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#325778 - 03/20/10 06:19 PM Aaron Vargas
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#325779 - 03/20/10 06:45 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: Elad 12]
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Had my perp been alive when I remember what he did, I WOULD HAVE killed him. What really pisses me off after researching this is that the SAME prosecutor had people come forward willing to testify and she did nothing about the abuse, yet she prosecutes the boy when he kills his tormentor. I will track this and donate to anyone who runs against this prosecutor or his boss.



Edited by catfish86 (04/03/10 12:23 PM)
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#325784 - 03/20/10 08:14 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: catfish86]
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I will be donating to Aaron's defense fund in the next couple of days. I know there is a lot of anger involved in this. What do you guys think about this? When is it right to use deadly force against a perp?

I know legally in Ohio, you have to be in immediate fear for your life and/or safety or that of another innocent.

20/20 hindsight, wait until he is at your door harassing you. It is easier to make your case. By the way, juror nullification is a valid legal concept. If as a juror you truly believe the application of the law is unjust than you have a right and a duty to acquit.

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#325796 - 03/20/10 11:57 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: catfish86]
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This sounds like a good cause.

A lot of judges and lawyers haven't got a clue as to the nature of child abuse and how it happens and what happens.

Allen


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#325811 - 03/21/10 11:36 AM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: pufferfish]
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This is too heavy for me ;-(

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#325814 - 03/21/10 12:31 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: pufferfish]
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Originally Posted By: elad


If we had a kinder, gentler society, lawyers would be given a course in law school where they learn about the nature of child abuse. They should learn:

1. That it's a no-no.

2. That the child is never at fault

3. That the child was in some way manipulated or coerced into something.

5. That it's very destructive to the child.

If they gave lawyers such a course, it would take care of most of the judges, since most judges come from lawyers.

I think I still have a newspaper clipping of a judge who made a 13-year-old boy give him oral sex in his hotel room. The boy told about it and that judge was given a stiff sentence. This is the way it ought to be. If anyone asks, I will try to find the clipping.

Allen

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Edited by pufferfish (03/21/10 12:43 PM)
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#325817 - 03/21/10 01:40 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: pufferfish]
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It seems clear to me that this guy was mentally abusing Aaron with the threat of abusing his new baby. And he apparently had every intent of doing so.

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#325868 - 03/21/10 11:23 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: kidneythis]
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I think that the police that did not follow up after the other guy file a charge against the MoFo. The ones that did not "follow up" on it, they should be held responsible to some degree

maybe send THEM to prison--send a clear message that if you are in a position or job, If it is your job to protect people and you fail to do so by blatant negligence, then you should be held accountable too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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#327149 - 04/02/10 06:06 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: catfish86]
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Originally Posted By: catfish86
I will be donating to Aaron's defense fund in the next couple of days. I know there is a lot of anger involved in this. What do you guys think about this? When is it right to use deadly force against a perp?

I know legally in Ohio, you have to be in immediate fear for your life and/or safety or that of another innocent.

20/20 hindsight, wait until he is at your door harassing you. It is easier to make your case.


Aha, thanks for the State law clarification. Well I got my revenge by making my police report and then the anger went as quickly as it hit, two years ago. What was I going to do, travel the UK until I found him? And then what?

20/20 hindsight is all we have, we won't know if Vargas went back to the police after the perp made the threat against his daughter and still couldn't get any help, until the trial is finished.

Wish fulfilment of revenge is a nice fantasy, if you make it reality, you flush your own life down the pan and you do the time on top of how long you've already suffered. He's just lucky he's got family around him to help raise his daughter considering he might not get the chance.

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#327181 - 04/02/10 09:27 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: ComicBookGuy]
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I was just listening to the local news. The prosecution is offering plea deal that Aaron plea to involuntary manslaughter. That carries a sentence of 6 to 21 years. If he goes to trial and looses it's 50 years to life. He has until the 12th to decide.


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#327205 - 04/03/10 06:10 AM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: Elad 12]
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Well he killed someone, there has to be time done for that.

So now he has another tough choice to make. 6 to 21 minus time already served, he could be out for his daughter to be starting (or maybe finishing) junior high if he behaved. The downside goes way way way down without a sympathetic jury at trial.



Edited by ComicBookGuy (04/03/10 06:11 AM)
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#327214 - 04/03/10 09:25 AM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: ComicBookGuy]
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Yea, I think I'd take the deal and hope for 6 years.


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#327236 - 04/03/10 12:30 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: Elad 12]
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Of course, they will probably try to kick anyone off the jury that is a CSA survivor. The community is apparently worked up in his favor, I don't know. Surprisingly enough, the murdered perp's wife and son support Aaron. Then again, it is probable that if he gets murder 1, he may not really see his kids until they have families.

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#327519 - 04/06/10 10:10 AM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: catfish86]
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Aaron is pleading to the involuntary manslaughter today according to his sister, per the radio news this morning.


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#327668 - 04/07/10 07:18 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: Elad 12]
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#327695 - 04/08/10 01:03 AM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: Elad 12]
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Wow! That is rather unexpected. I didn't think anything like this would ever happen but maybe that's just me. wow

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#327717 - 04/08/10 08:52 AM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: WalkingSouth]
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Probably a just result. Because of the way that it occurred and that he delayed medical help, there should be some punishment, but 10 years up to life is completely out of line. Just a lesson for survivors in this situation, it matters the situation you are in. If this man was approaching him in a threatening manner, Aaron would be in a much better position of having his actions determined as justifiable. As it is in a situation where he went to the perp's house, that is why he was arrested.

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#327761 - 04/08/10 07:24 PM Re: Aaron Vargas [Re: catfish86]
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Aaron Vargas sister Mindy Galliani is going to appear on the Oprah show about this case. She will be taping this Saturday, 4/10 and the show will air April 19. Please write to the Oprah show and ask that representatives of MaleSurvivor and/or 1in6 are given a chance to appear then or at a later date. This subject needs to get into the public view.
https://www.oprah.com/ownshow/plug_form.html?plug_id=216

Also, incredibly, on Mindy's website"saveaaron.com' under resources, neither Male Survivor or 1in6 appear. Please write to: SaveAaron@yahoo.com and suggest she include both

http://www.saveaaron.com/CHILD_SEXUAL_ABUSE.php

Thank you very much.


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