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#3109 - 08/30/02 03:02 PM Comming to terms with my past?
fisher Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
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Loc: Oregon
I am 39 years old and I have a wife and son of 11 years.
Late one night I received a call that has traumatically changed my life. I do not want to get into the content of the call, all I will say is that it has now made me face my sexual abuse from ages 10 to 15+ by a man next door. The call has made me look at who and what I was as a young adult. It is overwhelming the thoughts and battle that I have come to face. My wife knows everything but I do not think she can help.
I am filled with so much regret for my past. Who and what I was, feels like a person I never knew. I have allot of suppressed memories or my abuse and just the few that I have seem make me cry out with a deep, deep, hurt.
I had learned to suppress my child hood to this day! I do not remember my childhood like others can! I fear it! It scares me, and I am scared just typing these words.
When I told my parents of my past, all they could say is that we suspected something was happening.
I must say, that really hurt and at the same time made me so angry at them! (I was adopted)
What parent odopted or not, if they suspected something wouldn't act on it!
I am so pissed at them for letting me go through this abuse that has screwed me up to this day!
(enough)
This is all I can write for now, my mind is telling me to stop. Please let me know that I am not alone!
THANKS!


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#3110 - 08/30/02 03:14 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Registered: 08/26/02
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Fisher, you are not alone. There are many of us out there that are coming to terms with our abuse at a late stage in our lives. It is awful no matter when you face it, my response once I was able to bring it all to light was very similar to yours, I was so angry at my parents for not listening, I am so hurt right now by my wife not being here when I really need her. Hang in there, talk it out everyone on this site is in your shoes, some of them have been worn longer than others. Take Care Ernie

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#3111 - 08/30/02 03:56 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Fisher,

You are not alone. I'm sorry pain has brought you here. But this is a good place to share it. We all have it and are facing the same things. I'd known all along that I'd been abused, and then was abused by a priest when I finally confided in him about the childhood abuse. It's been horrible to come to realize how this has affected the way I perceive myself and others. But I'm cracking through it. It's very tough. The strength I get from coming here and knowing that I am not alone is immeasurable. There's strength in numbers. We're all in this together.

Are you going to get to a therapist?

Writing/journaling about it helps to get it out?

P.S.

I know my parents had to know what was going on. They'd been abused themselves. It's hard for me to wrap my mind around that piece of it.

JM


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#3112 - 08/30/02 07:44 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
fisher Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
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Loc: Oregon
I want you to know that the quick reply's bring tears to my eyes. I am not alone!
I know that it is taking it's toll on me and my family.
I continue to write in a journal called" How do I feel" This helps to unload emotions that spring up all of a sudden.
There is so many emotions and thoughts that go through my head it some times feels like it is to much for me to handle.
My problems with sex and sexuality, Triggers and so much more……..

What is your opinion on talking with the person that did this to me?

I am need of much help and it is taking its toll on me and my family........

I try to act like I am ok, but deep inside there is no rest from myself..........and the pain I feel.
Part of me wants to go back to repressing the memories and locking up how I feel inside!
Got to go.,......
Thank you so very much!


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#3113 - 08/30/02 08:07 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
Lloydy Offline
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Fisher
you can't go back, the genie's out of the bottle and you're becoming a survivor instead of a victim.

It aint going to happen quickly or easily, but the biggest, bravest and hardest step you're going to take is behind you. YOU'VE TOLD SOMEONE !!

Although we all have our differences so much of what we experience as adults is remarkably similar, the guilt and shame that consumes us is a badge we wear, but we do get to throw it off.

As always the advice is to find a good therapist, someone who knows, and specialises if possible, in sex abuse. We think we know the answers ourselves, we usually do, but we need to know how to look for them.

I personally wouldn't confront your abuser until your recovery is settled and you're prepared for such a major event. Help from a therapist will help you decide when it's right.

Keep coming back, there's so much support here.
Be strong
Lloydy

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#3114 - 08/30/02 11:03 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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I agree with Lloydy. Not a good time to confront your abuser. I did that almost twenty years ago. It was a relief at the moment, but had I been in therapy longer, I'd have been better prepared for the fallout and subsequent further isolation from my family. Now's not the time. All the shit from the past is like dirty laundry you've been lugging around in a big steamer trunk. It takes a long time to sort through it all, hold it up, air it out, clean some, toss some. All of it's not bad. You'll find some gems. Some you'll wash, fold nicely, and put back, 'cause now it's at least acceptable. The trunk gets lighter. You economize. Switch to a backpack. Now you're off to discover new territory. It's only really hard now. It'll get easier. Man, you've been carrying this garbage for a long time. At least put the trunk down, so you can straighten your back! There's plenty of time to sort this all out.

By the way, crises can bring a family closer together if it's handled with proper guidance. I wouldn't suggest manufacturing one, but if you find yourself there, don't make it worse and start hurling your crap at everyone.

Breath. It's Life. You're alive! You've made it! There's more alive boy in you than you know! Slowly invite him to come out. But make it safe for him. The light's gonna hurt his eyes at first, but hold his hand and just take a walk and introduce him to some nice people and things.

He'll appreciate it.

You're all great. Thank you for the opportunity to write these things. I believe it all. I really do. Believe it with me. It's too hard alone.


