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#303578 - 09/21/09 06:22 PM
Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance
[Re: MarkK]
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Interesting. When did the recitation of the pledge in schools start? I wonder if it was a product of the period immediately following 1776 when you might encounter folks who still held allegiance to another flag (say that of England or France)and you wanted folks to have a public declaration of loyalties? Anyone know?
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#303585 - 09/21/09 07:14 PM
Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance
[Re: cstjude]
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Registered: 06/12/08
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jude,
The pledge of allegiance was written by Francis Bellamy in 1892.
I can remember saying this oath in the 60's in elementary school but not in Jr high or high school in the seventies. i think it may have fell out of favor around the Vietnam issues in the late sixties. but not sure.
Alan,
I said the pledge everyday, standing at attention facing the U.S. flag every mourning during the first six years of school. and the last time I checked I was still human. you can make children to repeat things but you can't make them believe it.
mike
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#303631 - 09/21/09 11:16 PM
Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance
[Re: J.R.]
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Registered: 05/26/09
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The Republic part has nothing to do with being a Republican. Many Americans have no idea what kind of government we have. Contrary to popular belief, the US is NOT a democracy, it is a Republic. A Republic system of government is based on the Rule of Law as it's governing body, not the concept of "majority rules".
J.R. Key words: "when I was young". Trust me, I am not under any illusion that we have anything remotely resembling a democracy. Plutocracy, on the other hand... 
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#303662 - 09/22/09 05:04 AM
Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance
[Re: Jaifian]
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Registered: 07/02/09
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Loc: Colorado
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If they want to say it, say it. If they don't, then they don't. Simple. I say it and I mean it.
As for democracy, democracy is not American, really. I don't recall the stuff I learned about it, but I know that America is a republic. We're not talking political parties, either.
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#303801 - 09/23/09 02:13 AM
Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance
[Re: Jaifian]
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Oh, I'm so sorry. How would you prefer I respond to someone else's post?
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#303818 - 09/23/09 09:15 AM
Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance
[Re: LilacLouie]
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If it sounded at all like you heard what I said I would reply, but you obviously didn't. now THERE'S a demonstration of true communication meant to edify and help a brother. God bless the USA.
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#303875 - 09/23/09 04:43 PM
Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance
[Re: LilacLouie]
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Oh, I'm so sorry. How would you prefer I respond to someone else's post?
By using the "quotes" feature or making it more clear who you are talking to if there is the possibility of any confusion. Sorry I misunderstood.
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#303894 - 09/23/09 06:45 PM
Re: On the Pledge of Allegiance
[Re: Hauser]
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I would remove "guided by divine providence." That's Declaration of Independence language.
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