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#321631 - 02/10/10 01:33 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
ericc Offline
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Yeah, and just to be clear, I'm no better (I realize my ranting sounds like I am on my high-horse and have it all figured out but honestly I in no way do; these are just things I think about at times.)

As far as the data dump, I can see that as frustrating. There is lots of information out there in regards to each and every one of us. I try and not think too much about it other than know I try and avoid adding more to it all when I can. One of my goals is to be more in control of my data and personal computing experience. Thing is, it can get very complicated because we have reached a tipping point in many ways in regards to speed, size and cost. Things now are fast, small and cheap in a way never before. It leads to that notion that we can pretty much do whatever we want with this stuff (it is all possible) but do we really want to? Some do and some don't. And I don't have all the answers. But in the end as much as I think I know about this stuff, I need the physical world more than anything. I just think a lot of people are falling for this stuff and are losing their proper sense of place in the bigger scheme of things. Of course, given the fact that I have been pretty alienated on a lot of levels for many years maybe I am jealous that now things have reached this stage I really don't have the social capital to fully participate. Nah, I'll take the real world sans the silicon bit churners if it is between one or the other. But maybe I can find a way to use a little tech constructively for good purpose and not worry about what I might be missing out on. I'm not as concerned with fitting in like I once was in the past anyway. Sure, I am a little, but not really that much.

** Actually, if I am completely honest I do want to fit in, yet on some level I don't. It is confusing. This goes back to my past for sure wanting to fit in. I really just want to be able to be myself and mostly keep my personal reality to good people though I often feel I don't deserve that. Hmm... **


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#321632 - 02/10/10 01:49 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: ericc]
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ericc,

I think what get's me so irked is that I am very, very careful about what I release, what I share and with whom ... I am a very private person ... I protect my family, friends and contacts like it's GOLD. And to have a piece of tech that violated that security without my consent is just plain unacceptable to me.

I use several different emails/proxy servers on various servers all over the net ... depending on the forum or social networking site I want to participate in ... and for good reason .... I've had data stolen before and used for financial gain of the thieves ... never again ...

I think this last violation with tech from an elite company was the straw that broke it for me ... with reports from google, youtube, yahoo all having involvement with some various govt group either CIA/NSA/FBI, plus hackers and the company itself selling my data to the highest bidder, I refuse to feed this beast any longer ... without the herds the predator will die of hunger ...

don't get me started with MySpace nonexistent security, and now Facebook changed formats and UNLOCKED privacy settings for ALL their users, which left accounts open until user changed security settings ...

I find it suspect that Google releases Android phones then months later gets hacked by china blackhats? Really? C'mon ... Default settings in Android are set to NO security for data harvesting... not to mention the Bluetooth is ON from the get go, so is GPS ... this is the worst tech since the iPhone ...

/end rant

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#321638 - 02/10/10 02:21 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
ericc Offline
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wink Dang, you obviously know what you are talking about and the specific breaches that are of concern. There is the whole "cloud computing" thing and actually I was just reading a magazine article asking the question as to how safe this really is. I think there is always the possibility of security breaches and data theft. I don't think anything can be guaranteed one-hundred percent secure.

My ranting got a little sociological and outside the scope of data getting into the wrong hands. I just wonder sometimes what this will all lead to. I don't know and I can't say it will be good or bad. But honestly I fear it sometimes. What I fear most is people and the fact that we have so many ways to says things these days but I am scared from the perspective of the bigger picture we don't really communicate. Shout at each other, yes. An even bigger worry is that all these fears come out as projections of my own past. But truthfully there is probably a little of each and I need to try and not worry too much about it.

Anyway, you got me on a roll and right or wrong I had to say what I had to say. Yes, there is a lot of data out there and these things can happen. And obviously having your phone "phone home" data is not what you want. I do fear though, given profit motive, where this could all lead. I'd like to stay human (heck, I've lost enough of my humanity with the abuse stuff and past already) and given I'm a bit attached to nostalgia I don't really know how much of this stuff I really need. A little, just not all of it.


