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#31550 - 05/25/02 06:49 PM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
Lloydy Offline
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Mr Tinfoil, agent provocateur.
It's undeniable that if anarchy ruled child sex, rape, bestiality and anything would be a very common thing.
But personally I think we have progressed some in 2 million years. There is isn't a civilisation or community on the planet that I can think of that lives in total anarchy. No matter how primitive, and I use the term just to differentiate between what we accept and what we don't, all societies have some standards. And I believe that the taboo of child sex and incest is universal. The standards we accept, whether in a south American rainforest or a western city are as good as we make them, and more importantly, as good as we maintain them. It's when they slip that the shit hits the fan.
You state in your post on "Yeah I went through this" that :- "Yet, the world is ours. Without us civilisation ceases to exist. Never forget that."
That's the truth Tinfoil, the absolute truth.
lloydy

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#31551 - 05/25/02 07:43 PM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
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Hi Lloydy. I was pointing out something. That we are what we are not because of some inherant Thing but as the result of eons of accumulated experience. Of what has been proven to work. Here in America that differentiates our two major political parties. One's based upon what's been proven to work. The other's based upon youthfull experimentation,wishfullness,immaturity. Together,the two represent the wholeness of ourselves thruout life's journey. The two compliment one-another. A system composed of only one of the two is insanity. Persons proudly proclaiming themselves conservative or liberal are insane. Bill Clinton and Rush Limbaugh are both playing a con game on us. The reality is most of our populace is kept in check thru systems of behavior such as laws and religion. And I'll say again that cops who've spent years getting down to the nitty gritty of humanity,they know the score. They've witnessed it all,heard it all. People like me of our generation don't often get much respect. But we're the one's keeping the World going. God help humanity when we're gone.


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#31552 - 05/25/02 08:21 PM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
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I mean,come on. This is what we're talking about. We're marketed at 24/7. "Buy this,do this,don't do that,vote for my guy,behave this way,think that way". Utilize independant conceptualizion. Stand apart from the whole. Know what is of value and which is illusion pressed upon us by opportunists.
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"Fredo was,well. But I never,I never wanted this for you. I worked my whole life,I don't apologize, to take care of my family. And I refused to be a fool dancing on the puppetstrings held by all those bigshots. I don't apologize"


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#31553 - 05/26/02 07:35 PM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
Lloydy Offline
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Tinfoil
It's easy to dismiss the youger generation as we get older, every generation does. Weren't we the "bone idle fucking hippies!" ?
I have no kids, but I do enjoy the company of younger workmates and other kids when I can, and I can't see they are that much different to our generation.
Some just go along with the system and mind their own business- they wear Nike and eat at McDonalds and go on to work in real estate. Others challenge the system, how about the "Reclaim The Street's" movement that follow the G8 conference about? Those guys are trying to change the world
Others deal drugs, rob, mug and claim state benefits.
So it's no change there then ?
This is where evolution has progressed to so far. It might be a bucket of shit, but it's the only shit we've got.
Lloydy

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#31554 - 05/26/02 07:58 PM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
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I don't know,Lloydy. Nothing's changed,as you say. Genetically programmable anyway. As a populated orb floating in space things hav'nt changed much in the scheme of things during the last million or so years. Old men bitch about kids. Kids throw tantrums claiming no-one understands them. But I think there's an addition to the mixture now. Ya gotta few people out there who see the larger picture who view humanity with a vicious psychopathy. They're in the news every day. We admire them,worship them,consider pain & loss they've suffered of far greater import than our own. Examples being Princess Diana & John F Kennedy. Was Princess Diana's death more deserving of attention than your mother's death? I don't think so.


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#31555 - 05/28/02 06:43 AM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
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loyd, the world is a lot harsher than we think sometimes. The fact is, every civilization has had to deal with child molestation. The ancient greeks actually had a custom of giving young boys presents in exchange for sexual favors. I read that the effects it has on a culture where it was accepted were not any different than where it was not, because thier was another story of a boy who, as a man, met his sponsor and then tried to kill him, on the spot.

In th victorian era in england, there were many brothels that catered to men who wanted little girls. I have read some strange literature about forced feminization of males and cult stuff, sometimes i wonder if it has a real connection to this era.

even today there are thousands of places all over the world where its going on, but people just walk away.


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#31556 - 05/28/02 01:18 PM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
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Absolutely right Broken, it goes on everywhere, in some cultures more than others. And historically it was probably more common. But I think that all cultures that have any kind of structure don't actually permit or promote child sex. Although the age of consent is a variable.
Historically there have been times when it was more acceptable, we only have to go back a short while to when Africans where being sold into slavery, but among the ruling slavemasters culture it was still taboo.
The far east is the place to go for child sex today, but it's still illegal.
I think it's a lot to do with the collapse of morality / law within the culture that allows it surface.
It's there all right, always has been and sadly always will I suppose.
Lloydy

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#31557 - 05/28/02 06:23 PM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
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Hi Lloydy. If you read thru some of the websites supportive of adult/child sex you'll see predators quoting history to justify their actions. And they're correct in that there've been times & places thruout history where anything goes. Problem is that that was then & there and this is here & now. Given time we'll be able to utilize computer-generated robotic figures representing our deepest forbidden sexual desires. Then we can go at it,sperm flying fast & furious and no-one will be hurt. We'll be fucking our robotic mothers,sisters,little boys,girls,orangutans,dogs,cats,holes in fenceposts and gawd-knows-what. Then it's back to work Monday morning,business as usual.


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#31558 - 05/28/02 06:57 PM Re: Do fantasies lead to actualization?
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Tinfoil
It's a hell of a job to sort out one mans "justification" from a pile of dogshit, always will be. And as long as people quote selective info' at you that sounds right then it's going to stick unless we have the time and inclination to dig deeper. We've only got to look at politicians and accountants, some plausible figures and a pretty coloured graph and we'll follow them anywhere !! ( they wish )
It keeps us on our toes though, sorting the liars from the good guys.
And the next time you're having a weekend like that, send invites....
Lloydy \:D

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