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#326147 - 03/25/10 07:15 AM You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants
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http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/032510dnmetfbord.1dce73fb1.html

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Federal judge strikes down Farmers Branch ordinance against renting to illegal immigrants

10:32 PM CDT on Wednesday, March 24, 2010

By DIANNE SOLÍS / The Dallas Morning News
dsolis@dallasnews.com
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For the second time, a federal judge has declared unconstitutional a Farmers Branch ordinance banning illegal immigrants from renting in the city.

U.S. District Judge Jane Boyle of Dallas ruled Wednesday that the ordinance was an attempt to enforce U.S. immigration laws – something the judge said only the federal government can do.

The judge also issued a permanent injunction to stop Farmers Branch from enforcing Ordinance 2952.

Mayor Tim O'Hare, the driving force behind the ordinances, said he wants to appeal.

"The American people are tired of judges legislating from the bench," he said. "This decision is not unexpected but welcomed, because it allows us to get closer to this ordinance becoming reality."

But O'Hare said the City Council would have to vote on whether to continue a fight that has cost the city nearly $3.2 million since September 2006. And the city may need to spend an additional $623,000 in legal fees in the year ahead, city finance director Charles Cox said Wednesday.

The council could discuss the issue as early as April 6.

Council member Ben Robinson said he wasn't sure whether he'd vote to appeal, but said he still supports the ordinance.

"Illegal activity of any type should not be ignored or accepted no matter whether in Dallas, Farmers Branch or other cities or states," he said.

The lead attorney for the plaintiffs, Bill Brewer, said his law firm's affiliate firm would continue the fight in any courtroom on behalf of the landlords led by the Villas at Parkside complex.

"We've been involved ... because of the broader implications of how we are all going to live together," Brewer said. "I not only owe that to my clients but I owe it to my children."

About one-quarter of the estimated 30,000 people who live in Farmers Branch were born outside the United States. About 47 percent of the city's population is Hispanic.

In the past four years, the city has proposed a series of ordinances that would make it illegal for landlords to rent to illegal immigrants. A version approved by the council in 2006 was repealed in early 2007 to make way for another ordinance.

That ordinance, No. 2903, was approved by two-thirds of voters in 2007 but later declared unconstitutional by U.S. District Judge Sam Lindsay. The city abandoned an appeal of that ordinance in favor of Ordinance 2952. No. 2952 added all rental units, including houses, to the ban on renting to illegal immigrants.

For and against

Reaction to the decision was swift. Illegal immigration continues to stir passions, pro and con. Earlier this month, the shell of a comprehensive overhaul of the nation's immigration laws was announced by Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C.

Kris Kobach, an attorney for the city of Farmers Branch and a professor at the University of Missouri-Kansas City Law School, said the judge's ruling was expected.

"We are cautiously optimistically that the Farmers Branch ordinance will be upheld on appeal," Kobach said.

Nina Perales, one of the plaintiffs' lawyers on the case, praised the ruling.

"This is the third ordinance that has fallen," said Perales, of the Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund in San Antonio. "At some point, Farmers Branch has to realize it is not worth the financial drain or the cost to race relations in the city."

In Washington, D.C., Mike Hethmon, general counsel of the Immigration Reform Law Institute and a lawyer for Farmers Branch, called Boyle's decision "frustrating." He said he also supports an appeal. The law institute is the legal affiliate of the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which favors immigration restrictions.

Pennsylvania case

Many are awaiting a decision in a Hazleton, Pa., case on a renters' ordinance that is similar to the one in Farmers Branch.

Oral arguments were heard in October 2008 before a federal appeals court in Philadelphia.

"It is pretty clear that the way these cases are moving through the appellate courts that this is an issue that ultimately the Supreme Court will have to decide," Hethmon said.

Whether local and state officials can regulate illegal immigration is a persistent concern, Hethmon said.

"It is an enormous issue and one affecting so many areas of modern life," Hethmon said.

In Ithaca, N.Y., Cornell Law School professor Stephen W. Yale-Loehr also said he was watching the Farmers Branch and Hazleton cases closely.

The likelihood of the high court taking up the issue increases with differing lower court decisions, including those made in support of the state of Arizona over its employer sanctions ordinance.

