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#296331 - 07/22/09 12:27 AM do you pray?
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why, or why not?

just curious....... thanks

ron

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#296332 - 07/22/09 12:34 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: Sans Logos]
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Ron,
I do pray. Control is an illusion. I have no control over anything really except my choices. I have to believe that someone greater and wiser than me does have control and has some kind of plan. My prayers usually consist of trying to find that plan and cooperate. It seems to work for me. There is a tremendous relief and peace in believing that and in watching it take shape.

Roger



Edited by Freedom49 (07/22/09 12:35 AM)

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#296335 - 07/22/09 12:52 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: Freedom49]
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I do pray.

What Roger just said is absolutely true.

I pray for the guys in this MS Forum. When I read of their troubles, I bring them before the Lord.

Allen

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#296336 - 07/22/09 01:11 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: pufferfish]
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Hi my brothers.

After many years of kneeling before a toilet bowl barfing my insides out as an alcoholic for 20 odd years, and forgetting my God. I've been sober for 32 years.


As I am trying to move on in my recovery and have read various healing books (Victims No Longer), (The Male Survivor 12 step book), and my T talking to me, that I should make peace with my higher power.

I have started, only 3 weeks into it. But I do pray, and I pray for my brothers right here and my military brothers too. I sure hope that they listen to their son on earth.

As I promised God & HIS Mother, that I will spend some of my time kneeling in prayer. Hopefully I can give HIM 20 odd years.

I offer you all, my prayers, my compassion, understanding and love.

Heal well my brothers, my family & my friends.

"I will take that lost boys hand and lead him from the darkness and into the sunshine, forever into eternity".
By the grace of God.

Little Pete & big Pete...but 1 (Irishmoose).

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#296354 - 07/22/09 08:22 AM Re: do you pray? here's how i do... [Re: Sans Logos]
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to connect with the spirit, i try to make formal prayer at least twice a day in the morning and in the evening, and informally, throughout the day. i follow the structure of the divine office but use the texts from 'the message' bible. i have both in printed form, but they can be prayed right from the computer using online links:



even though i think of jesus as the model of human action, i do not limit myself to 'christian' ideologies, but rather value the sacred words of all traditions. however, i love 'the message' text, because it is very accessible, using inclusive language, and written in everyday language; it really makes the sacred text come alive for me. rather than seeming 'historic' this translation makes the texts pertinent to my immediate now, framing all of these ancient situations as metaphors for those circumstances that confront me daily.

since i returned from the regional metropolitan community church this past weekend [which is my spiritual community here in pittsburgh], i have begun the practice of calling one of my fellow community members and praying with them usually in the morning. if no one is there when i call, i just leave a prayer in a message. doing this has really raised the roof on the quality of my own spiritual life. i am not sure why doing this did not come to mind sooner; probably as a result of the conference last week, which inspired me to know that my friends need to connect to the spiritual daily as much as i do. what a difference i sense of god's powerful presence in my life.

i wanted to share a text from todays office; it's funny that this was part of the office today, particularly in light of how i felt inspired upon waking this morning to share my prayer practices with our community. i hope it gives you at least a little hope, such as it gave me.

Quote:

Romans 12
Place Your Life Before God
1-2 So here's what I want you to do, God helping you: Take your everyday, ordinary life—your sleeping, eating, going-to-work, and walking-around life—and place it before God as an offering. Embracing what God does for you is the best thing you can do for him. Don't become so well-adjusted to your culture that you fit into it without even thinking. Instead, fix your attention on God. You'll be changed from the inside out. Readily recognize what he wants from you, and quickly respond to it. Unlike the culture around you, always dragging you down to its level of immaturity, God brings the best out of you, develops well-formed maturity in you.


the great lesson i learned in my spiritual life was that prayer is most effective when it springs out of and is based in community life. until now, i had not been able to connect with any spiritual community in the same manner in which i do mcc. with my mcc community, i have found a way to carry with me all the fruits of our weekend worship into each subsequent day. for the first time, in my faith life, i no longer feel like an island. what took you so long god? laugh

....another thought, those of you who have favorite passages from the ancient>
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#296361 - 07/22/09 09:39 AM Re: do you pray? here's how i do... [Re: Sans Logos]
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I pray all the time. Here and there and everywhere throughout my day. It's just what I do.