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#321639 - 02/10/10 02:21 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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We have a different beast in the UK, it's the TV Licence. Mine's due at the end of the month, everyone has to pay it on top of their cable/satellite fees by law and whilst they don't sell the data on to companies, TV Licensing makes its own fun by acting like state-sponsored gangsters, with bureaucracy drilling down into pointless degrees (like you can only vary the start and end of the licence if you move house - going off-grid makes no difference, whenever you start paying, your old dates are stuck).

Even if the upside is a lack of ads on BBC channels except for their own stuff, I'm not worried about paying for it, but quit with the Orwellian "You Are On The Database and we know where you live" crap.

Only one UK ISP wants to monitor its users on the web so far, the rest are resisting the soon-to-be-gone Government's aim of trying to harvest every text and email out there under the pretence of anti-terrorism.

Even so I choose to have an account solely for junk mail that gets a mass delete at the end of each year - that's when I voluntarily sign up for it, the recession seems to have killed off the vast majority of spammers to my main account. I'm happy having my location on here for the spiders to see, there are nearly 10 million people in this city so they'll have a fun time trying to find me when I could fake the zip code to show me living on the other side of the street if I wanted.

Facebook I deleted - they can have my real name and 6 photos, I faked my DOB on there and pretty much any other site where I don't consider it necessary that they know. Yes you should have the right to use any kind of online account in your real name without ending up "recorded" but it's not worth the hassle anymore, all of my XP and Vista accounts have the generic "WinUser" for the account/admin names - let the adware bots attach to those, they won't get any money, and I keep my net connections wired - too many hacking opportnities when using wireless, and as my relatives are finding out with onboard wireless network cards, too flaky a signal for the biggest online updates.

So it's a balance, you can go off-grid, but it's work to keep yourself off. Since I bank online and banks have made some minimal effort to make that safer, I'm cool with where I am even after having to change numbers to get rid of a hangup stalker.



Edited by ComicBookGuy (02/10/10 02:33 AM)
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#321640 - 02/10/10 02:35 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: ericc]
Frog Offline
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ericc,

"...I don't really know how much of this stuff I really need. A little, just not all of it..."

Hence my opening post ... I came to the realization that "I don't NEED any of it." smile

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#321641 - 02/10/10 02:41 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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Frog,

I just see as tools to be use to make life easier. Like driving my car or flying.

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#321642 - 02/10/10 02:50 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: ComicBookGuy]
Frog Offline
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ComicBookGuy,

For your TV License issue, have you looked into Free-to-Air technology?

All UK ISP's currently monitor and store traffic on their network. It's how the US came to have their prolific monitoring system, it was tested in the UK where the serfs don't have a say so in what their govt/corp do ... don't ask me how I know this ...

IP addresses are matched to your ISP's account you hold/pay ... IP logging is done on most servers here and abroad ... like an earlier post here, we are no longer private on the net: 1984 is here ...

Facebook, now has me and my kids only ... I cut everyone else out ...

wireless is so vulnerable that RIAA and others are finding it hard to get convictions because they cannot prove their targets were behind the terminal ... it happens with connections that are public, like here with "free-wifi" connections offered by big business ... but you will never see "them" in court, only the serfs/common folks ...

it has also come out that cell phones are just as vulnerable to hacks, folks are getting their phones hijacked while out in public. Has to do with default settings in bluetooth and wireless connections. Using scanners, blackhats are using the phones IP to perform other more "prominent" hacks ...

I can get off-grid, but as you say, it's keeping me off-grid that is the challenge. The minute anyone steps inside range of a cell tower or wifi with a cell phone on them, you are vulnerable.

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A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: "Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time." When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment, "The one I feed the most."