"If there is a conflict between different circuits, then the case could end up in the Supreme Court," Yale-Loehr said.

The rental ordinance is not the only legal fight being waged by Farmers Branch over immigration.

Discovery proceedings have begun for a related lawsuit involving alleged violations of the Texas Open Meetings Act and the manner in which the City Council crafted the rental ordinance.


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#326148 - 03/25/10 07:21 AM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: Hauser]
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I feel like I'm living in Bizarro World , in which everything is weirdly skewed, perversely inverted: a parody of the reality that we normal Americans perceive.

Let me get this right:

It's ok for you be an illegal immigrant and receive food stamps and "housing assistance", it's ok for you to come here and drive down the prevailing wages and living standards for the working class in America and have your children educated by actual citizens that pay taxes. In other words, it's ok to hurt the most vulnerable citizens in this country (the working class)

But it's not ok for you as a landlord to refuse to rent to someone based one's legal immigrant status.

?

Could someone PLEASE explain to me how one becomes a Federal Judge and reach such a conclusion?




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#326150 - 03/25/10 08:06 AM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: Hauser]
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Actually, the ruling is that a city or state cannot pass a law punishing a landlord for renting to an illegal immigrant. The landlord can still decide not to rent to them, at least for now. That is a separate issue. Of course it is one step down a path either way.

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#326153 - 03/25/10 08:22 AM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: catfish86]
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Alan,

I just thought I'd let you know how impossible this is in one of those socialist european countries whose systems you dislike so much. Everyone must be registered and without being registered you may not rent...period...without having been properly registered, a landlord may not rent to you...a landlord who rents to a non-registered person is breaking a serious law, and would be found out within a relatively short amount of time, so therefore no one does it. When you move, you MUST register to where you moved...your landlord registers the fact you've left his apartment, and eventually someone would work out that you've gone someplace...well, I could go on and on. They wonder how we can be so lackadaisical about something as elemental to having order as knowing where people live. We're so paranoid of government intrusion in our lives, that we've effectively taken away much of their power for doing much of anything aside from locking up low level offenders like kids smoking weed and sexting each other rather than deal with anything real and seriously wrong.

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#326155 - 03/25/10 08:50 AM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: sono]
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I hear you there Sono.

Please note that I would not care who comes here if we didn't have GOVERNMENT welfare to subsidize their lifestyle.

Let me give you my personal experience.

The last job I had before I moved here, a cooking\restaurant job, had me working daily with Mexicans and Guatemalans. I was one of 2 or 3 Anglo-Saxon white people with a staff of over 15. I seriously enjoyed working with them. It took them a few days to warm up to me, because they weren't sure if I was willing to do all the "dirty jobs" and show up every day and work JUST as hard as they do. But eventually, they learned to love me. smile

ANYWAY, the ONLY thing that I DID NOT like about Jose, Eugene, etc, is that they were not only illegals, they were taking food stamps and medicaid for their children (In Michigan, the benefit is called "MyChild").

These guys were working in a restaurant, making about 8 to 10 bucks per hour, and getting more in welfare benefits than they were paying in taxes. Do you think they would be willing to work such subsistence-level wages were it not for these "entitlements" that we give them to supplement their lifestyle? Of course not, they would, out of sheer necessity, demand a higher wage. Conversely, the fact that these illegals were willing to work for such low wages drove down the wage that *I* could ask for by the same industry.

I don't hate illegals, I hate the system that allows them enter this country and, even if inadvertently, hurt the most vulnerable class of our citizens. Something is seriously wrong with this.


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#326329 - 03/27/10 02:07 AM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: Hauser]
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Mayor O'Hare keeps this up, and one of these days coming-up soon, there will be a majority of Hispanics in the Farmer's Branch local electorate, and then the Mayor's last name will be Martinez instead. A lot of the problem in Michigan and New York State near Buffalo is/was caused by Canadians who worked down here then went home on the weekends, especially when the Canadian Dollar was worth a lot less than our Dollar was. (I know, it is a lot harder to tell the difference between us Americans and our Canadian neighbors). Just as it is a lot harder to tell the difference between legal Hispanics, many of whom have lived here for several generations or more, and illegal immigrants. I think that one of the reasons that this law fell is a perception of, if not a good reason to feel, an air of anti-Hispanic discrimination and/or hatred among the civic leadership in Farmer's Branch, and indeed all over that part of the American southwest, not to mention Michigan too.

