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#304 - 09/29/05 10:20 PM Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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While I am in therapy , I'm wondering if I should try some journaling to perhaps get some insights or speed up the process. Perhaps it's not necessary, maybe it would be helpful.

My questions are:
1) can it be useful as an adjunct to therapy ?
2) How do I even get started ?

Thank you,
LNH


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#305 - 09/29/05 11:54 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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LNH - pick up the pen and write whatever you feel. Nobody else has to see what you write. Just let your thoughts transfer onto paper. Read it back to yourself...it worked for me!

Best wishes ..Rik

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#306 - 09/30/05 02:30 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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LNH,

I guess one thing to do would be to ask your therapist about this. He/she may have some specific ideas.

I have kept two diaries. One I started when I was 12 and considering suicide. The other I began just recently, the idea behind that one being that I sometimes feel very confused and hopelessly lost about everything. Writing down how I feel helps me I think. I'm not sure why. Perhaps because it gives me some sense that I am not absolutely adrift and am still in control of my life, or some bits of it at least.

I started the new one by asking myself what I hoped to achieve by keeping this journal and what I thought should go into it. One thing I say there is I hope I won't use my journal just as a vehicle for venting; I want to include positive things as well: little victories, special events that went well, little things that made me happy, photos, whatever.

I would say try it and see how it goes. It may take awhile to get into it, depending on how easy you find it to write about things you feel, but giving it a chance might be a good idea.

Take care,
Larry

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As I go walking my freedom highway.
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This land was made for you and me.
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#307 - 09/30/05 06:07 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Yes I've tried it and it helps. Peace, Andrew

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#308 - 09/30/05 07:23 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I've journaled for the last 17 years. I nostly write out whatever is on the inside - thoughts, feelings! I am as honest and open as I could ever be...no holding back. As I re-read what I've written over the years, when I've been most honest, forthright and blunt, I recognize how my past has afffected me, ways I need to change, ideas that are obviously incorrect and counterproductive, etc. It helps me grow and heal. I've used it at times in my therapy sessions sharing with my therapist. I hope if you choose to journal, make it a habit to write something everyday and that it helps you as much as it has healed me!

Howard

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#309 - 09/30/05 04:06 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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journaling helped me more tha anything else I think, I found it so good for sorting out my mixed up thoughts and then returning to them to see what I had actually done about them - if anything !!

When I write my journal, which I still do, I find that the act of writing slows down my thinking as I choose exactly the right word or phrase to describe what I'm feeling or experiencing, so I think more and concentrate harder as I actually do it.

I also journal on my computer and burn discs of each separate piece I write,I tend to write a series of essays rather than a diary.
On disc it's easy to return to them later and see the progress, sometimes years later as I started in 1998.
As I read the old journals I often have new thoughts and ideas, so I put them in using a different font or italics. But I never lose the original, I then save the new additions as version 2 version 3 and so on and date each version.
I've found this a very helpful way of working, and some of my early stuff is now up to version 10 or 12 and many thousands of words. But my progress is something I can look back on accurately, it's something I can't argue with or deny to myself, what I wrote was what I felt at that time.

There's some scary stuff in there for sure, and some stuff that nobody will ever see other than me if I have my way, so if you journal and share your secrets with the 'page' don't leave it lying around for others to read.

Dave

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#310 - 09/30/05 07:05 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Journaling is very effective. I have found that journaling is 100 times more effective than therapy.

I use a couple of variations:

1) I do a self therapy by answering the following questions a) how do I feel b) why do I feel this way c) what do I ideally want to happen d) realistically what do I need to do

2) I speak to my emotionaly self in terms of a freind. Sometimes I argue back and forth, but its healthy

3) I write letters to family, friends current and past. Never mail them just helps me clear up dynamics with people

4) I write to myself before I was abused and then to myself after the abuse. These are the hardest for me right now.