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#3115 - 08/30/02 11:54 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Dear friend fisher:

I am 38, married 13 years on 9-8, with 11,9, and 5 yr old boys. My wife is with me sometimes, not with me others. It's a real roller coaster ride for me. You are not alone. Join us in chat sometime. RE: confrontation: if you want to read a good book about this, "Courage to Heal WorkBook" by Ellen Bass and Laura Davis is pretty good. Gives a lot of opportunity to "write a plan". Don't go it alone when you decide you are ready, and only you will know when the time is right. Have a plan, I would not want to go into a confrontation like a lamb to slaughter. We are all much stronger than we give ourselves credit for, and we need to draw on all of our strengths to get through this stuff. (A really good therapist told me once that we can't just "get over it", we must work "through" it, otherwise the "it" is still there) I not a therapist myself, but I sure have learned alot from them during the last 6 months during which I've started on this journey of dealing with the abuse. I am not ready to confront my perpetrator yet, but I have confronted those who were his superiors. It helped some, in that I laid the responsibility for all the crimes he's committed against me, all other children, then, now and in the future, at their feet. They winced at the thought of responsibility, accountability and justice, not only from law, but from a Greater Power.

I wish you well on your journey. Be well, stay well.

Orodo

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#3116 - 08/31/02 06:04 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
fisher Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
Posts: 11
Loc: Oregon
You wrote the following:
It helped some, in that I laid the responsibility for all the crimes he's committed against me, all other children, then, now and in the future, at their feet. They winced at the thought of responsibility, accountability and justice, not only from law, but from a Greater Power.
Did you go after the person that did this to you? Legaly?
I am not sure that this would do anyone any good?
Let me know if I did not understand?

I do know that I have lost almost all of my joy in life.,,,,,,,,,, My wife sees it and she does not know what to do about it. I guess that makes two of us.........
My wife has been my very best friend through all this. She has been there for me even if she does not know what to say or do.
There is alot I can not or will not talk about, but one thing I know that I am not the same man I was over a decade ago.........
Thanks for your impute,,,, A little self medicating with JD to help me sleep........
Thanks again to all of you!
Fisher!


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#3117 - 08/31/02 04:45 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Registered: 07/15/02
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Loc: Milwaukee, WI
Hi Fisher,
I'm in AA so self-medicating with JD is not a solution I can reccomend.

On the NOMSV home page you will find the site map. If you go to the Site Map, then to Adult Survivors page there is a link there to an article by Ken Singer on Disclosure and Confrontation. It has a lot of good ideas from a professional on this topic of confronting the perp.

I hope Merrill is not doing the same thing to some other little guy as we speak. He needs to be put away where kids can be safe.

You are brave to tell your story. Now, you can begin to heal. You have broken the silence in a big way. There are several good books you can read and sticking with this forum and the chat room, is a help.

Peace to you.

Bob

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#3118 - 08/31/02 09:54 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Registered: 04/13/02
Posts: 1332
Loc: Wyoming
Hi fisher,
Just wanted to let you know NO your not alone.....I'm 34 and have just started dealing with my past........good luck...keep posting....the guys on here are the greatest....we are here for eachother.....oh...check your privite message's I left you one......see ya later.

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#3119 - 09/01/02 10:59 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Fisher,

There is NO DOUBT that you have people here with whom you can empathize. In fact your need for it is one of the common bonds I think. I actually just posted to someone about this...at least you have your wife who is your confidante. Some of us (as I) don't even have someone with whom I can vent. In the grand scheme of things, I think ALL persons whether abused or not really goes through the ups and downs. We ALL have our problems even those non-abused with seemingly perfect lives (heck, honestly...not to sound pompous, but some looking at my life [since very few know about my abuse] may think it's going great). While the tendency for us abused persons is to engage in self-pity (which is fine once and a while because it allows us to get all of our emotions out--heck, I just did and cried like a maniac), I think that ultimately when we realize that EVERYONE has problems and may even be worse off (some are abused, AND poor, AND have no one to turn to, AND have gotten into addictions, etc.,). I mean, looking at your life...well, it seems to me that you actually have a good one. About 15 years younger, I can only hope that when I am 39 I will have someone with whom I can confide in and a family. Please don't misunderstand, I know that our abuse is certainly a "bad thing," but all I am saying is that we have to look past our our pain sometimes. When we realize that others are also in pain, we may be able to come to better grips with our own (at least little by little). Well, that's it. Take it easy.


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#3120 - 09/02/02 03:44 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
Wuamei Offline
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Fisher:

Clearly you are not alone. I'm new myself, but I believe we're in a good place here.

My parents & family not only covered up the multiple types & incidences of abuse I suffered thruout my childhood & well into adolescence, but my mother in particular was the primary perp. She is also the only one I could easily confront person-to person now; the others are dead or whereabouts unknown.

Most of this I had either suppressed or dissociated from, vaguely remembering some things but not relating them to myself; I just couldn't. Only in the last year or so have things really begun to come out & come together thru counseling about, among other things, my own sexual problems--and I'm now 45.

Before this happened I had begun to renew a relationship with my mother, who for reasons I wasn't sure of I had avoided contact with for some time. Now I know why.

So my current course of action, which may be permanent, has been to again break & avoid all contact with her.

My counselor has helped a lot. He assures me that if I need to confront my mother, it need not ever be done person-to-person. He is encouraging me to work into this thru meditation & prayer.

At some point if I believe I need to & when I can, I will have one or more sessions, probably with him there, in which I will in my mind go thru a dialogue of confrontation with my mother. Not ready for that yet.

Also, I've been encouraged to write a letter to her, not necessarily to be sent & possibly ongoing, where I just vent & unload my feelings & everything. Started that, but wasn't ready for the pain & had to stop. I may start back on that one soon.

I find writing things out, even in posts like this one, helps me a lot. I agree with others here that journaling is a great idea--one I've slacked off on & need to get back to. It helps me sort things out & keep them together.

Everyone & their situation is at least a bit different. Some may need to confront person to person whether face to face, by phone or by mail. You may be one of those persons, if not now then in time; I might as well, tho I doubt it now.

Another helpful point my counselor made is that my issues are primarily with my mother (and others) back then, in my childhood, as she was in the past. Really, I can no longer confront that person personally. She's not there anymore, really.