Sometimes it's little things, sometimes it's where I'm struggling, sometimes it's just thankfulness. Just a little here and there all day.

The passage I'm studying/reading right now each day is 2 Peter 1:5-11

I usually read in the NIV/NASB. Never been a fan of "The Message" translation myself. Too much time in a Bible college digging into the original Greek/Hebrew I guess. I just with I could find my Greek lexicon!!! It up and went missing I can't find it anythere! :-( Actually I think my hebrew one disappeared too. Still have the interlinear bible though with all the reference numbers and what not.

Ah well.


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#296362 - 07/22/09 09:42 AM Re: do you pray? here's how i do... [Re: Sans Logos]
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Yes I pray.... maybe not as much as I should or need to. I fall in line quite often to the times when I let my own selfwill run riot before realizing that my spiritual life has taken a backseat.... so to speak.

When I do pray I try to give thanks and show gratitude for the many blessings that I do have and refrain from making a "wish-list" for santa.

Ever so slowly I realize that God / Great Spirit / Universal Consciousness whatever the term be refered to will place in my path the things and events that will produce the most benificial experiences for my growth. I have come to accept that there is a great amount of patience out there when it comes to getting through to me... haha.
For anyone that is in doubt of a greater power or source :out there" just look in to the sky on a clear night and ask yourself "did man create all those stars?"

Blessings to all
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#296507 - 07/23/09 07:50 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: Sans Logos]
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a prayer for today for all my male survivor family:

god, a better friend than you no one has. thanks so much for blessing us by giving us, in its many forms, the bread we need for living, for consoling us in our pain, and for making our hope fresh and new again today. help us to recognize that the gesture of every hand outstretched in an act of loving kindness and giving, is merely evidence of your presence in our humanity, that you are with us, in us, and among us being who you are at your best. in that realization may our hearts be always open in willingness to reconcile those difficulties that would divide us rather than unite us. may all our hours and minutes this day be spent in joyful rest in you. so be it.

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#296590 - 07/23/09 10:00 PM Re: do you pray? [Re: Sans Logos]
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Ron,
Not enough, I'm working on it...

I'm going to start saying the Serenity Prayer every morning, its a good beginning:

God grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, courage to change the things I can, and wisdom to know the difference. Amen.

Peace,
Jim





Edited by Jim1961 (07/24/09 12:25 PM)
Edit Reason: Forgot the Amen, duh
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#296614 - 07/24/09 08:42 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: Sans Logos]
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sharing a bit of inspiration from the message text which struck me during prayer this morning:

Originally Posted By: gal 2:19--->
I tried keeping rules and working my head off to please God, and it didn't work. So I quit being a "law man" so that I could be God's man. Christ's life showed me how, and enabled me to do it. I identified myself completely with him. Indeed, I have been crucified with Christ. My ego is no longer central. It is no longer important that I appear righteous before you or have your good opinion, and I am no longer driven to impress God. Christ lives in me. The life you see me living is not "mine," but it is lived by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I am not going to go back on that.

Is it not clear to you that to go back to that old rule-keeping, peer-pleasing religion would be an abandonment of everything personal and free in my relationship with God? I refuse to do that, to repudiate God's grace. If a living relationship with God could come by rule-keeping, then Christ died unnecessarily


then after reading keith's thread and meeting steppenwolf on youtube, i added this to my new list of inspirational moments, more words from god's mouth to my ears:



You're off to see the land of dreams
Be careful, things are seldom what they seem.
Cling to your hopes, follow your heart
Don't lose that sparkle in your eyes
To some empty consolation prize
Stay on your course,follow the chart
And if at times, you lose the light
Then let your passion be your guide

Strike a spark, fan the flame
Feel it burn deep within
Let it rise and let it shine
Keep it burnin',day and night
Guard it with your very life
FEED THE FIRE, never let it die

You'll fly alone to reach your mark
Don't fear the silence or the dark
They'll be good friends,you'll learn to love
Solitude's no sacrifice
To catch a glimpse of paradise
May you find peace and fly with the dove
And when you finally reach your star
Always remember who you are

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#296653 - 07/24/09 12:32 PM Re: do you pray? [Re: Sans Logos]
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The gift of music is pure joy. When words are spoken or read their full impact can be glanced over and sometimes unheard. However when accompanied by music the full impact can be understood.