5) Sometimes its just best if I just type without thinking, now worries to spelling, grammar. Just what ever comes to mind. Usually in the middle of a page of madness there is the clear thought.

Keep trying different variations to see what works for you. And from time to time try different journaling techniques. You'll find that different things work at different times.


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#311 - 09/30/05 11:36 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Journaling and writing poetry has litterly saved my life. There is no right of wrong way to do it. Just write what you feel. What you are thinking. Let the pen flow. Even if all you write is something like I don't know what to write. If you start putting down on paper what you feeling then you will find as I did that the pen will begin to flow and your innervoice will begin to speak. I encourage everyone to write I think it is very healing and helpful in becoming better for the tomorrow that we all want to achieve.

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#312 - 10/01/05 08:26 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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The first journal 'assignment' my old therapist give to me is to write about three things. 'I was', 'I am' and 'I will be'. She say it is to put in perspective, what was then, now, and possible in future. Just I put those words at top of the page, and start writing 'I was small', 'I was scared', simple things first. But then it just keep going from there, and I wrote pages on each of them. I think it did help me some, to remember it is then, not now, and that I am safe. Also, to look at my future, what I want of it, and how I can make it happen.

Andrei


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#313 - 10/01/05 11:54 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Journaling brough me to the point of acceptance of my abuse much different to admiting it. I have been keeping a journal now for over five years and when I look back at it I can see the progress I have made, this is especially useful when having off days or weeks. Its there in black and white how far I have come.

Kirk


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#314 - 10/01/05 12:45 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I can't thank you enough guys for all the great responses. They are all extremely helpful. I did speak to me therapist about it and she was very much for it.


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#315 - 10/01/05 07:24 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I found it best to use a spiral bound artist's skecth pad. The absence of lines was a challenge to my tightly controlled, logical oderly mind.

It also encouraged sketching and drawing which can be even more revealing of my inner state.

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#316 - 10/01/05 07:47 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Journalling is good -

though sometimes - honestly as inappropriate -whatever - i find i needed to speak stuff out loud -

i had been so muted -

just today someone on this site said in a pm -

thanks for sharing your life -

part of me has a hard time thinking that

people think i should just be seen

not heard

journalling is good - also talk

to me -

mark

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#317 - 10/25/05 04:10 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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there are a few websites about journaling:

http://www.writingthejourney.com

I have been drawing lately; it helps!
Vernon


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#318 - 03/09/06 04:02 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Bumping this to ask another question.

How do those of you that do journal organize how you write? Do you just touch the nib to paper and let the words flow out, or do you look for specific issues or things to work on and write about (other than T assignments)?

I think something like this could really help me quiet the voices that are constantly babbling in my head, but I want to make the most out of the experience.

Or am I doomed to flail about for a while, trying to find a method that works for me?


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#319 - 03/09/06 05:52 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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timsutt

Originally I wrote what was in my head usually brought about by a flashabck or trigger. Today I write about specifics once again usually brought about by a flashback, a forgotten memory or a trigger usually by a particular peice of music I am listening too but more so today I write about survivor issues which includes my opinions on how abuse is portaryed in the press which in turn leads on to politics of which I am just getting involved.

regards
Kirk
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#320 - 03/09/06 06:18 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Tim,

I would just start out and see how it goes. In your first entry, perhaps try writing down what you hope to get from journaling. You will soon find your own direction and style and decide what you do and don't want to include.

Much love,
Larry

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This land was made for you and me.
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#321 - 03/09/06 08:22 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I have an online diary. It helps, and I think I need other people to read my thoughts. It is very interesting to be honest with unknown people. However, I don't speak about my past in the diary.

