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#292038 - 06/17/09 08:19 AM The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable
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Unlike Americans!

http://market-ticker.org/archives/1122-Proud-To-Be-American-You-Should-Be-Ashamed.html

Proud To Be American? You Should Be Ashamed

We have seen the largest looting operation in history perpetrated against The American People.

Over $5 trillion dollars in junk securities were marketed and sold. They had a real value of about $2 trillion dollars; the other $3 trillion, roughly, was pure fiction.

The banks created and sold these throughout the world, with the full knowledge and support of Congress, The Fed, and the banks themselves.

It was pure fraud.

Granting someone a "mortgage" based only on whether they can fog a mirror is proof positive of malfeasance, unless you disclose this fact to the buyers of these securities - a fact that was not disclosed until after the securities blew up.

Lenders, builders and others pressured appraisers to "hit the numbers" to support these fraudulent deals. Proof of that is found in the nearly-10-year-old Appraisers Petition bearing thousands of appraiser signatures.

That ratings were a "mistake", either real or intentional, is a matter of now-known historical fact.

Americans have sat on their butts through all of this, allowed their 401ks and IRAs to be trashed, their supposed "home values" to be pumped and then destroyed, and their hopes, dreams, employment and house have all vanished into the ether of fraud.

When this came to light the banks went to Congress, and supported by The Fed's intentional draining of liquidity to create an immediate "crisis", they got a $700 billion bailout bill passed - one that you, your children and grandchildren, will have to pay for.

The government then passed another near-trillion-dollar "stimulus" bill claimed to hold unemployment to 8%. It did not, because it was yet another "papering over" of the fraud, but that bill your children and grandchildren, along with you, will also pay.

Your savings accounts and CDs now yield an effective zero.

Your credit card interest rates have gone from 11% to 29%, all so that the banks can keep granting ill-advised credit to people who can't pay. Those who can pay - the rest of you - are being jacked for 30% a year in interest.

We have seen a few "tea parties" in which a few people showed up and which were immediately panned by "those in power" as "astroturf."

Contrast with this.

A few days ago, Iran held an election. It is alleged that there was massive fraud. The current President claimed victory under less-than-clear circumstances.

The people said "hell no!" in this sort of demonstration:

That's about 2 million people, out of 70 million population (roughly), or one in thirty-five Iranians in the entire nation who took to the streets to demand justice in a simple vote.

More strikingly, Tehran has a population of roughly 12 million; this means that one in six citizens of the city are standing in that crowd.

This, despite the fact that the government there has been shooting people, has arrested the opposition party and issued an order to burn the ballots so there can be no recount.

This, despite the fact that the Iranian population does not enjoy a Second Amendment, and thus is forced to fight a rogue government with makeshift molotov cocktails, rocks and clubs, should that rogue government choose to shoot.

And this was about an election. A President. One man.

In our nation we have literally had 1/3rd of our GDP - that is, 1/3rd of everything you worked for last year - stolen by a bunch of fraudsters with the explicit cooperation and assistance of the government.

We should be seeing 10 million Americans literally closing Washington DC with peaceful protest in the streets - making the entirety of the downtown inaccessible to vehicles and the normal conduct of business impossible, were Americans to display the same sort of anger over an insult vastly more serious than that served upon the Iranian people.

If one in six Americans had enough in America's big cities, there would be one million people in the Streets of Chicago - enough to fill Chicago's Loop from Lake Michigan to I-90/94 and from The Chicago River to beyond Soldier Field, rendering the city core impassable. (Roughly double the crowd that shows up for the 4th of July Fireworks, to put it in perspective. "Greater Chicagoland" has a population of ~7 million)

The same in NY City would result in a crowd of 3.3 million people.

Where are you America?

In America, if the government turns into a goon squad, you have the constitutionally-protected ability to shoot back. In Iran you have no such ability as the Iranian government has never recognized the unalienable rights as set forth in our Declaration.

So in Iran the population risks mass death to protest.

In America the population risks loss of some income since you'd have to cut work.

The Iranians take to the streets; we take to our couches and have another beer.

Grow a pair of balls America.

The people of Iran are putting us to shame.


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#292041 - 06/17/09 08:25 AM Re: The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable [Re: Hauser]
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(plagiarized)

I think we have met the enemy and it is us. We’re a bunch of fast food nourished, MTV anesthetized, shopping mall, plug-in-drug (aka television) addicts who will do anything to preserve that way of life at least until we die. After that who cares?

We’re a lazy, socially disconnected, politically inept and intellectually bankrupt nation of douche bags who deserve everything they get.

Where have all the heroes gone? Where are all the pioneers? Where are the visionaries? Where are the true statesmen? Where are the defenders of freedom? What has happened to the American Spirit of life and liberty? I guess they’re all at the mall or Starbucks and are too fat to get up out of their chair and fight. Or they’re looking forward to retirement and the "good life" after spending their life being a good soldier and playing by the rules and saving for the "golden years" while their real golden years of youth were passing them by. Certainly they can’t be asked to risk all that for something as silly as their children’s futures. How selfish of me.

