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#318615 - 01/12/10 12:15 PM Can sex offenders be held after serving criminal s
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NOT my opinion. Posted as news for all.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/12/scotus.sex.offender.law/index.html

Again, I Have NO opinion by posting this.

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Edited by DJsport (01/12/10 04:04 PM)
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#318619 - 01/12/10 12:41 PM Re: Can sex offenders be held after serving criminal [Re: DJsport]
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I wonder if civil commitment will hold up to Constitutional challenges. But we have to continue to pressure officials to deal with potential repeat offenders.

How to deal with all those offenders who are never apprehended? After all, those are the majority aren't they?


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#318629 - 01/12/10 02:48 PM Re: Can sex offenders be held after serving criminal [Re: Brett Jay]
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Wow,

I simply posted this. My posting is only meant as information. My posting is NO indication of my emotion state or opinion.

I am close to erasing this.

DJ

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#318632 - 01/12/10 03:28 PM Re: Can sex offenders be held after serving criminal [Re: DJsport]
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Edited by Obi (04/30/13 10:16 PM)
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#318634 - 01/12/10 03:34 PM civil committments [Re: Obi]
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Obi,

Neither one of us needs to leave. Relationships are too important to be displayed publicly.

I am sorry your deciding to leave.

Donnie



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#320388 - 01/27/10 03:50 PM Re: civil committments [Re: DJsport]
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Without prejudice, I think that the civil liberties in the US, and other western countries are being eroded by police state rule!
Leave things to the courts.

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#320398 - 01/27/10 05:03 PM Re: civil committments [Re: reality2k4]
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How any regular here could care less about the rights of sex offenders is beyond me.


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#320401 - 01/27/10 05:16 PM Re: civil committments [Re: InsideTheWall]
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I know in my state of Minnesota there is quite a lot of sex offender treatment and the risk of further offenses is evaluated before release.

A big question I have is how good is the risk assessment? Difficult question I know, but there simply isn't enough money to lock up every offender for the rest of their lives. So if they release them, I want their treatment and assessment to assure me they won't reoffend.

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#320412 - 01/27/10 09:03 PM Re: civil committments [Re: LandOfShadow]
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Civil committment is a difficult issue. The Supreme Court held that the states had the right to use it and it was not double jeopardy or a violation of a person's civil rights (Hendricks v. Kansas, forgot what year it was decided.)

I've worked with a few individuals who have been able to work their way out through good treatment. Few and far between. The civil commitment people make it very difficult to get released and essentially, you are in for life after completing your sentence unless you can prove you are rehabilitated. Even then, they are on electonic monitoring and movements are pretty restricted.

On the other hand, I recently began work with a 31 yr old who, as a juvenile, molested a 5 yr old boy twice. He was given probation as a juvenile, failed to complete treatment and by that time was now 19 and civilly committed. He spent the next 17 yrs in the civil commitment program and was just released (with the monitoring). Although I've worked with a few REALLY dangerous people who should never see daylight again (and were committed), this young man has spent half of his life behind bars and didn't deserve it. (Of course, I am concerned about the effects of the abuse on his victim but he should have been treated for the offense and not put away for 17 yrs.)

This is a complicated issue and probably is best used when left up to those who are familiar with the population and when someone is appropriate for it, and they need to be isolated from potential victims. However, it also should be used judiciously to prevent abuse and preventive detention when not needed.


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#320415 - 01/27/10 09:17 PM Re: civil committments [Re: Ken Singer, LCSW]
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I always doubt discretionary power. It seems to me most of the time it is applied based on emotional content of the pitch being made to hold someone due to theoretical future victims suffereing. Which is really the guilt of those pointing it.

I'd like to see actual recidivist numbers made clear and public w/o manipulation due to fear, Then have a public discussion about the causes that make perps perps (some apparently born others made) and the treatments and their efficacy as well as what testing methodologies for "cure" there are, so we can rewrite the sentencing laws to compensate for new knowledge to eliminate the need for this extra Constitutional application of judicial power.
The idea of someone or a committee having the discretionary power to assign unlimited imprisonment scares me.
It will be a short time indeed before this becomes something that is used in other areas of Criminal Justice and not long after that ????




Edited by kidneythis (01/27/10 09:19 PM)
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