Alexey

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#322 - 03/09/06 08:30 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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#323 - 03/10/06 02:53 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Writing letters to the ones who hurt me and the ones I hurt was very therapeutic, I also journaled my feelings, something that would not go away, a thought or event journaled out is a good way to deal with the issue in my opinion. My wifes affair, I wrote letters to her, some she read and some she will never see but in large I learned from them. Looking back through my journals I realized my life, parents, the abuse/molestation had shaped my personality and it helped me realize that my childhood was not all that I thought it was cracked up to be. I had stored the memories as a child and by journaling them out and reading them as an adult I was able to see the devastation, that led to further pain but in time healing.

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#324 - 03/10/06 01:42 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I have been journaling on and off for 35 years. Mostly talking about what is going on in my life. I do talk about my feeling also but I find it easey to get started to just talk about the event of my life. I alse make a point of talking about the issues that are on my mind.

I also,
I found it best to use a spiral bound artist's skecth pad.

Without lines my writting changes in size through out the entery. Some paragraghs are super big type and some small but without lines I feel free to write any size I like.

My thoughts can't be confinded between lines.

Don't think I can ever journal on lined paper again. One thing be sure to go back and read your writing weeks and months afterward so you have an idea of where your mind was back then.
Tom

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#325 - 03/10/06 11:32 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I hate to journal, but I have journaled throughout the last year - on a hit and miss basis.

I sat down last week and read through all my journaling and it was an incredible experience. I could see how far I've come. But the hardest part was facing myself and seeing how far I still have to go.

But the clarity in journaling is present in the moment of journaling, but even more apparent when reading back over the ways of thinking, experiences, and feelings.

I type on the computer for my journal. I hate writing - and I can bury my journal deep in the computer and it seems a little more private.


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#326 - 03/11/06 04:48 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I have tryed to keep a daily log . It can be good and bad . some times you will have a very positive day and some times not . If you look at what you write over a long time you will see a lot of things slowly come out that you may not have ben conchus of by reading between the lines
The hardest person in the world to see is your self

MICHAEL

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#327 - 03/11/06 04:50 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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LNH,

When I first started in counseling and recovery, I journaled every day, it was very helpful. Now I journal when I feel the need and often post what I journal, It is a methed I use to help me straighten out my thoughts and feelings and make some sort of sense out of them. By posting, I get some very valuable insights from the brothers here and that also is very helpful.

Love ya

Darrel

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#328 - 03/11/06 04:54 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I do a lot of writing. Early on it helped me get out some things that I could not physically say. Often I would share stuff with my therapist by handing what I wrote to her to read. She would often read it and the encourage me to read it outloud in our session. By saying the words, it helped me for the first time "break the silence".

Now during my somatic therapy sessions, I do a lot of writing afterwards. The writing helps me put things together and often my doctor has had me read stuff outloud to him. Reading it outloud has been quite an experience.

But the biggest thing is do something that helps get your thoughts out. It could be any form of expression. Even writing thoughts down in whatever form, can do a lot.

Don

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#329 - 03/19/06 10:36 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I started journalling inadvertently as venting poetically in college, looking back I realise that it is amazing that I had access to divine guidance even then, because no matter how sad I started out writing in the end I would always find a happy quiet corner of insight.

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#330 - 03/19/06 10:40 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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..but yes lately I dont vent of paper I breathe it out! I tend to write about the beauty I receive afterwards and have it for keeps.

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#331 - 03/19/06 03:13 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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We are kind of journaling here are we not?

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#332 - 03/20/06 02:26 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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John,

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We are kind of journaling here are we not?
What a great way to think of this place. It's a record of our progress in healing. I had never thought of it that way, but sure, you are absolutely right.

Hmmmm. Definitely something to think about. Thanks for sharing that idea.

Much love,
Larry

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As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#333 - 03/20/06 03:42 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I found journaling to be an empty experience for me, I over dramatized the notion by writing my experiences on paper then I climbed up a winter hill on the high dunes off the coast of West Michigan and I burned it.......trying to cast off my ties to my past. It didn't work. All the shit I was trying to deal with 12 years ago is still with me, and just as strong. Journaling didn't help me, but we're all different........it might help someone else much more.


