.S.W
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#327646 - 04/07/10 03:56 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Geeders]
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Strong words there Jim, hope that your words and feelings can make a difference. Who knows, maybe pretty soon they will have you on the speaking circuit???

It is great seeing all of the progress that you have made,

Mark

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#327647 - 04/07/10 04:07 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Trucker51]
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Jim,

talk about come get your standing ovation!!!!!!!! May we all have a fraction of your strength both of character and heart. Man I'm I proud to know you all over again.

Kevin

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#327657 - 04/07/10 05:47 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: sono]
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What is up with Canadian newspaper columnists?This writer for the Ottawa Citizen on the James pardon just doesn't get it. First he cherry picks some study that says that most pedophiles don't reoffend. Then he turns the Graham pardon into an anti American attack. Finally he gets all warm and fuzzy on predators and expresses concern for their rights.

My great-grandfather once owned this paper, and he must be turning over in his grave at this disturbing piece.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/opinion/Harper+plays+people+worst+instincts/2771060/story.html





Edited by pluckmemory (04/07/10 05:49 PM)

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#327749 - 04/08/10 05:26 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: pluckmemory]
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Pluck my apologies again on my part for assuming you were Canadian. Thanks for sharing this and I sure hope we don't have this shit in America.

I have one thing to say on this whole mess;

Actions have consequences.

Charlie.


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#327769 - 04/08/10 08:06 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Charlie24]
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Mark: Thank your for your support, and your kind words. I will NEVER forget how welcome you made me feel here in my first days as a registered memeber here at MS. I was scared to death, paranoid, frightened as hell. Your reaching out helped me get to where I am today. Bend down a bit so I can give ya a hug will ya! laugh

(((Mark)))

Kevin: Thank you too for your kind words. I am very glad to have come to know you too. And you have a lot to be proud of too confonting your abuser. Well bloody done!

(((Kevin)))

pluckmemory: Thank you so much for posting the press information. Its important that people know what is happening here in Canada. Be assured that your efforts have been used to further the cause!

Charlie: Its not usually this tough being Canadian. But if stuff like this is happening here, it might be wise to check in your country as well. We simply didn't know this until Sunday night/Monday morning this week. And its damned disgusting!

Jim

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#327773 - 04/08/10 08:23 PM Re: Graham James Pardoned in Canada [Re: Geeders]
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Hey Jim I hope its not too late but I wanted to thank you for writing a letter. Way to take action. Not trying to attack you or your country. I realize all countries have problems. Nobody is perfect, including the individual writing this as well.

I just wanted to jump in a give you a hug.

(((((((((((Jim))))))))))

Charlie.

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