If you were married and you and your wife had 4 kids, you too would be entitled to any and all social benefits that our government was willing to give you. Are you upset that as a result of several generations of institutionalized discrimination in America against our African-American population, that population as a group generally consumes more in the way of social service funding a the similar long-favored group of white Americans do? 75% of all Hispanics in this country are legal Americans, so could this policy result in discrimination against Hispanic American citizens by an over-zealous community trying to take-out its anger against Hispanics as a group? Farmer's Branch at one time was a farm town outside of the Dallas/Ft Worth metroplex that enjoyed a mainly white and prosperous rural population, unfortunately for them urban growth and social demographics have conspired to drive-out the wealthier and (for generations) favored white population, gradually replacing them with a Hispanic population that the white perception is unfavorable of.

One job that belongs to our Federal judiciary or our Supreme Court is seeking to protect legal American citizens no matter what their race, religion, or ethnic background from illegal discrimination. That is why I believe that this law as it is written was struck down. In their effort to protect Farmer's Branch from an influx of possibly-illegal Hispanics potentially driving-down property values there, the local government has enacted a law that forces landlords to police rental applicants, without any safeguards to protect the legal rights of legal American citizens of Hispanic origin. If i was a Federal justice, I would have ruled against the town too.

Just my opinion as usual, Don't you guys just love these left/right commentaries? I see old Hauser almost every weekend where we laugh it up and have fun together.

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#326330 - 03/27/10 02:07 AM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigan [Re: Hauser]
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Mayor O'Hare keeps this up, and one of these days coming-up soon, there will be a majority of Hispanics in the Farmer's Branch local electorate, and then the Mayor's last name will be Martinez instead. A lot of the problem in Michigan and New York State near Buffalo is/was caused by Canadians who worked down here then went home on the weekends, especially when the Canadian Dollar was worth a lot less than our Dollar was. (I know, it is a lot harder to tell the difference between us Americans and our Canadian neighbors). Just as it is a lot harder to tell the difference between legal Hispanics, many of whom have lived here for several generations or more, and illegal immigrants. I think that one of the reasons that this law fell is a perception of, if not a good reason to feel, an air of anti-Hispanic discrimination and/or hatred among the civic leadership in Farmer's Branch, and indeed all over that part of the American southwest, not to mention Michigan too.

If you were married and you and your wife had 4 kids, you too would be entitled to any and all social benefits that our government was willing to give you. Are you upset that as a result of several generations of institutionalized discrimination in America against our African-American population, that population as a group generally consumes more in the way of social service funding than the similar long-favored group of white Americans do? 75% of all Hispanics in this country are legal Americans, so could this policy result in discrimination against Hispanic American citizens by an over-zealous community trying to take-out its anger against Hispanics as a group? Farmer's Branch at one time was a farm town outside of the Dallas/Ft Worth metroplex that enjoyed a mainly white and semi-prosperous rural population, unfortunately for them urban growth and social demographics have conspired to drive-out the wealthier and (for generations) favored white population, gradually replacing them with a Hispanic population that the white perception is unfavorable of.

One job that belongs to our Federal judiciary or our Supreme Court is seeking to protect legal American citizens no matter what their race, religion, or ethnic background from illegal discrimination. That is why I believe that this law as it is written was struck down. In their effort to protect Farmer's Branch from an influx of possibly-illegal Hispanics potentially driving-down property values there, the local government has enacted a law that forces landlords to police rental applicants, without any safeguards to protect the legal rights of legal American citizens of Hispanic origin. If i was a Federal justice, I would have ruled against the town too.

Just my opinion as usual, Don't you guys just love these left/right commentaries? I see old Hauser almost every weekend where we laugh it up and have fun together.

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#326342 - 03/27/10 07:20 AM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigan [Re: Trucker51]
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Alan, and Mark,

Well, again when it comes to working or residing it's amazing that we have such loose rules and systems. I don't know if I made it clear above, but in European countries, EVERYONE must be registered with their place of residence regardless of whether one is a native, naturalized citizen or guest worker. It's a system of order from the get go that we're lacking...and unlike much of what Mr. Reagan was talking about, THAT is something which trickles down. I guess we would balk at the prospect of keeping the government informed of our residence since that would infringe on our rights...I dunno.