I have found this to be a great part of my journey. The emotions and feelings are stirred with music. I find myself to be very concious of lyrics lately. Finding the deeper meaning and thoughts the writer has placed before me while I listen.

steve

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#296771 - 07/25/09 02:10 PM Re: do you pray? [Re: mapleleafsn]
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Originally Posted By: mapleleafsn
The gift of music is pure joy. When words are spoken or read their full impact can be glanced over and sometimes unheard. However when accompanied by music the full impact can be understood.


I relate to this on several levels.

I read Psalms nearly every day. Of course the Psalms are Hebrew songs of praise (some of them). I find the Psalms directing my mind and heart toward God. There are numerous psalms which address the problems of CSA survivors. My mind and heart are able to be nourished by these truths.

"God is our refuge and strength,
an ever-present help in trouble.
Therefore we will not fear,
though the earth give way"
Psalm 46:1,2

In my anguish I cried to the Lord,
and he answered by setting me free.

I was pushed back and about to fall,
but the Lord helped me.
The Lord is my strength and my song;
he has become my salvation.
Psalm 118: 5, 13,14.

Allen


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#297004 - 07/27/09 08:09 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: pufferfish]
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allen,

thank you for those. i couldn't resist looking them up in the message text, and expanding a bit:

psalm 42: 1-3 -->>>>
God is a safe place to hide, ready to help when we need him.
We stand fearless at the cliff-edge of doom,
courageous in seastorm and earthquake,
Before the rush and roar of oceans,
the tremors that shift mountains.

psalm 188: 5-21 -->>>>
Pushed to the wall, I called to God;
from the wide open spaces, he answered.
God's now at my side and I'm not afraid;
who would dare lay a hand on me?
God's my strong champion;
I flick off my enemies like flies.
Far better to take refuge in God
than trust in people;
Far better to take refuge in God
than trust in celebrities.
Hemmed in by barbarians,
in God's name I rubbed their faces in the dirt;
Hemmed in and with no way out,
in God's name I rubbed their faces in the dirt;
Like swarming bees, like wild prairie fire, they hemmed me in;
in God's name I rubbed their faces in the dirt.
I was right on the cliff-edge, ready to fall,
when God grabbed and held me.
God's my strength, he's also my song,
and now he's my salvation.
Hear the shouts, hear the triumph songs
in the camp of the saved?
"The hand of God has turned the tide!
The hand of God is raised in victory!
The hand of God has turned the tide!"

17-20 I didn't die. I lived!
And now I'm telling the world what God did.
God tested me, he pushed me hard,
but he didn't hand me over to Death.

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#297513 - 07/30/09 11:39 PM Re: do you pray? [Re: Sans Logos]
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Hi, my fraternal brothers,

Well it's almost one year since little Pete decided to reminding big Pete about some long buried memories of his childhood.

It has been one hell of a year, and a wild rollercoaster of a ride of our emotions.

I/we have made up a plan of what we want to try and accomplish on our journey.

This month we concentrated on our spirituality. (Or lack there of). Little Pete & I have decided to stay with the religion of our birth, and our survival.

All this, after during the last year in trying to come to terms with our complete range of abuse, sexually, emotionally, physically and mentally, from the very person whom made the post "Trusting God No Longer (HIS Mother too). Then God's answer to little & big Pete. And us joining the locl Catholic parish. We both fully know that we cannot participate fully in the sacraments of the church. That's ok with us.