In fact, in my situation, its almost certain my mother would either not remember, deny it, or downplay it, none of which would do me any good. I know this from previous talks (or attempts to talk) about the abuses of others against me.

Also, I agree with The Dean about self-medicating with alcohol. Been there done that, with other drugs too; still doing it with food and other things I won't get into now. It doesn't work for me, and I haven't seen anyone it does work for. Neither does trying to suppress things again, even if you could, which as Lloydy said can't be done.

Trying to suppress or ignore feelings & issues just leads to them being expressed in other ways--like addictions, compulsions, physical symptoms, psychological symptoms--all of which I still struggle with in some form. This of course just multiplies your problems.

Wow this has gotten kinda long. Writing it is helping me, becuz I've been neglecting my recovery a lot again lately. I hope some of it may help you too. At least you should know that you are certainly not alone.

Peace

Wuame

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#3121 - 09/02/02 06:33 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
fisher Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
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Loc: Oregon
This has been something in my life that I have suppressed and or hid from even my own self and my wife until now.
What has been happening ever since I have let this surface in my life is far from pleasant. I am now having trouble in my sex life with my wife. Just feeling insecure and acquired sometimes even scared! I try to explain myself and how I feel to my wife and she tries to understand but she is still frustrated. I know for a fact that she loves me and I can only expect so much if anything at all.
Another thing is that not a day goes by now that I do not remember what happened to me and it causes so many feelings of regret, disappointment, depression, anger, and the question WHY ME!
One of my friends that I have known since we were 5 years old, told me I should legally peruse him. In fact, my friend called the man that did this and we have him on tape admitting regret and that he did not mean to hurt anyone. He also admitted to molesting 3 other boys in the court. (I new already). I could not talk to him and my friend is very pissed that I want do anything! (Inside there is a reason I cannot!) Shit this sucks!
Society will only let you tell certain things and not others! I am afraid I will have to go back and face my past, which seems so long ago and looking at a person that I am not today!

Fisher


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#3122 - 09/02/02 07:32 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
Lloydy Offline
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fisher
I know where two of my abusers are, not very far away. But I can't do anything about them, I don't even know if I could - it ended 34 years ago.

But it's never felt right to me to pursue them, no matter how far I go with my recovery or how much I hate them, I can't do it.
Revenge is something I have done in my dreams, maybe a new fantasy ? but I can't do it.
I've had secret revenge on other people for a lot less, much to my shame. Would I feel the same ?
I don't know.

I don't think I want the uncertainty that naming and shaming them in court would bring, my word against theirs. Would they bring the rest of the gang back together and lie in unison like they did before ? I think so. I couldn't do all the police stuff, the lawyer stuff and the general exposure stuff in the local press.

You're right fisher, this sucks. I feel guilty for not being able to do it, I feel that what I've said above is a list of excuses. But I know they're not.

the thing I fear most is reading their names in a Sunday newspaper. Reading a childs name as well.

That's why I have so much respect for all of those brave people who do stand up and be counted.
I also understand why some of us can't do it.

What I don't understand is the answer.....
Lloydy

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#3123 - 09/02/02 09:39 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Fisher:

My first perpetrator was a priest, who was later laicized, after having been moved around the entire Diocese, after having abused several dozen other boys, and he was then sent for "treatment". The Church has told me that he left on his own, but I know that in fact he was kicked out. He lives right next door to the Church where my abuse took place now, in the same town where I was born and raised, and am now raising my family. I can't stand to know that he still is out there, possibly continuing his previous behavior, and not being held accountable. The Church refuses to publicize his name, or the names of any other priests or ex-priests, citing the rights of the "accused" to "due process". The Bishop held a "listening session" during which he heard from 12 different survivors of clergy abuse, male and female. We all told our stories, and they listened. I have an attorney, who advised me not to participate in the session. My participation was for my own benefit, not for that of the Church Leaders. The Leadership simply said "it's in the District Attoreny's hands now." Of course, the statute of limitations is expired for my case, and the DA will not press charges. So now, the next step is to have this perpetrator caught in the act, or find a survivor who is within the last 7 years, who will be ready and willing to come forward.

I'm sorry to ramble on, but it's helpful to me to write it all down again, like others have said here before.

I am so lost. All of the answers are supposed to be right here inside of me, but I can't find any of them. I don't even know what questions to ask anymore. I'm so tired of it all. I just want it all to go away. I never asked for this, I did not deal with it for a long time, and life seemed ok back then. Why did all of this have to come back to haunt me? Why am I the one who has to be the one to take some action? Doesn't anyone else see the perp for what he is? Am I the only one who sees the suffering he's causing? Why do I have to put my everything on the line to make it stop? Please make this go away. Make him go away.

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#3124 - 09/03/02 10:46 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
fisher Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
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Loc: Oregon
Will this every end! I want to tell the whole story but I cannot! It feels like such a long time ago..
THIS SUCKS!
How can you be free from this nightmare that never seems to go away!
Ok, I'm getting angry! Very Frustrated! Fuck society and allot of our parents that find it easier to live in denial and act as if it's no big thing...as I my parent said " you need to forget it and move on...to that I say Fuck you Mom!
There is allot of us kids that have been sexually abused and as far as I can tell a chain occurs in allot of sexually abused kids!
It is a wrong thing to take the innocence of a child away and twist there insides! It feels like I will remember this for the rest of my life and I just want to have my life back! To feel confident in who I am.....! What I am... and to have joy and an appreciation for life!
Shit,,,,What the fuck is wrong with me!
Ok, getting very frustrated and have to go! To much swimming around in my head!
By for now!