That all being said, if we need so many workers who are not allowed do it legally, then something else needs fixing as well. It's not the people who are the problem, it's an archaic system and mindset.

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#326369 - 03/27/10 11:20 AM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigan [Re: sono]
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And again, I must re-iterate; I would not care who comes to this country, as long as they couldn't get government-provided "benefits".

If this single thing were eliminated out of this equation, then only people that were willing to provide for their themselves and their families on their own merits would come here.

I certainly don't want a wall on the Mexican border to solve this. A wall that can people out, can also be used to keep people from leaving!


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#326378 - 03/27/10 01:02 PM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: Hauser]
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I seriously doubt "all" of them were getting these benefits.
Also, "everyone who gets these benefits is getting more than they pay in taxes." BTW why would someone getting these benefits be paying any taxes? We want them to get ahead and out of poverty right? If they can pay tax then they don't need assistance.

This is another case of imaginary problems being used to try to enforce racist bigotted attitudes. Even if you aren't personally since you got along so well with Eugene, the whole concept of what you are putting forth is phony.

If you really believe that "these people" are being subsidized by programs for the poor in an unfair way then find out what the rules and regulations for getting benefits are.

You may not remember but not so long ago, local government was used to keep people down. And in some locals, mine being one, it still is. That is what the whole republican let the local gov movement is all about regaining that power to use and abuse those that don't fit into their club.

Making the immigrants who come here feel insecure and unsafe which is essentially what you are talking about because no matter how willing you were to work hard there just aren't enough people willing to do these jobs here. Insecure and unsafe people as we here should well know are much easier to manipulate and control. Thus we get very cheap labor and very high profits to the few who created the system.

Another thing which affects local people who might take these jobs is how they are taxed and blocked out of getting those same benefits if they do work. Somehow a part time job at minimum wage is too much money for someone who needs help to make it.
Its as if they don't want the program to be the leg up it is meant to be. They only want people better off to think its a leg up when in fact the system is setup once you are in it to keep you in it at the same level or a lower one.
I grew up this way and lived this way until I was finally healthy enough (chemical food is poison), by my own efforts to get into regular work.
Living on 8-10 bucks with a family is not possible unless one makes some serious quality of life sacrifices that includes having poor housing, no insurance, and a very crappy vehichle all of which absorbs all of the "extra" money one might be saving to get up and out.
BTW Very very very few places pay that much for dishwashers and cooks. and NO farmer is going to pay that. Minimum wage is the rule and lower if they think they can get you to work for it.

These immigrants come here because the quality of life here is better in spite of what is done to them here. Very few of them have to fear arrest and execution and they feel reasonably safe about their children. As for taxes they come out of the wages before they even see them so if they aren't paying them then its on the employer. Of course they wouldn't file, which would get them a refund as it does for most of us who had our taxes taken out, because they aren't registered. So they are actually paying more than they should. Some have balls and do file but in either case it is the employers job to take and send the taxes in.
Another thing these employers do is pocket the taxes they take out of the pay of these people because they know most don't file out of ignorance and fear the info will be used to send them back.

It boggles the mind how intelligent men like you can allow yourself to be taken by such propaganda.


I come from people who came to America from Europe in the early twentieth century when it wasn't safe for them in a lot of Europe. It only got worse with a few short breaks until 1945. The ethos we had and I always thought it national was that if you got here and worked hard and obeyed the law you were one of us. This allows that they were "illegal". Most of these people coming from the south are running from a dangerous existence to one that promises safety and an opportunity to grow, just like my ancestors from Europe did.
I don't see anything wrong with them being here. They should be allowed to be here legally but the system I described above precludes it and in fact relies upon, this fake exclusionary policy to run.

If you don't think they should be here just take a month and don't buy anything an immigrant laborer might have helped make.
You'll starve to death. If you don't you'll run out of clothing, furniture, and pretty much anything else you use to live including your car and not long down the road your computer. They are doing what your and my ancestors did when they came keeping the economy ticking along by bringing in new blood and new ideas.
Wherever these people go there is always work and improvment going on. That may be chicken-egg but I don't think so.

