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#324061 - 03/04/10 06:06 PM Condoms for 12 year olds?!
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Not sure what to make of this really. Kind of like a lot of the "sexually active" surveys. How much of the activity is consensual with girls their age?

I am sure there are a few perps out there saying, see, they are ready...



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#324077 - 03/04/10 06:59 PM Re: Condoms for 12 year olds?! [Re: catfish86]
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!!!!???!! I am sorry that makes absolutely zero sense to me.


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#324099 - 03/05/10 01:02 AM Re: Condoms for 12 year olds?! [Re: Riley]
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#324204 - 03/05/10 09:17 PM Re: Condoms for 12 year olds?! [Re: peanutarms]
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Makes sense to me, I was trying to be active then and my friends were. That was back in 1972-73. I'm sure its been that way since adolescence started to start at that age. Its not the age its the adolescence.

Adolescence in 1900 began for girls 14-15 and boys 15-16 on average. As the century progressed and nutrition improved, mostly increase in coloric uptake, adolescence steadily came earlier and earlier. In the fifties it was 13-15 on average. Its down to 12 now probably to stay I can't see how it would pay off evolutionarily to get younger.
I don't know the stats for pregnancy, but I'd bet whenever the age of pubescence was through all of history where people were free and information was thin, there was a problem with that age group getting pregnant.
These are all physical things not mental. Children today have far more sexual input than I did in 1973 so even though they don't have the mental abilities of older children they have the impulses and now the specific information on "what is expected" of them from internet porn.
So I agree that prevention methods and education for children that age is appropriate.

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#324233 - 03/06/10 11:14 AM Re: Condoms for 12 year olds?! [Re: kidneythis]
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After overcoming my initial shock, reason eventually kicked in, and here's what it had to say:

Firstly, if teenage pregnancy is such a big problem in Switzerland and simply telling kids not to have sex isn't working, then this is actually a very logical thing to do. The idea that kids as young as 12* are sexually active is disturbing, but it is what it is and since they're certainly not going to stop, providing protection is the responsible thing to do.

Secondly, see that star up the next to 12? I put it there because I can't find anywhere in the article where the manufacturer actually says the condoms are for 12 year olds. The Telegraph either made it up for the shock value, or inferred it based upon the company's statement that they were prompted to make smaller condoms based on teen pregnancy studies. One of the studies mentioned has 12 as the lower end of the age RANGE. The article says " according to a German study of 12,970 13 to 20-year-olds, a quarter said a standard condom was too large." 13 to 20, guys.

Seriously, 1.7 inches wide, 7.4 inches long? At the risk of TMI, that doesn't describe me at 12 years old, and the rest of me was certainly average for that age.

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#324234 - 03/06/10 11:24 AM Re: Condoms for 12 year olds?! [Re: melliferal]
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Originally Posted By: melliferal
Seriously, 1.7 inches wide, 7.4 inches long? At the risk of TMI, that doesn't describe me at 12 years old, and the rest of me was certainly average for that age.

...and it certainly doesn't describe any 12ers I saw at the local pool or the school locker rooms when I was that age either. Maybe puberty is striking much earlier these days!

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#324245 - 03/06/10 12:23 PM Re: Condoms for 12 year olds?! [Re: WalkingSouth]
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Mel and WalkingSouth,
7.4 inches is the total length if you roll it out all the way. I think in addition to young people they are also going after the crowd who is also long but smaller in girth.

Its a shame that there is a need for this product but if it is truly needed, better a sexually active 12 year old then a 12 year old father. I agree with Kidneythis, they see all of this and they feel like it is expected of them. Peers will think you are a loser or gay if you don't get some. All this macho bullshit is really ruining our society. To quote the "great philospher"(LOL) Popeye "I am what I am and thats all that I am"

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#324358 - 03/07/10 04:22 PM Re: Condoms for 12 year olds?! [Re: onlyakid]
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1972-73, eh? That was my sophomore year in high school, and there were a number of kids my age that had been sexually active by the previous school year in junior high school, 9th grade, so even one year earlier in development since 1972 would be age 13, I could see the need for a product designed toward early adolescents, might help prevent STD transmission too. Even by age 12 or 13 the kids in my neighborhood in suburban Detroit were playing "Doctor", by 9th grade "Spin the Bottle" was popular too. With the earlier age of sexual development these days, a product like this made in Europe makes sense, Europeans seem to have less hangups as a group than American parents do also.

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#324414 - 03/08/10 12:04 AM Re: Condoms for 12 year olds?! [Re: onlyakid]
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Originally Posted By: jtt5254
I agree with Kidneythis, they see all of this and they feel like it is expected of them. Peers will think you are a loser or gay if you don't get some. All this macho bullshit is really ruining our society.


Well, the whole macho "real men get laid early and often" thing isn't a modern-society thing; it's pretty much an all-of-human-history thing, with a few rare exceptions. When I was 13, every 13-year-old boy claimed, to his friends at least, to be sexually active. I did, too. I was convinced then, just as I am convinced now, that the vast majority of these kids were simply lying, just like I was (the abuse had ended a couple of years prior). It's one reason why studies like these we're discussing are very grain-of-salt with me.

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