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#321614 - 02/10/10 12:15 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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Maybe drive down to Bisbee, see the big hole in the ground right in the middle of town??? It is kind of an out of the way place. Maybe drive up Mt Lemmon, or head over to eastern Arizona, it isn't that crowded over there either, nor is western New Mexico between I-10 and I-40 either. Heck, Las Vegas is getting to be a pretty uncrowded place these days too!!! I like the Suncoast Hotel, way out on the west side in Summerlin, I've been going there for the last 8 years to getaway. While you are there head up onto Mt Charleston, it isn't very crowded either.

Maybe head over to California and try the road to Twentynine Palms, that road isn't very crowded either. Or take old US 66 over Sitgreaves Pass and down through Oatman, then cross the river and take US 95 up to Searchlight, Nevada, where there is a little casino and not much else. There are plenty of places off the beaten track all around Arizona and the surrounding States, just have to know where to look for them.

Mark

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#321615 - 02/10/10 12:20 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Trucker51]
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Mark, you are livin' up to your Trucker51 moniker ... smile

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#321618 - 02/10/10 12:27 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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Been there, done that, day late, and a Dollar short!!!

I heard that!!!

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#321621 - 02/10/10 12:32 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Trucker51]
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reminded me of smoky and the bandit ... LOL

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#321622 - 02/10/10 12:32 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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I think about the whole technology thing quite a bit. I like to think I understand it pretty good and know the history well enough to understand its place in time. Heck, I was just at the computer history museum two weekends ago and the hour tour I took of a certain part of the collection went over the early days, stuff I knew a little about but this was informative and learned more details. Truth is, electronic computing is really only less than 65 years old if you take when the ENIAC was publicly displayed for the first time in 1946. That really isn't that long ago. I started using computers in elementary school in the very early 1980s if not even a little in the late 1970s. Heck, that would mean I have been using computers since about half there existence and most of my life. I was sort of a nerd in the 1980s, at least I enjoyed computers and was fascinated by what they could do. I also watched the whole tech boom in the 1990s happen, and if I hadn't been so blown out and depressed and lost those years I might have gotten involved. I would have been perfectly poised timing wise, but hey life is what it is and those were some *very* tough years for me.

So I have given the whole tech thing lots of thought. And although my current job (and I am very grateful for the opportunity it gave me) is tied into a tech company, I have some reservations about technology. First off, all these companies that are pushing this stuff are motivated by profit. Plain and simple. They need you, I and the rest to consume this stuff so that they can sell more and keep stocks high and profits coming in. In the case of where I work we make networking equipment. High end crap actually used to pass through lots of data. You know what all the network vendors want? They want you, I and all the rest to get our iphones, android phones and that "next big thing" that comes along phone (Steve Jobs would tell you to just get an ipad; "greatest thing we ever came up with" - okay salesman!) and consume the h*** out of bandwidth via video. Video is a huge bandwidth hog. So for the sake of the profit motive we can all become soulless drones watching our MTV and other mindless s*** on our little screens wherever the heck it is we are at, not participating in life that is right then and there in the here and now, but just amusing ourselves to death with brain rot. But that is what will drive network bandwidth consumption, which sells equipment, which keep wall street happy, and in turn continues the vicious cycle of narcissism the human race has been on and seem to continue to be on and honestly I don't know where it ends.

Okay, that all said I like a little tech. I enjoy being able to write this. I enjoy word processors. I enjoy other things related to tech, to a degree. I just have to learn for myself what it actually is good for and enhances my life and where it is a substitute for life. Some people think tech is the end all of everything and I personally don't think they all get it (well, they get it as long as they get their ilife they want so bad.) Actually, one of my grand goals is to fight back against this stuff, not so much in pure rejection but in using it in a really cool matter. Most people who are into tech these days would have called someone like me a nerd in the 1980s, and now they can't get enough of their iphones and facebook and twitter. Truth is, all these web apps are new and anything is possible, so the lemmings get excited. It is all just some glue language on top of a database. Nothing special. It is the crowd effect at work. Some other next "big thing" will come along. Maybe the next big thing will be people realizing what this stuff actually is and can see their actual place in things, not continuing to be actors in some online narcissistic drama that the internet has in many ways become. All recorded in various databases of course. Now what if we joined life and made life better instead of being narcissists? Nah, american idol would allow it to happen!! That said, this stuff allows for some cool tools and I'd argue MS is an example. There are a few niche tools I'd like to create that I think will benefit people, but I need to put my time in to do so.