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#3125 - 09/03/02 02:33 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Registered: 08/29/02
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Loc: LA
Boy do I hear you guys. We're all at the front end of recovery, climbing out of the dark, even accepting the dark for what it is. It used to be that I had good days and bad days - now I have good moments and bad. Just came from a biz lunch where I had a panic attack right in the middle of it. That was pleasant.

There's so much talk out there from the books and the therapist and our brothers here about trusting the healing process and facing it all and giving it time. In my heart I know that's true, or for Christs sake I HOPE it is. But the constant pain, guilt, fear, tension with loved ones, anger at those in denial, on and on and on and on....

Three or so weeks ago, my wife and kid were out of town. I had stopped drinking heavily at xmas when I decided to start therapy and face all this shit. Felt good this night. Bought a magnum of white wine (bad sign). Puttered around the house, drank the whole bottle, then stood in the shower with an extension cord tight around my neck for about twenty minutes and laughed at the ease with which I could kill myself. The relief. The necessity. the stupidity of my life. Then I called a prostitute and had sex with her in my bed. Me and my wife's bed. Passed out and woke up feeling...not so bad. Not so guilty. Not much of anything. Been faithful through ten years of with her.

Okay so I shouldn't be drinking. Fairly obvious. But where the fuck did that sideblinder come from? What is with our make-up that makes these past traumas cause us to despise ourselves with such force? Why is there something in me demanding my destruction? What does it mean to be all right? No guilt? No shame? No self-hatred? I think the hardest thing for me to accept, to face, is that like it or not this is who I am, who I have been most of my life. We're here once and at this date, at 37, this is the story of my life. Not what I thought it was, not what I worked towards being, but what I am. End of story.

What I want back I can never have. My childhood, my teens, twenties, thirties. Gone. What do I get at best? Relief from the pain after god knows how long suffering through the recovery. If I'm lucky. If my wife doesn't leave me. If I don't accidentally fuck my kid up by just being the freak that I am. If I can continue to afford the therapy - which is debatable. Relief from the pain. Yee-ha.

As the old TV commercial used to say: Thanks for the gumball Mickey.

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In every Infant's cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear.
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#3126 - 09/05/02 04:04 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
fisher Offline
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Registered: 08/30/02
Posts: 11
Loc: Oregon
Hi everyone!
I just wanted to say thanks for all the impute. There is so much to digest and I find myself reading over all the past comments, even my own.
Things are going ok.......
My wife and I are having a hard time and I am affraid that it is taking its toll on her.
I am trying to act happy and not let her know that not a day goes by without me thinking about my past and the person I was.
I offten ask myself if I will ever feel ok about myself and if this will be something I will live with until I die.
I feel so fucked up and there seems to be no rest for me anymore. Do I fogive? Am I fogivin? Fuck, I don't know anymore!
I feel as if I am starting all over again inside. I never had a normal child hood, I never expiernced common sexual growth. I am fucked up and to that I have nothing to say.
I to would like my child hood memories to be ones that I can remember. Not ones I can not because some man took them from me and locked them in a box inside me that I can not completely open myself.
When I hear a friend of mine talk about growing up in the court, It makes me feel ahsamed, dirty, and I run to a place inside that scares me.
I have never fully opended the box of memeories that this man had done to me between the ages of 10 to 15+!
He fucked me up for life and I hope and pray that I once again will be able to enjoy life.
For now I am a tormented man inside.
I hope that It will not allways be this way!
Thanks again guys!


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#3127 - 09/06/02 12:26 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
Wuamei Offline
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Fellas,

I'm empathizing with, thinking about, and wishing the best for all of us.

Yeah, I really get pissed off about this whole mess--a lot. So do my wife & kids.

I mean, I have CPTSD, FM (fibromyalgia), severe depression, OCD, sleep disorders, allergies, relational problems, and only God knows what else. All becuz my damn mother had to make me her surrogate husband! Becuz my father incested me as an infant & my stepfather beat me with a belt! Becuz my mother sold me like a damn prostitute to a homosexual couple who were supposed to be "friends." Becuz I had to be a father to my handicapped brother, then watch my mother take him off to an institution, then abandon me too!

I'm in almost constant physical & emotional pain & numbness; I can barely work part-time. Nothing seems to be helping much right now.

And this 9-11 anniversary upcoming is really hitting me hard. Tho I wasn't at Ground Zero, I was born in Manhattan & my family roots are there. My earliest abuses happened there. No wonder those terrorists' attacks knocked the shit out of me last year! That's when my flashbacks & memories of abuse started coming. That's when my FM flared up. Now it's all happening again. Man this really sucks!

But you all know that! One thing that is helping is to be here posting & part of this brave group of men. A forum like this for men is rare & I value you all a lot already.

I'm also dealing with 9-11 anniversary thru involvement in some related community & church services. It's helping.

As for my so-called life in the past, my counselor and I are really beginning to work on this. This week I am beginning again to meditate, pray, journal & letter write. Monday, I will go to my counselor & meet with my mother--not physically, but as he says, it will be very real--with him as guide. This is tough but something I've been needing to do.

Like many of you I cannot now face my mother person-to-person, and have many reasons to believe it may never be a good idea. But I can face her in this safe & controlled way. I can only know if it will help if I try it. I am believing that it will. It will probably take multiple sessions. But it will be worth it.

Maybe that's an idea for some of you who feel you have to confront (and please for your own good be sure you really have to, and that it's not someone else pressuring you to do something you maybe shouldn't). Just a thot.

Also, journaling & other writing can be very therapeutic. I'm (again), as part of my process, starting a letter to my mother. It will not be sent, and will probably be ongoing. I have a friend who has been writing one for over 10 years--and he sees & even has somewhat of a relationship with his mother.

Feedback & insights are welcome. I'm especially wondering if anyone else is struggling with 9-11, especially in relation to your abuse issues.