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#321643 - 02/10/10 02:52 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: michael banks]
Frog Offline
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michael banks,

you are right, they are "tools". But it's those same tools that can be used by others to do harm. It's a question I ask, where do I draw the line? Balancing act indeed ....

*edit:
sorry Michael, I addressed you as ericc in my response ...



Edited by Frog (02/10/10 03:05 AM)
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A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: "Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time." When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment, "The one I feed the most."

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#321647 - 02/10/10 04:26 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
ComicBookGuy Offline
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Registered: 02/08/09
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Loc: London, England
Originally Posted By: Frog
ComicBookGuy,

For your TV License issue, have you looked into Free-to-Air technology?

All UK ISP's currently monitor and store traffic on their network. It's how the US came to have their prolific monitoring system, it was tested in the UK where the serfs don't have a say so in what their govt/corp do ... don't ask me how I know this ...

IP addresses are matched to your ISP's account you hold/pay ... IP logging is done on most servers here and abroad ... like an earlier post here, we are no longer private on the net: 1984 is here ...

Facebook, now has me and my kids only ... I cut everyone else out ...

wireless is so vulnerable that RIAA and others are finding it hard to get convictions because they cannot prove their targets were behind the terminal ... it happens with connections that are public, like here with "free-wifi" connections offered by big business ... but you will never see "them" in court, only the serfs/common folks ...

it has also come out that cell phones are just as vulnerable to hacks, folks are getting their phones hijacked while out in public. Has to do with default settings in bluetooth and wireless connections. Using scanners, blackhats are using the phones IP to perform other more "prominent" hacks ...

I can get off-grid, but as you say, it's keeping me off-grid that is the challenge. The minute anyone steps inside range of a cell tower or wifi with a cell phone on them, you are vulnerable.


Agreed Frog, you don't need to pay the licence if you're going to stream a show that's already been broadcast, and there is no radio licence, so theoretically I could throw the TV out - but I like it so I'm not worried by that, or by the fee, just the bureaucracy behind it.

Let the ISPs see the porn that I browsed, it's the 21st century top shelf and the modern update of looking up swear words in Webster's/Oxford dictionaries. We're abuse survivors already, I don't need any further late Victorian British reserve about sex to be added to that as a grown adult, I only have my own hangups to worry about, not those of some politician that I'm going to vote out in three months.

Cellphones - since Nokia cheapened their brand by having a charger port that went dead, and they refused to fix the this fault (which they class as a characteristic) for three years - I'm done with them. Samsung phones are smart, simple, show you the basic info on the front screen, hardly ever unlock in your pocket, and without frills like cameras, cost next to nothing. Because of a merger of two mobile telcos here, unlocked handsets where you just change the SIM have been at their lowest price since cellphones were invented - about 12 bucks. I just won't have an iPhone, I have a desktop computer here, my rellies have laptops. I don't need that computing power in my pocket, I'd rather come home to it and have some degree of control over hacking possibilities.

I was opposed to wireless to the point of getting out of the industry when the time came to retrain in something, thankfully router manufacturers protected their bottom line by letting you disable it and use it as a wired model. Mind you if I was that paranoid I'd be buying Cisco rather than Netgear.

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#321668 - 02/10/10 10:03 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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Registered: 11/08/09
Posts: 1558
And now I'm scared to death to even use my cell phone anymore. What's to stop someone bent on more power from using anything I say or do against me or my family?

All that I can sy to that is that it only works if you were doing something you thought illicit to begin with. Only Jerry Springer morons don't understand English or context (a much scarier problem to me since its real) wouldn't see that your words were being taken out of context.

IDK what to tell you about cloaking yourself but going off grid seems the only way to stay out of the situation you fear so much. Just remember even your motives in doing that can be brought up to question. ;-]
It isn't a black and white question so I think it best to stay engaged to keep abreast of new developments so as to be better able to protect myself.







Edited by kidneythis (02/10/10 10:04 AM)
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