Or maybe we don’t want to risk our children’s well-being now, so we defer it until they’re adults and let them deal with the fact that they can’t afford college or health care or a home without going into enormous debt and we never teach them the importance of things like: character, honor, integrity, truth and freedom but rather teach them how to live in fear and how important it is to get a "good job" and play by the rules and to go along to get along and that will be safe.

We’re pathetic.


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#292086 - 06/17/09 04:32 PM Re: The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable [Re: Hauser]
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You are right that most Americans have financial and family obligations that prohibit participation in the kind of demonstrations that we have seen in Iran recently. The downside of loosing your job these days is pretty high with the official unemployment rate at nearly 10% and many more Americans out of work now than a comparable rate in 1982. It is easy to wonder where the leaders of the opposition are if you don't remember history well. What happened to Lyndon LaRouche or the guys who lead the last couple of independent trucker's strikes? They are all buddies of General Noriega's now. Despite our proclamation about free speech, the right to freely lead opposition groups is not a right here these days. Many people who have protested have been thrown out of their jobs or tossed in the can. Even the leaders of the last big grocery strike here in Denver in the mid-1990s did some jail time, along with many of their top supporters.

In 1970, a couple million people descended on Washington, DC to protest the Vietnam War. Back in the 1960s a speech by Dr. King drew nearly as many. Many thousands of participants at both demonstrations were arrested and brutalized in D.C. jails. The same year as the Vietnam protest 4 college kids were shot down at Kent State and a couple more at another college by National Guard troops. 43 people died in the Detroit riots, 10 innocents including women and children when a National Guard tank blew the top floor right off of an apartment building trying to silence a sniper. As many as 10,000 people died in the NYC draft riots of 1863 when Lincoln called out the troops to restore order. Even I got tear-gassed at a Vietnam protest in NYC in 1971. So the notion that organized street protest here is without substantial risk to participants because of free speech rights is a fallacy.

What do you think would have happened if our leaders had told us the whole truth about the severity of the financial crisis? Has Obama's stimulus been an absolute failure because we weren't told the whole truth last Winter or perhaps the entire truth wasn't known at that time? If you haven't done any substantial interstate driving lately you might not know that this Summer's road construction is much more pervasive than in Summer's past. This is because of the stimulus funding, which has provided many jobs in highway construction that would not have been provided otherwise. And there are other jobs being provided in other infrastructure projects too. It has been estimated that the vast majority of underground piping in major cities on the East Coast and in the Midwest is highly suspicious too. More than half of our Mississippi River bridges are structurally-deficient, and most NYC river bridges fall into that category too. Could you imagine the effect on free trade between the States of loosing half of our river bridge capacity in a few short years?

Yes, things are almost as bad now as they were in the Great Depression. Do you think that every company or entity that is in financial trouble should be allowed to fail, thereby driving many millions more unemployed into the streets to live in tents? This already happened in the Great Depression. The CCC and the TVA projects back then were government stimulus projects to get people working again. America didn't really recover from the Great Depression until WW II. I agree that many of the people who participated in this fraud should not be bailed-out and that their leaders should join General Noriega and his friends somewhere safe so that they can't do this again. But how do you propose to get America working and spending again, because our way of life here pretty much depends on it???

Start small: Get some signs printed-up at Kinko's, then stand on a street corner and wave at passing traffic. Maybe get your own protest website up and running, your own blogsite too. Print-up and pass out flyers to Rockies or Broncos fans heading home from the ballgame. Find, attend, and eventually lead a protest group. Take on some risk for your cause. Just remember where you work, a major defense contractor, and what kind of a problem that your public opposition to our current government might cause for your bosses. All that it would take to get you fired is for some General or Senator to mention your name as a public nuisance to someone way up the food chain over there.

I hate to say it Alan, but most of us Americans are along for the ride here, whether we like it or not. The sooner that you realize this, the happier that you will be. There are officially-sanctioned ways to protest within the system, and my guess is that someday you will find your calling there. Yes, what happened to us economically last Fall was grand theft on a colossal scale. The question now is not what happened or who lied to us for whatever reason, but instead it is where do we go from here?

Just my twopence, as they say in Britain,

Mark

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#292092 - 06/17/09 05:44 PM Re: The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable [Re: Trucker51]
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Alan.

It maybe because tha Iranians have no second amendments protection to free speech that they are now in the streets. How else can they voice their dissatisfaction with their present polical situation. It like comparing apples and oranges is it not.
Same thing that happened in China over twenty years ago and look at the ecomonic changes that have occur there.
Most people in the world only want the opportunity to be able to find employment so they can support their families.
The rest is just fluff to them.