Thanks & Be Well

Wuame

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#3128 - 09/07/02 08:42 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
George Offline
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Hi Fisher,

There are a bunch of stages you go through in dealing with the S/A, one of them Anger. I do remember mine, your post reminds me of what I was feeling.

One of the ways I coped through the years was to just about stay invisible to the out side world, not draw any attention like displaying anger.

In the begining I went to the apt of my abuser {uncle} who I had not talked to in over twenty years. I just wanted to ask him why, why me, I wanted to know what he thought of his decision now. I was scared the whole time driving there & walking to the building. A unexpected change of heart came over me, I was suddenly in a fit of silent rage within myself. All I can think of now is thank God he wasn't home to answer the door, for I know that I would still be sitting in jail now, that I'm sure of. I have never been a violent person, I hate even loud arguing, but I know that I could've easily of strangled him with just my bare hands, I was so besides myself. I would suggest not to confront your abuser till you have dealt with all of the mess, when your in an ok place. Most of all, never do it alone. What I found to help me was to report the abuse to the county prosecutors office. Sure, it was a scarey idea to go down there and tell some strange guy what was done to me, but I got through it ok. I even felt really good about myself leaving there, that I finally stood up for myself, put the shame on him. Even though too much time had passed to charge him now, at least he's known to to the law as a pedophile. Best yet, he knows they know it too, now he can live with the monkey on his back.

Your wife... Like mine she will never fully comprehend the depths you've been hurt & scared. My wife has whats got to be the biggest heart for compassion and she still didn't "get it". It wasn't till after I let her read some of the stuff I was writing & reading on the net in pages like this one did she see that niether I, nor she are alone in this. It was good for both of us that I included her in as much as I could. She even went to an abuse seminar with me. Basicly, you have to educate her as well as yourself when learning to deal. It helped alot for us.

Just yesterday we were talking and she said that In the very begining she was hurt that I couldn't confide in her, that I had to involve other people instead. That now she sees that she was too close & involved to really help back then. Yeah, back then her pain about all this was an extra burdan for me aswell, but we've both come out doing very well for ourselves now.
You can have a happy & healthy marriage again, infact getting through it together can make it an even stronger bond.

Its been over four years since I started dealing with the abuse, it took me a year and a half to wake up one morning and realise that "hey, I'm feeling & doing pretty good, that maybe I'm even over it". It just takes time, but you're already on your way to healing.

-George-


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#3129 - 09/10/02 03:49 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Ok,
I just have been fighting with my wife! My brain works so much different than others!
I am fucked up and I know it!
I drank a little tonight.......not good!
My wife is a good person and I think that what happened to me, and who I almost became, and what I feel inside today,,,is taking it's toll on me and my marriage. It sucks,,,,,,,I do not want to loose my family over this!
Is part of healing destroying what you have.....ok, I know that I should not have been drinking for that ......I say.... Shit!
Monkey on my back?????????? Should we seek revenge and hate?????????
Fuck, I better go sleep it off for know ;........
My life has been a living hell going through this and I do not know how much more I can take of this thing called life!!!!!!!!!!!!
I wish I could go back to the place of denial and I wish with all my heart that I never looked back at what happened to me and the things I have done in my early twenties! Forgive Me now!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks
Fisher.................


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#3130 - 09/11/02 02:37 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Sorry to anyone who read my last comment and was offended by it!
My life seams to be a roller coaster of emotions. Up, Down, Angry, Sad and more!
It a fucking war raging inside my head!
I am trying so hard to maintain a nomal and positive attitude.......through all that I am facing! If my wife only knew how I strugle with my past each and every day.......
I did not ask for this fucked up man to fuck me up! Sometimes it all seams to be to much!
There is so much insite as I look back at what had happned to me from the ages of 10 to 15+ as I equate that to the effects it had on my early adult life.
Now that I am older, it pisses me off as if I have to start my life all over!
I do not undertand it all but what I have come to understand for that I am grateful!
My Prayer:
Oh God, please helo me to cope with my past and to be a loving husband to my wife and son.
Help me to learn what I want to learn and to understand what I need to understand.
For now it seams like I am on a dark sea being tossed back and forth with now light house in site. Please oh lord, grant me peace inside my own self. Grant me peace that I may share it with others. Grant me insite, that I may come to know what I need to.
Amen
"Why did I just write that? I don't know..my heart told me to......
I wish that the man accross the street never did the things he did! I wish that he never minipulated me into thinking that I was wrong at such a young age. To become a teen ager and ressel with suicide and drugs to num the dirty feeling inside.
Oh how I wish this was all a bad dream........
I do know that as long as I am breathing I will keep on trying! I will not give up and long for the peace I so despritley need.......
I thank all of so very much for even taking the time to read this.........
Fisher


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#3131 - 09/11/02 11:05 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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we're here Fisher. And we can all relate. It is hard. Sometimes it's easier, there are breakthroughs, and sometimes it just feels impossible. I'm right there with you, feeling the isolation from your family - how could they ever really understand what you're going through? But I'm sure they love you and want you to be well. And you will be well.
peace, fisher.
-Al

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In every cry of every man,
In every Infant's cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear.
-William Blake

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#3132 - 09/11/02 11:43 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Fisher Friend,

It seems horrible where you are. Have you explored (healthy) ways to ground yourself? When I'm where you are, that's what I need to do most 'cause I start floating in a million directions. I don't mean to be trite; I know it's hard. Sometimes, something as simple as holding and sipping a glass of icewater grounds me enough to pause and sort through the most immediate stuff.

I'm sorry you're having a rough time. Keep coming back here.

JM


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#3133 - 09/11/02 12:41 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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fisher
somedays we're up and others we're down, and the further we progress the bigger the gap seems to be.