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#326379 - 03/27/10 01:29 PM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: kidneythis]
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Seeing it with my own eyes is not propaganda. Of the rare times that I walk into Walmart, I ALWAYS see couples with shopping carts FULL, I mean absolutely heaping-over FULL of meat, cheese, bread, soda, chips, etc, etc.

When they go to pay cashier, I see that they're not paying with a bank\debit card or credit card, they're using a "Quest Card" , then they pay cash for non-grocery items. I'm disgusted by it, because by virtue of the fact that many of them aren't even U.S. citizens, and are being rewarded for having children that they can't provide for themselves. It's disgusting.

Come here and work for a living, fine, but why should my living standards be compromised to finance the lifestyle of people who chose to have children? It's bullshit.


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#326382 - 03/27/10 02:52 PM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: Hauser]
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they are only being used by our(the)government to get there vote,when they do become citizens...it the papal way of pushing there sunday laws.

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#326383 - 03/27/10 03:24 PM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: kidneythis]
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Let's not forget to the native american we are all illegal immigrants! We should be mindful of our own histories before judging others. I'm not willing to go back to Europe where everyone is forced to register thier every movement. Why should I force others to return to their native lands after years of living here. If we insist they go home then we must return home as well. So who's going to do the right thing and leave first? Earlybird

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#326388 - 03/27/10 04:40 PM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigants [Re: earlybird]
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Hauser,
Those people you see whom you don't know the immigration status of get that stipend once a month so they go out and fill up the house all at once because its more economical to do so than it is to shop day by day or week by week.

Also I don't see how they are bringing down your status or standard of living. The money spent on the programs you feel are being abused would still be kept by the gov its not like you cut them off and suddenly get thousands in a rebate.

This is a normal part of human migration. I doubt that the costs of the things you see are anywhere near as bad a burden on us all as the pork projects our congress people of both parties give themselves and their friends.

I'm sorry you feel and think that way about the people you see every day that must really drain you to believe they are making your life harder just by being there and using our system as it was intended to be.

I hope you can find some peace and compassion in yourself for these people whose former lives were most likely made so horrible by our own governments support of a dictator who was supporting some American businessmen in taking profits from that nation w/o giving them fair compensation for it. They usually pay off the dictator and that was it. The people who objected were called communists and some were by necessity, by the company and our govenrment sends in our tax dollars in much larger portions to deprive these people of their birthright and that cost is in the multiples of thousands more than the cost of a few foodstamps. WHich BTW I don't think are given out as willy nilly to illegals as you claim because I remember startving, waiting months, for the fucking scum to let us eat.

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#326392 - 03/27/10 05:18 PM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigan [Re: earlybird]
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Before the Mexican/American War, the Spanish Empire used to occupy a large part of the American Southwest, generally south of the Arkansas River. Any Hispanics that remained in that area following the defeat of the Spanish Army had been living there longer than the white Americans that have since moved-in. There is a Spanish town in southern Colorado that dates to the early 1800s, well before early white trappers came into the area. Sure, the Spaniards were immigrants at that point in time too, supplanting the Ute, Apache, and Puebla tribes that had occupied the area for eons before that. Many of the native Americans did not recognize property rights as our European ancestors were accustomed to, they instead tended to follow the herds of buffalo and tended to roam large areas, even Wintering in sheltered places. The Puebla natives did build some large fixed living complexes, almost small towns, and also engaged in farming, which was a bit unusual. And as Earlybird has said, all of us, no matter what our race, are foreigners occupying their land, a lot of it obtained through corruption and broken treaties.

I remember a time when the southern and western Republicans were upset with any and all poor people receiving any form of public assistance paid for with Federal funds, who were mainly located in the bigger cities of the midwest and northeast. The conservatives didn't want their tax money going to subsidize a welfare state that basically redistributed wealth. Now Alan, admittedly a conservative, also doesn't want to contribute to helping anyone get out of poverty, which he sees as compromising his standard of living. Every wave of immigrants, whether from Ireland, Germany, eastern Europe, Mexico, or Asia, have all come to the US, lived in the worst neighborhoods, had the worst jobs, generally congregated together in these poor immigrant neighborhoods, where crime rates quickly soared, driving business and industry out, and generally incurring the ire and scorn of the existing non-immigrant population at the time.