Mike





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#292115 - 06/17/09 08:45 PM Re: The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable [Re: michael banks]
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Thank you for your insightful reply Mark.

Mike? You make a VERY astute observation. The citizens of Iran can't simply make posts or write letters to the local paper like I do. It's a very simple and yet important thing to consider. They HAVE to protest this way, or else they get thrown in jail. (safety in numbers)

Thank you for your comments. (you too Mark) smile


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#292181 - 06/18/09 09:28 AM Re: The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable [Re: Hauser]
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The government in Iran is indeed recounting some of the votes, but if you look closely, it's not at the behest of the protesting people. Remember that the president is not the Top Dog over there.

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#292183 - 06/18/09 09:40 AM Re: The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable [Re: melliferal]
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I'm well aware of that Mel, that's not the point. It's over one stupid election, of which the position in question is mostly symbolic. But look at those people go!!! They're MAKING the government ANSWER to them!

Why aren't we doing this in America? We're experiencing theft on the grandest of scales. And yet, we do nothing. Oh, wait, we write letters and make phone calls to our Representatives, yay. A lot of good THAT does. What was it, something like 1000 to 1 phone calls that were demanding no bailouts that our leaders received prior to voting for these "bailouts"? 1000 to 1? Obviously they don't give a shit what we the people think or want.

The fact is, as long as Americans cans get to the drive-through at Wendy's, talk on their Nextels, and watch American Idol or the latest Lost episode, they won't do a damn thing. We are pathetic. No other word better describes us.



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#292228 - 06/18/09 04:37 PM Re: The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable [Re: Hauser]
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What do you want, a massive depression that wipes-out almost everyone and results in many millions of our countrymen, women and children too, being forced into tent cities and souplines, just like back in the 1930s? At least you and I are partially-covered if the value of our Dollar is consumed by hyper-inflation. Many people are not covered, remember.

Remember, we don't get an election every time the President has to make a decision that is distasteful to some. Nor do we have a Federal recall process either. A whole lot of people around the Great Lakes region weren't too happy with the economic policies of the last President, and our realistic options are one or the other. The deck is stacked against minority-party candidates.

My guess is that in a couple of years, the only Americans that will be able to afford to eat at any of the remaining Wendy's are those who have hard currency to shop with. I saw some story on MSN Money yesterday that our stock traders are getting more and more worried that there just isn't any more remaining money to invest in lifting the stock and commodities markets above where they are now at. Most everyone who would invest is either in the market or is wiped-out. And without economic growth to balance all of this money printing and borrowing, we are in deep economic trouble in the longer-term.

So my guess is that while you are still working, it wouldn't be the worst move to invest some percentage of your spare income into silver or gold, which will skyrocket in value when our fiat paper currency falls in value like the setting sun. Another possibility that goes way up when the value of gold rises is my stepdad's brother's one mutual fund. Take a look at the last 6 month's return on Van Eck Global's Int'l Inv. Gold-A fund. Even their Asian Market's growth fund has been doing well. Might as well get ready, because our economic future doesn't look good.

The less people who get ready, the richer that those of us who did will be!!!

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#292320 - 06/19/09 10:41 AM Re: The Iranians Actually Make Government Accountable [Re: Hauser]
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Originally Posted By: Hauser
I'm well aware of that Mel, that's not the point. It's over one stupid election, of which the position in question is mostly symbolic. But look at those people go!!! They're MAKING the government ANSWER to them!


It's not looking that way from my end.

Quote:
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei addressed a crowd at Tehran University in a sermon during Friday prayers.

His speech was greatly anticipated amid massive protests from supporters of opposition leaders such as Mir Hossein Moussavi, who disputed the government's assertion that Ahmadinejad won in a landslide.

While Khamenei called on those who don't believe the results to use proper legal avenues, such as requesting the recounting of ballots in their presence, he did not issue a call for a new vote.

He also criticized the street protests and said those who caused violence during demonstrations would be held accountable.


Sounds to me like the government won't be answering to anybody. The Ayatollah says Ahmadinejad beat the challenger by over 11 million votes - it wasn't even close. So now, instead of a nation's populace struggling against corruption, what we've really had all this time is a minority group all pissed and setting things on fire because their darling didn't win.

Oh yeah - also, the riots in Iran were all our fault.

Quote:
The supreme leader took on what he considers enemies of Iran -- the United States, Britain, Israel and apparently those inside the country -- for manipulating and undermining the process. Watch Khamenei defend the outcome of the election »

He criticized international media messages that the election pitted people who support the government against those who oppose it. He said all four candidates -- Ahmadinejad, Moussavi, Mohsen Rezaie and Mehdi Karrubi -- support the Islamic revolution.

...

At various junctures through the talk members of the crowd chanted: "Allah is Great," "Death to Israel," "Death to America," "Death to Britain."


Business as usual.

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