When we've done some work and had some success with our recovery we feel good, as we should so rightly do.
But then along comes some incident to knock us back and we have further to fall, and we have an understanding of what is happening, so we're even more pissed off.

But we get back up again, why ?

Quote:
I do know that as long as I am breathing I will keep on trying! I will not give up and long for the peace I so despritley need.......
That's why.........
Lloydy

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#3134 - 09/11/02 02:13 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Dear Fisher,

Keep posting. And keep reading what you have written. You will find great strength in your own words. This is some of what you have written, and I have added some words. What I have written is what I KNOW. You may not believe it just now, but it is true.
Quote:
I am not alone!
No, you are not alone. And what you are feeling and thinking and going through can be endured. Keep letting it out, and keep asking for help.

There is alot I can not or will not talk about, but one thing I know that I am not the same man I was over a decade ago.........

I am afraid I will have to go back and face my past, which seems so long ago and looking at a person that I am not today!

None of us is the person we were years ago. Many of us regret things we have done, and that is a good thing. It shows we have grown and know better now. I have much to regret also. But I know that most of the things I regret, I did under the influence and control of the after-effects of what was done to me. When those things happened, I could NOT do otherwise as I unconsciously tried to reconcile my Normal Human needs and desires with the twisted perceptions and feelings that had been imposed upon me. Some of the most hurtful things I did were a matter of self-preservation, of my sanity, if not my very life.

I offten ask myself if I will ever feel ok about myself and if this will be something I will live with until I die.
You will feel ok about yourself and about life again. It takes time, and work, and there will be low points, but it WILL happen. You will always remember, but in time, it will be merely another biographical fact about you.

Do I fogive? Am I fogivin?
You are forgiven. For what it's worth, I forgive you and I'm sure the other guys here do also. Now you must forgive yourself - While you may have been the "Actor" in the things you regret, you were NOT the "Director" or the "Producer".
As for whether you should forgive, that is something you must decide eventually. I will only say that I have come to realize that forgiving another can be more ABOUT, and more FOR the FORGIVER, than it is for the forgiven.


He fucked me up for life and I hope and pray that I once again will be able to enjoy life.
For now I am a tormented man inside.
I hope that It will not allways be this way!
He hijacked your life for many years but now you are taking it back. You will be able to enjoy living and being again.
You feel tormented NOW, because you are feeling the emotions you repressed for so many many years. They are the emotions of a frightened, vulnerable, angry child and they seem alien and inappropriate and definitely unwanted. They are none of that, they are normal and necessary and they will recede by facing them and accepting them.


Another thing is that not a day goes by now that I do not remember what happened to me and it causes so many feelings of regret, disappointment, depression, anger, and the question WHY ME!
There is no answer to that, "WHY ME!". Regret, disappointment, depression....Well, I keep telling myself this, "I've given up hope of having had a better, happy childhood and life." Now I can concentrate on creating happiness in my present and for my future.
ANGER - a good thing. Just make sure it is directed where it belongs. Don't turn it on yourself, because that leads to depression and addictions. Don't turn it on your loved ones, because that's cutting off your nose to spite your face. In time, the anger will change also. It could become a great motivator to LIVE fully and fearlessly. Or to help prevent abuse of others.


Is part of healing destroying what you have
Sometimes the answer to this is yes. If what you have is based on secrets and lies, then it probably should be destroyed or just forgotten. But hold on to, protect, and nourish what is based on Truth, and Love, and Beauty.

Forgive Me now!!!!!!!!!!
You Are and Will Be Forgiven

I do not undertand it all but what I have come to understand for that I am grateful!

I do know that as long as I am breathing I will keep on trying!
Some things you may never understand. I have spent decades trying to remember and understand every single detail, feeling, and action. I thought if I knew it all, it would make sense, I would see a reason AND a purpose for what I went through. I let this search take up far too much time, too much energy, TOO MUCH LIFE. Try not to do the same.
Fisher, I heard the exact same thing from my mother:
Quote:
" you need to forget it and move on..."
I had the same reaction, for many of the same reasons. But now, one year later I've thought about this a lot. I thought of the things she has lived through, the Depression, World War II, the death of an infant child, early widowhood with four children still in grade school.

So I went back to her and we talked again and we cleared this up. You don't forget. You never forget and sometimes, even 50 years later, you see or hear or smell something, or you just remember, and you are right back there again.

But you are not there. You are here. And you are alive. And that is a good thing. It is the best thing. Sometimes, this is the only thing we have to hang on to. Then we carry on from there.

Hang on Fisher. We need you. Your family needs you.

Donald

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#3135 - 09/11/02 07:16 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Great words Don. Words to live by Fisher. Things will get better.

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In every cry of every man,
In every Infant's cry of fear,
In every voice, in every ban,
The mind-forged manacles I hear.
-William Blake

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#3136 - 09/12/02 06:10 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Fisher,
CA Code of Civil Procedure:
340.1. (a) In an action for recovery of damages suffered as a result of childhood sexual abuse, the time for commencement of the action shall be within eight years of the date the plaintiff attains the age of majority or within three years of the date the plaintiff discovers or reasonably should have discovered that psychological injury or illness occurring after the age of majority was caused by the sexual abuse, whichever period expires later...

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#3137 - 09/15/02 04:00 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Registered: 09/11/02
Posts: 28
Loc: new york state
Fisher,

Pain and fury. So much pain and so much fury. Do you have ways to be hurt/sad or angry? I cry a lot in my bed alone when I am hurt. I have a punching back, and I punch the fuck out of whoever I'm angry with. I've found that even in moments when I'm not angry, if I just start hitting that bag, I feel the solid steel cone of fury rise up within me, and I punch that bag until my bad back makes me unable to continue.