But what we could do, and we just did, was to maake an offering to have 4 Masses, dedicated to Sexually Abused Boys. And the dates of these Masses are.. 6, 10, 12 & 13 August.

Being little Pete & big Pete don't have eloquent words, or vast amounts of wisdom to offer my fraternal brothers here on the MS web site.

Maybe these Masses will suffice. These are for all of us, no matter what religion that you do or not profess.

Other than little Pete & big Pete's compassion, understanding and love and (yes) prayers, is all that we really posess. Unconditionally.

Heal well my brothers, my family, my friends.

"I will take that lost boys hand, and I will lead him from the depths of darkness, into the sunshine, forever to eternity.

Little Pete & big Pete,,but 1 (Irishmoose)

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#297515 - 07/30/09 11:56 PM Re: do you pray? [Re: petercorbett]
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Yeah I pray. Sometimes I wonder if He even listens to me.


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#297540 - 07/31/09 03:44 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: LilacLouie]
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I pray. I pray in the morning. I pray before I sleep. I pray anywhere in between. I pour out my heart. I'm not very good at gratitude. It passed me by somewhere and I've never managed to get back to it, though I try sometimes. My prayers are almost in my mind, because I'm not alone all that much. I say the things that are worrying me. I say the things that are bothering me. I say the things I need. I say the things I want. I say the things my family needs. I sort through things. I discover things. I learn things. I feel things. I pray for many reasons, but in the end I pray because of how I feel when I do it.

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#297555 - 07/31/09 09:23 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: Hopeful1]
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beautiful hopeful. formal prayer ritualizes it in a sense, but it's all the times in between where i deeply sense my bond with THE PRESENCE always guiding and guarding the temperature of my life.

all the best,

ron

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#297563 - 07/31/09 10:09 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: Sans Logos]
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Good question. Lovely posts. I understand the search for a connection to the numinous. But I don't pray. Reasons why are covered elsewhere. smile

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#297653 - 07/31/09 11:32 PM Re: do you pray? [Re: cstjude]
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When I pray, I ask Him for help. And sometimes I "hear" Him say "No".


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#297660 - 08/01/09 01:01 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: LilacLouie]
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One thing I pray...

I ask that God do whatever and bring whatever is needed to make me who He wants me to be.

Sounds simple. Yet I know there are many painful things that have come into my life after asking that. It hurts. It tears me apart. It breaks me into more and more pieces.

I also know that each time I grow more and those things change me and draw me closer and closer to the one who made me, and closer to who He wants me to be.

Scares me each time the thought to pray such is laid on my heart.


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#297674 - 08/01/09 09:02 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: JustScott]
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I want so much to believe. To believe in something or someone! How do you do it? The answer I usually get is. . . "you just have to have faith". . . . but HOW. . . how do you have faith?


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#297675 - 08/01/09 09:38 AM Re: do you pray? [Re: jggab]
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the way i got faith was to ask for it.

but to ask for it presumes that there is a place from which it can be gotten. and i think that's where some people get stuck, because if they can't see it, they can't believe it to be there.

hebrews 1: The fundamental fact of existence is that this trust in God, this faith, is the firm foundation under everything that makes life worth living. It's our handle on what we can't see. [from 'the message']

i saw this snippet from isaiah 45 the other day which reconfirmed the whole faith thing for me:

Does clay talk back to the potter:
'What are you doing? What clumsy fingers!'
Would a sperm say to a father,
'Who gave you permission to use me to make a baby?'
Or a fetus to a mother,
'Why have you cooped me up in this belly?'"

i don't only use the judeo christian sacred writings for inspiration, i use others as well, but this was a good example for why i open myself to cultivating a relationship with the formless presence that imagines, generates, directs and sustains the life force that wears these bones in the sphere of time and space.

i'll add to this: just start acting like you believe, using the same passion that cried out thru the question you typed. spend 5 minutes once or twice a day, just sitting quietly and asking for the spirit to be present with you. god's presence is palpable, and once you meet it, nothing will ever taste as sweet.

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