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#321677 - 02/10/10 11:29 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: kidneythis]
Frog Offline
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Loc: Arizona
kidneythis,

Everything is "illicit", my friend. What I think is acceptable, someone else thinks is bad/evil. Look at religion, politics, porn, weapons, taxes and the list goes on. Since the dawn of man this is how wars and conflicts start and continue.

As for taking our words out of context, this is done everyday by those in politics, corporations and religion to protect/further positions.

As for my fears of the current situation: History repeats. And I have come to recognize the warning signs that were left by those before me.

Why would they want to question my motives for going off grid? If I head off grid, I am no longer a producer, no longer buying their products, thus affecting their bottom line. Am I just a piece of consumer meat to them?

Staying "engaged" is what has brought me to this crossroads. Have you ever wonder why politicians, corporations and ruling elite spend so much time and energy on SECURITY?

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#321700 - 02/10/10 02:25 PM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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Registered: 11/08/09
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You can beleive what you like but the line about everything is illicit is right from the playbook of those you fear. Beleiving that you are less likely to or just plain don't act on what you see is wrong and that is the intent of the idea.

As for those who take things out of context that is what I'm refering to. No one or very few people point it out or act upon it because this false idea that everyone and everything is corrupt has become so pervasive.
That is the intent of those who created the conditions to make this seem to be the fact. There has been a concerted effort to cripple and hamstring every single government agency to create exactly this false image. It is being done by the wealthy to keep the working people in our place making them more money.
Government is not incompetent at birth, it is made incompetent by those who design or redesign it. Our governemnt used to be much better at its job and more generally People/Citizen oriented. Everywhere there is incompetence you will find the source being a bad design or redesign in procedure done by those who would prefer the agency not exist to begin with. This extends to the destruction of our education system.
As for going off grid;
Generally those who want to hide have a reason. That reason is usually because they have done something wrong.
Some like myself would prefer that certain family and ex frenemies not find them and others are just loners or idealists seeking a new way to live. Like what's his name on Walden Pond.
But most often it is those who would flout the law that want to stay outside the system.
The idea of what you are talking about doing plays right into the hands of those you speak of. If you do not engage and work to change they win automatically. Political power has an ebb and flow to it good will not always be ascendent.

You do sound a bit paranoid.
I'm worried too so I'm considering going to the local Community College for a refresher on more recent computer knowledge. Other than that we just have to stand up and fight for what we beleive in, that being the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
It seems we've drifted from the general intent of this forum so I'll let it go now.
I wish you well and I hope you find a place to be happy. I recomend you build a large cistern if you do go out to your Arizona land. Somehow that concept has eluded most desert city dwellers. Water wouldn't be near so problmeatic if people all had one in each home.
It catches and holds the rain in a sealed tank for later use. Its something the Romans used quite a bit. Solar shouldn't be a problem. I think you could live nicely if you can get the right setup.

Good Luck

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#321788 - 02/11/10 01:15 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: kidneythis]
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Since I know I helped drag this one on and went on a bit of a personal rant myself, I wanted to add a couple thoughts after having let this settle a night.

I really don't know what I think about it all other than to say I fear people. I fear what they can do. As far as my data being out there, well it is and they can figure what they may with it all. I know my life and what it has been like and ultimately that is what matters. I do fear though people and what all this power will allow them to create. I guess I just have a different vision of the kind of society I'd like to live in. I suppose that means maybe I should get cracking and work towards what I want. And truth is I can't control the umpteen billions we have on this planet (okay, its not umpteen billions yet, but I do buy into the more people just means more problems philosophy; maybe I'm just one of those types that needs a little more space.)

So basically I don't have any answers other than to say that I like tech stuff a little bit but want to figure out for myself how to use it optimally for good means. I'd rather take a little but use efficiently for maximum potential. And also use the off button once in a while wink Sometimes I don't.

Eric


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#321927 - 02/12/10 08:24 PM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: kidneythis]
Frog Offline
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okay kidneythis,

"paranoia", the word, was coined to OPPRESS, to create a "stigma". The ruling class understands that the masses have a morality based conscience. They exploit this by all "means" to "justify" their lifestyles ...

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#321930 - 02/12/10 08:52 PM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: kidneythis]
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Can the FBI Secretly Track Your Cell Phone? The Justice Department is poised this week to publicly defend a little known law enforcement practice that critics say may be the "sleeper" privacy issue of the 21st century: the collection of cell-phone "tracking" records that identify the physical locations where the phones have been. It may come as a surprise to most of the owners of the country's 277 million cell phones, but their cell phone company retains records of where their device has been at all times, either because the phones have tiny GPS devices embedded inside or because each phone call is routed through towers that can be used to pinpoint the phones' location to within areas as small as a few hundred feet. Such location "logs" never show up on your monthly cell phone bill. But federal court records filed over the past year indicate that federal prosecutors and the FBI have increasingly been obtaining such records in the course of criminal investigations...

And "who" is the PARANOID one? Really ...

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A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: "Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time." When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment, "The one I feed the most."

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#322051 - 02/14/10 05:14 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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Registered: 02/08/09
Posts: 443
Loc: London, England
Can't speak to the FBI, but I know the English police and therefore MI5 and 6/SIS can also track mobile phones even when switched off.

However since that led to the solving of one particular nasty double child murder, I don't really care if they want to know where my phone is - it's not necessarily like I'm going to be in the same place every single time.

The other issue is one of commonsense, yes you dump your cellphone, you're left with the landline...so they always know where you are anyway. But it's part of my healing process to dump off the fear and paranoia I suffered in my teens and 20s which is why I don't care about my London subway travel pass being only partially trackable depending on how much you pay for it.



Edited by ComicBookGuy (02/14/10 05:20 AM)
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