Sorry, rant galore. I bet you were not expecting that one Frog!! But yeah, I hear your concern. By the way, add +1 letter higher to each letter in HAL (computer in 2001) and what three letter combo do you get? Hint - "Let's build a smarter planet" (at the benefit to their profit motive of course.) Okay, I'm out of here...


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#321623 - 02/10/10 12:43 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: ericc]
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ericc,

IBM, WTF? They were also involved in the Nazi numbering system ... UGH I hate technology and the warmongering control freaks who use this system to control the masses who are unaware ...

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A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: "Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time." When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment, "The one I feed the most."

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#321625 - 02/10/10 12:51 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: ericc]
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ericc,

I attended military schools growing up, stepdad was a marine. We had all the latest computer stuff way before public sector. I learned BASIC programing on an Apple IIc and IIe ... Worked in the tech sector for a majority of my adult life. I am quite "knowledgeable" when it comes to tech... so much so that folks call/text/email me for help ... but in the past few years I have found some of the statements coming out of the mouths of CEO's and govt folks to be quite disturbing ... the only other time I have even heard or read of these things was from EVIL leaders bent on population culling or control ...

there have been some MAJOR security breeches in the tech sector in the past several years the MSM barely blinked an eye at ... and that is truly scary, as the breeches released tons of US citizens data to various govt agencies across the US, UK and China ...

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A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: "Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time." When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment, "The one I feed the most."

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#321626 - 02/10/10 12:59 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: Frog]
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I hate to break it to you, but the masses are socialized sheep that will buy into whatever they are sold as long as it feeds their ego needs. Just look at the ridiculousness of pop-culture and how people behave and act. Sure technology is part to blame, but you can't help fault people for being stupid self-absorbed clueless idiots. Problems is, the idiot masses have the power of numbers on their side. At least this is one way to look at things, but some could (and rightfully so I suppose) argue this is just a negative mindset that doesn't help to have. It is a tricky fine line to walk, where you try and call out what you think you might see but you don't want to become absorbed in negativity also.

As far as tech goes, one just needs to learn where the off button is and not be afraid to use is sometimes. I think a lot of people are slowly immersing themselves in tech to avoid some of life's realities. I'm not saying this is always the case, because there are good uses of tech and certainly we are all using tech to share here and that is positive. But I wonder sometimes, and I have thought lots and lots about this stuff. Truthfully, tech doesn't scare me so much as people scare me. There is a lot of cluelessness out there, and many of the clueless are adamant in controlling and shaping perception with things like technology. But that isn't necessarily techs fault, but the fault of the masses for allowing such a thing. But the masses will continue to consume whatever the producers will produce, and the producers will keep producing whatever consumables they can sucker the masses into consuming. Okay, end of rant two wink

I wanted to add that I don't always think like this but sometimes I do. I know I have to be careful with the "internalized rants" I have inside because they can lead down a slippery slope. All I know is I can only control myself and I need to control what tech I engage in and for that matter what media I allow my self to be exposed to. Unfortunately it can be hard to avoid many things given how prevalent so much is. Work in progress.



Edited by ericc (02/10/10 01:15 AM)
Edit Reason: Added a little more.

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#321628 - 02/10/10 01:09 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: ericc]
Frog Offline
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ericc,

I agree, blind sheep headed to the slaughter. I am guilty as well sometimes... I run MacBookPro, have an Android phone and tons of other tech here in the house. It was googles latest security breech that set me off. The new Android phones default security settings are set to call and sync the mothership the minute the phone is setup ... so all user data is auto dumped to their servers ... everything in my phone was sent to them, and I am quite pissed off, as they did not provide any docs with the phone and their setup tutorials were nonexistent when I bought the phone. And there is NO WAY to change the defaults unless you first setup an account with them, thus forcing data dump after it's already too late ...

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A Native American elder once described his own inner struggles in this manner: "Inside of me there are two dogs. One of the dogs is mean and evil. The other dog is good. The mean dog fights the good dog all the time." When asked which dog wins, he reflected for a moment, "The one I feed the most."

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#321630 - 02/10/10 01:28 AM Re: Back to being a hermit ... [Re: ericc]
Frog Offline
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ericc,

"internalized rants" - yup, got enough rolling around in my noggin' to fill the library of congress ... smile

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