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#334 - 03/20/06 04:06 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I journal, though probably not as often as my T would like to see.

I have two modes of entry: (1) visible; and (2) invisible. For my visible entries, I use a regular black pen (fine tip so I can fit more on a page). My invisible entries consist of a UV-fluorescable ink that I write with under the aid of a handheld LED blacklight (375 nm wavelength). Nobody can see the ink on the page unless they shine a UV light source on it. Great for when I'm having moments that my PTSD has me thinking that my room about's to be invaded. It makes me feel really safe and like I have a say or an outlet in what happens to me during my memory. In a way, I guess I can try to rewrite some of the past.

Best,
Scotty

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#335 - 03/20/06 06:54 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Hauser, I think the ritual of burning of our ties with the past can only be effective if we give meaning to them.
We can take the example of dipping in water during baptism, it means being born again, but it works only if we believe it to be true.

That way our belief is what creates the reality for us. If we continue to believe that it is an unsafe place we live in, it would be so for us, we would continue to feel unsafe and keep ourselves busy with planning various escape mechanisms and establushing new fighting techniques, till we exhaust ourselves, and learn to surrender. That for me has been my biggest freedom.

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#336 - 03/20/06 07:01 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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...so what if I choose to believe this moment on that , "Everything in my world works smoothly and that I am always at peace."

It is like instead of asking for healing everyday, we choose to thank for healing, knowing that it has happened.

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#337 - 03/21/06 02:58 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Thanks for the replies, keep them coming. I started my journal in a hit or miss manner. It has helped, I am writing my way past my emotional nadir.

I don't know why, but getting the poison down on paper in front of me keeps it from eating at my insides as much.

I'm smoking less weed as well....

Very interesting indeed.


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#338 - 03/21/06 03:33 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Tim,

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I don't know why, but getting the poison down on paper in front of me keeps it from eating at my insides as much.
Putting it down on paper is a way of focusing and gaining a perspective. It helps us to see that we really were only innocent defenseless kids, and seeing that empowers us now. We are better able to reject blame, refuse to believe the bad feelings we have about ourselves, and keep to the hard work of recovery.

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I'm smoking less weed as well....
I have been down that road, my friend, and while I feel that weed itself did me no harm, for broken and ravaged people I do think it tempts us on to more dangerous things. At least, that was my case.

Weed is just a temporary way to numb the pain. I see you play guitar. I learned to forget the drugs and take up the blues instead. What a difference! \:\)

Much love,
Larry

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Nobody living can ever stop me
As I go walking my freedom highway.
Nobody living can make me turn back:
This land was made for you and me.
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#339 - 03/21/06 05:14 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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Guys,

I have been journaling throughout my 22 year recovery journey and just recently, last October, started blogging as an alternative. I have found this to be terribly engaging.

Blogger is a great place to start.

http://www.blogger.com/start

Ron

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#341 - 03/21/06 03:56 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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J, thanks so much for the link. Nothing interests me more than the inner life of my fellow survivors. What a joy to share your story in an ongoing basis. I have bookmarked your blog for daily reading. :-)
Thanks,

Ron

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#342 - 03/21/06 08:57 PM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I have journaled for years also. Infact now it is a hobby I think. When I find myself NOT journaling I tend to see that I am not facing something in my life. To make it fun my wife and I both started adding stickers to our pages. Its a quick and cheap way to add something to your journaling if you want to make the message stronger.....just a thought.

Tobey


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#343 - 03/22/06 05:20 AM Re: Question: Has anyone tried journaling
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I not actually journaled for say, but maybe it is. When I just need to get a way, I work on what I call my book. I love murder myster type books, as such I loved to one actually write a series about a guy that who is faced the murders of people who he knows, but his not sure how he knows these people. I have the idea of how what it to all work out, but I'm not sure if I can carry it through as a series as I want to. As I said, it's a way of getting a way. It somethink special for just me to read at this point.

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