Nobody in my life is even close to understanding or feeling what I go through. The most intelligent, emotionally sensitive person is incapable of fathoming this experience without feeling it themselves. The intensity of agony, shame, killing fury, deathly fear. The girlfriend I was living with, who loved me and is smart and sensitive, kicked me out.

All my mother can say is, "Why do you keep dragging up the past?" and "When will you get a job?" I told my mother I was abused by a friend of hers a few years after it happened, and she did nothing. And now, she denies that I even told her, although other members of the family remember the other things that also happened on that day. My mother saying this only made me feel worse--more pain and more like a freak. And it made me hate her. "What a bitch! Fuck her!"

I have been supported through this time by these books:

The Courage To Heal, by Laura Davis and Ellen Bass
(Someone recommended this book up above, and it is essential.) In particular, start with finding a safe place to feel, and finding ways to express your pain (crying) and rage (hitting a mattress). Includes a section on family members and partners.

Allies In Healing, by Laura Davis will help you and your wife work together on what's happening and may contribute to the preservation of your marriage. It will help her understand you, you understand you, and you understand her. Also helpful for retrospective understanding of all your relationships.

Sexual Healing Journey, by Wendy Maltz. Helps figure out what's going on with sex, including with partners.

Victims No Longer, by Mike Lew.

Drama of the Gifted Child, by Alice Miller. Best book on therapy in general and from the way your parents raised you.

These books are always there, supporting me, helping me understand myself, and helping me be understanding of myself. Before finding this forum, they were the only contact that I had from another person that was supportive of me.

I drink alcohol or eat also, but I've figured out that it's because I can't accept exactly how much pain there is and I turn to pain-numbing substances and activities (shopping, working, masturbating). Just stopping and feeling the pain, or crying, works. Feeling the pain intensely and for as long as it takes. Then I don't need a drink. After working through it a couple of times, I began to believe it, and now, when I start to hurt, I just hurt consciously as an almost reflex reaction. I can even do it when other people are around, or while carrying on limited activities.

Identify all the things you do when the emotions are too much and you're desperate. That is the best time to learn to ask yourself, "What am I feeling right now?" I almost never know what I'm feeling. Well, except that I can assume that I'm always feeling anxiety.

"weep and rage"
"although you may think you are going crazy..."

I can remember almost nothing of my childhood. It is very difficult for me to accept this, but remembering all the details is not the most important thing. Accepting my feelings now and getting myself emotionally squared away for the rest of my life is the most important thing. Remembering the events is useful to the extent that it helps make sense of the emotions. You already know enough to explain any emotion. Also, memories come back when the emotions are worked through, sometimes, not the other way around. So you have to try forward emotional progress now, and the memories will come when you're ready for them. That being said, the awareness of the loss of my memory has shaken my confidence in my own mind, confused me, disoriented me, and caused me to doubt myself and wonder what else I should be suspicious of.

You are not alone. In general, everything that is happening inside of you, every emotion, every thought, is a natural human result of what happened to you. People around you misunderstand. They are wrong.

Ryan


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#3138 - 09/16/02 11:44 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
Wuamei Offline
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George:

The situation with your wife sounds similar to mine in lots of ways, except that you are further into recovery, about a year for me. So your post gives me hope. Thanks.

Fisher:

As other brothers in survival have so well put it already, no need for apologies for that post on 9-10. That's what forums like this one are for and one reason we need them.

On 9-11 you wrote: "Why did I just write that? I don't know..my heart told me to......" Personally I find forums like this one, journaling, email groups, etc, a great place for just writing & pouring things out, however others may or may not respond. I need to do it more.

Oh, that includes your prayer. I find pouring myself out to God openly really helps, especially in writing. I'm praying that prayer with you, brother.

Lloydy:

Love your post. "the further we progress the bigger the gap seems to be." Never quite thot of it like that. Thanks!

Don:

As ARW says, great words to live by!

For what its worth to everyone, my T has told me more than once, and now I often tell myself, "Don't ask why"

To ask my mother why she abused me as she did, even if she didn't just deny it, well, what explanation would be adequate? Would it make me feel better, or worse?

Its becoming more important to me to know not why but that it did happen, I can't change it, but I can change what it does to my life. And I will.

Thanks Don!

Thad:

Thanks for sharing that CA code. I don't live in CA but I can check my state. I'll keep that in mind for future reference.

Ryan:

Thanks for your good words about letting out your emotions in positive ways! I work hard on that one! I'm sure as you do so, you will gain more confidence in your mind & your memories, to whatever degree or in whatever way they come back to you. Mine seem to have come back as I'm ready for & need them, tho I do sometimes have my doubts.

Men, another good book to add to Ryan's list (none of which I've read but have read & heard good reviews) is Mike Lew's 2nd book, "Leaping Upon the Mountains." This book is full of practical & specific survival tips, insights & encouragement, for men in all different stages & places of recovery. I recommend it highly.

Be Well, Men

Wuame
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#3139 - 09/20/02 05:30 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
fisher Offline
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Loc: Oregon
Hi guys!

Thank you so much for the support and understanding!

I have been kinda busy, so I just wanted to pop in and say hello to you all and to say thank you from the bottom of my heart.

