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#303578 - 09/21/09 07:22 PM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: MarkK]
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Registered: 09/04/08
Posts: 302
Loc: Canada
Interesting. When did the recitation of the pledge in schools start? I wonder if it was a product of the period immediately following 1776 when you might encounter folks who still held allegiance to another flag (say that of England or France)and you wanted folks to have a public declaration of loyalties? Anyone know?

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#303585 - 09/21/09 08:14 PM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: cstjude]
michael banks Offline


Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 1755
Loc: Mojave Desert, Ca
jude,

The pledge of allegiance was written by Francis Bellamy in 1892.
I can remember saying this oath in the 60's in elementary school but not in Jr high or high school in the seventies. i think it may have fell out of favor around the Vietnam issues in the late sixties. but not sure.

Alan,

I said the pledge everyday, standing at attention facing the U.S. flag every mourning during the first six years of school. and the last time I checked I was still human. you can make children to repeat things but you can't make them believe it.

mike

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#303631 - 09/22/09 12:16 AM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: J.R.]
Jaifian Offline


Registered: 05/26/09
Posts: 220
Loc: washington state, USA
Originally Posted By: J.R.
The Republic part has nothing to do with being a Republican. Many Americans have no idea what kind of government we have. Contrary to popular belief, the US is NOT a democracy, it is a Republic. A Republic system of government is based on the Rule of Law as it's governing body, not the concept of "majority rules".

J.R.


Key words: "when I was young". Trust me, I am not under any illusion that we have anything remotely resembling a democracy.

Plutocracy, on the other hand...



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#303662 - 09/22/09 06:04 AM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: Jaifian]
LilacLouie Offline


Registered: 07/02/09
Posts: 359
Loc: Utah
If they want to say it, say it. If they don't, then they don't. Simple. I say it and I mean it.
As for democracy, democracy is not American, really. I don't recall the stuff I learned about it, but I know that America is a republic. We're not talking political parties, either.


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#303730 - 09/22/09 05:49 PM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: LilacLouie]
Jaifian Offline


Registered: 05/26/09
Posts: 220
Loc: washington state, USA
Originally Posted By: LilacLouie
If they want to say it, say it. If they don't, then they don't. Simple. I say it and I mean it.
As for democracy, democracy is not American, really. I don't recall the stuff I learned about it, but I know that America is a republic. We're not talking political parties, either.


If it sounded at all like you heard what I said I would reply, but you obviously didn't.



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#303801 - 09/23/09 03:13 AM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: Jaifian]
LilacLouie Offline


Registered: 07/02/09
Posts: 359
Loc: Utah
Oh, I'm so sorry. How would you prefer I respond to someone else's post?


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#303818 - 09/23/09 10:15 AM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: LilacLouie]
MarkK Offline
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Registered: 04/02/07
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Loc: Denver, CO
Originally Posted By: Jaifian
If it sounded at all like you heard what I said I would reply, but you obviously didn't.

now THERE'S a demonstration of true communication meant to edify and help a brother.

God bless the USA.

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#303875 - 09/23/09 05:43 PM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: LilacLouie]
Jaifian Offline


Registered: 05/26/09
Posts: 220
Loc: washington state, USA
Originally Posted By: LilacLouie
Oh, I'm so sorry. How would you prefer I respond to someone else's post?


By using the "quotes" feature or making it more clear who you are talking to if there is the possibility of any confusion.

Sorry I misunderstood.



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#303893 - 09/23/09 07:43 PM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: Jaifian]
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Registered: 11/12/05
Posts: 2962
Loc: United States
I think a more fitting/modernized version of the Pledge is in order, so……..tell me what you think?

“I pledge blind obedience, to the Socialist Government, of the United States, and to the great Empire it has forged, guided by divine providence, with corruption, mayhem and death for all that we can force it upon.”




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#303894 - 09/23/09 07:45 PM Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance [Re: Hauser]
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I would remove "guided by divine providence." That's Declaration of Independence language.

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