Alan has been a victim of two major recessions in Michigan, his parents were victims of a couple of others there too. While it isn't unusual to want to affix blame on some particular group when life throws us another curve ball, it seems that the latest wave of Hispanic immigration has Alan all fired-up. He thinks that it is illegal Hispanics that have somehow stolen the economy in Michigan, he blames the Hispanics (incorrectly) for keeping wages low all over America, and he is quite angry at allegedly illegal Hispanics that get public assistance. So, Alan, how do you tell the difference between an illegal Hispanic family leaving Walmart and a legal Hispanic family leaving Walmart after using their food stamps there, whose ancestors have lived here for perhaps longer than your ancestors have? Just remember, in Colorado, southern Kansas, western Oklahoma, west and central Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, southern Utah and southern Nevada, and southern California, Hispanics have lived in these areas of the US longer than have white Americans.

Generally, if they are using public assistance to buy groceries with, they are legal. Now, there is such a thing as corruption and welfare fraud, just like there is insurance fraud, and corruption at all levels of government too. It may very well be that some illegals get some forms of public assistance. If you go to Canada or Europe (or even Kansas) and get in a traffic accident, and need emergency medical care, how would you feel if you were denied medical care because you were an outsider? The real problem here in America is that our government, especially the southwestern Republicans, can't seem to make ends meet without having a steady flow of immigrants to help keep wages of the masses down. So Alan, why not get upset at the people whose responsibility this problem really lies with, namely rich conservative mainly white businessmen who continue to sanction large waves of immigration just to keep their costs of doing business lower??? Everyone all over the world just wants to have a decent and equal chance of success Alan. It isn't the fault of any particular group of immigrants that they want the same things that we Americans do, it is the fault of our government and business leaders that continue to sanction and allow large numbers of immigrants to come here, even agreeing to pay a nominal sum for public assistance for a portion of the immigrant community, just to continue to enjoy paying lower wages to almost all of us as a result. Just remember Alan, with a fixed money supply, in order to have some really rich people, we also need to have some really poor people too.

Almost all of us here in America are really cattle Alan, sure, some of us have been here at the farm longer than others. But none of us control or have much of any say in what happens at the farm, all that we care about is what is for dinner. So why be upset with the new cattle Alan? American Farms needs all of its cattle in order to compete against the other farms Alan, no matter how long that they have been at our farm, they are still OUR cattle, and we need all of them, it doesn't matter what color our cattle are, just as long as they keep eating, Alan.

Here is something to ponder though: I wonder if the owners of American Farms work to destabilize their poorer competitors, thereby providing us with an ongoing ready supply of inexpensive cattle who are willing to work for less, and willing to take a lot of risk just to come here to see if the grass on the other side of the fence is greener???

Just the way that I see it,

Mark

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#326714 - 03/30/10 07:15 PM Re: You're now required to rent to Illegal Immigan [Re: Trucker51]
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I get what you are saying Mark but I have to say I'm not a bull or a steer. I am a man.
A Union man as union men were before unions were taken over by nonunion people looking to undermine them. Unions were the main bulwork against this age old system of abuseive labor control until they were attacked for being just that by calling them something else. That was one of the first things Reagan destroyed because Unions were what held the system of regulations and safety standards together. Unions watched over most of our economy and warned of the dangers of wealthy people manipulating the system.

Believe me I am a local member in SF where Union is supposed to be king and as far as I could tell I was the only union man among the guys in my local. Back stabbing and politics just doesn't cover the undermining and juvenile, rumor based dishonesty and jerry springer esque vibe of it all. It was run by a handful of men who were all drug dealers a couple years before first running for office. It seems to be a prereg for the job and they only wanted power and money. They accomplish this by selling out the men to the bosses for a price. and control the men with lies, withholding information from the membership and setting up a man here or there as an ally and giving him some power by informing him to make him seem to be on the ball. They set up the future of this corruptly run Union by not teaching the apprentices how to be union men or even how to work the trade properly, making it easier to control the place as the older men retire. All of them the Union officials and the slected men in the field were republicans doing this for political reasons and money of course.

I don't know about the other trades, but if they are anything like my local then unions are dead in SF.

So your lighthearted story with the de>


Edited by kidneythis (03/30/10 07:23 PM)
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