Fisher,,,,,,,,,,,,


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#3140 - 09/29/02 05:47 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
fisher Offline
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Ok everyone,

It's 1:30 am and I can't sleep. Ever sence I have not only confrunted what happned to me from ages 10 to 15+, I have had to confront my own self! Im fucked up and for that I have nothing to say.
Ever sence I started looking at myself, what I whent through as a child and the effects it had on me than (why i acted like I did) and now in my relationship with my wife and family.
I have become very angry and unhappy now. I live every day with a memory of what happned to me and what I was like in my early adult life. Its fucked!
It seems to have ripped me off of the joy I once felt. I struggle with secret thoughts of sucide.
My wife says that ever sence I started dealing with these issues, I have become angry and depressed.
I find myself every day trying to understand my own self.
Is it possible that I am trying to hard to understand and what I really need to do is just let it go?
My wife said today that she thinks that me writting on this web site that I am doing nothing more than remembering. That maybe it is not good to keep dwelling on this and just move on.
I was molested by an older man next door when I was around ten. He sexualy brain washed me with money, lies and so much more. He would tell me that this is what people do that love each other! and so on and so on.....its fucked. I will post my full story in the next few days..to help you better understand.
Somethimes I wish that I was raped! Not slowly molested for years by a twisted man that ended up twiesting me for the rest of my life. Ass hole Merril!
Any way, just needed to vent.
I am affraid that my marriage may be falling apart and I am seperating myself from my family.
I love them so, I just want to be free from this !
Free to feel confident in who and what I am today!
I can tell you this..........
I am not the same man I was a decade ago!
It fucked,
My wife is a very sweet women who I think I am destroying!
The worst part is that I am distroying my own self and I afind myself welcoming death to be free........
If it was not for them, my son and my wife, I would have whent down that road long ago.
Being molested effects who you are.....what you are.......how you deal with things.......of maybe how you dont. It messes you up sexualy. It stunts your natual growth sexualy and makes you think like no other person that has not gone through such a thing as this. It's fucked..........
I am gettin older and I whant to enjoy life,,,not regret it!!!!
By for now..........
Venting,,,,,,,,

Fisher.........................


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#3141 - 09/29/02 09:30 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Hey Fisher,

I can not emphasize enough how I can empathize with your pain and frustration. One of my biggest problems with this abuse has been the amount of time I spend dwelling on it. While it does help quite a bit sometimes to just vent, there are times when it is simply debilitating. As abused persons, we can and do tend to engage in self-pity and think about negative things to let our frustrations out (somewhat like when I was little and people are mad at me, so I would think...you'll be really sorry if something bad happened to me. Then I think of all these horrible things, and then I feel better after I cried myself to self-pity). I don't know if it's partly a defense mechanism of sorts or simply a way to let out our emotions I think. Please understand, I am not as experienced in the healing process as some here, and maybe I have not seen enough of life yet (as one in his early 20's), but I will say that first off, what you are doing is as expected. How often we all do that...especially when this whole abuse issue first surfaced. The problem though is whether or not you are letting this abuse consume you. That is something you cannot do.

For instance, there are concrete issues in my life that I have to deal with--yes, the abuse has affected so many aspects of my life. Still, I refuse to give in to the notion that it has caused ALL the grief in my life. The point here is that you have to be careful that you deal with the abuse, not hide behind it. The best way of doing it, I think, is to focus on what you do know to be right...what you do know to be good things that will improve your life. I often ask myself...okay, so I am in this deep "doo-doo", what do I do now about it? Am I gonna sit here and sulk about it pretending it'll go away, or will I tackle it one by one.

I mean for you to have reached this far in your healing...to have survived all the things you have and yet have a family, the courage to write to us, etc., shows that you are a man of ability. You know yourself that you can get through this and KNOW how to resolve some of your issues. So, work on it. Don't worry too much about the abuse...put it in the back of your mind a sec, and focus on what you do know to be right and good. Sometimes, that little bit of time you take to do something else...to refocus...will help you resolve the issues that are involved in your abuse.

I mean it's like any other "job" you have to deal with. You reach a frustrating point...a "writer's block"...so what do you do? Work on something else for a little bit, then go back into it. I do not mean to belittle this issue, I am very much aware of how debilitating and irresistable it is sometimes to just think about the abuse. Still, you are much more than that. Yes, we are persons who were abused. BUT we are "persons" first with intellect, capacity for love, determination to not fail in our struggle, relationships with our family, friends...the point is we have other aspects of our lives as well. We can not define ourselves by the abuse.

Anyway, it's early and I apologize if what I say simply seems like meaningless drivel, but it's all I can think of to say for now. The point is...we'll all go through our ups and downs...and rather than keep thinking of how horrible it is that we have gone as low as we have, we should instead think of how we're going to get back up again


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#3142 - 09/29/02 11:28 AM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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You are not alone, but I am too upset right now to reply. I too am hurting. I will send you a private message. Maybe I can write more there.

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#3143 - 09/29/02 12:10 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Fisher,
I can so understand how you are feeling. You will get through this just keep posting. I've read your post and they sound so much like me at times. Check your pm. I sent you one.

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#3144 - 09/29/02 05:34 PM Re: Comming to terms with my past?
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Fisher
When I read your post I felt the pain of not being understood, although I was so lucky in that respect - my wife struggled through and found a level of understanding I find incredible.

But what it brought to mind was this handout I got at college the other day ( I've started a counselling course )

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IF YOU ARE GOING TO HELP ME.......

Please be patient while I decide if I can trust you.

Let me tell you my story. The whole story. In my own way.

Please accept that whatever I may have done and whatever I may do, it is the best I have to offer and seemed right at the time.

I am not "A" person. I am "THIS" person, unique and special.

Don't judge me as right or wrong, bad or good. I am what I am and that is all I have got.

Don't assume that your knowledge about me is more accurate than mine. You only know what I have told you, and that's only part of me.

Don't ever think that you know what I should do, you don't. I may be confused, but I am still the expert about me.

Don't place me in a position of living up to your expectations. I have enough trouble with my own.

Please hear my feelings, not just my words - accept all of them. If you can't, how can I ?

Don't save me. I can do it myself. I knew enough to ask for your help didn't I ? Help me to better myself.

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That seems like a very good place to start for survivors and their partners

Lloydy

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Go confidently in the direction of your dreams! Live the life you've imagined. As you simplify your life, the laws of the universe will be simpler.
Henry David Thoreau

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