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#289517 - 05/30/09 03:30 PM On North Korea:
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So utters the words of our great puppet-in-chief Mr. Obama; ďThe world will not stand for a Nuclear-Armed North KoreaĒ.

Let me translate that for you;

ďAmerican politicians know that we canít do a damned thing to a country that is willing and able to defend itself with Nuclear Weapons and the 4th largest Army in the world, and since we wonít change our interventionist\dictator-propping foreign policy, we have to worry about NK selling the weapons or technology aboard to countries or terrorists who might eventually use them against usĒ.

Isnít it ironic that, say, Sweden and Switzerland donít seem the least bit worried about who has nuclear weapons? Can you think of a terrorist that has the slightest notion of blowing up Helsinki, or Zurich? Have you ever thought of why that is? Might that have something to do with these countries minding their own damned business and not meddling in the affairs of far-away countries by propping up foreign dictators and policing the world and invading and occupying sovereign countries and taking sides in every petty little dispute between 3rd world countries?

Golly gee Mr. Obama, maybe if you stopped pissing off everyone around the world like your predecessors, our country could stop worrying about who has what weapons? But no, you wonít change your foreign policy, youíll keep occupying Iraq, youíll keep bombing innocent people in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and youíll keep telling Isreal and Palestinians what to do and where to live and how to live, youíll keep policing the world (except Africa of course, nobody cares what happens there).

Wait! I have an idea! Letís start a war by interdicting the shipping of a sovereign country called North Korea!!! Letís call their bluff!!!! They have 20 thousand guns trained on Seoul, and they promised there would be a ďSea of FireĒ if we interdicted their export ships. Letís call their bluff!!!!



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#289520 - 05/30/09 04:04 PM Re: On North Korea: [Re: Hauser]
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The day after N. Korea had its tests, our U.S. Air Force was conducting strategic rehearsals in the air

Allen

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Edited by pufferfish (05/30/09 11:53 PM)
Edit Reason: changed games to rehearsals

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#289536 - 05/30/09 05:34 PM Re: On North Korea: [Re: pufferfish]
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I'm just not so sure we're in a position to say that we are fit to have nuclear weapons and other countries aren't when we are the only country to have ever actually used them against another country.

I think it won't be long at all before everyone's finger will be on the doomsday button no matter how things play out and then we will either have to destroy ourselves and become just another species that didn't work or become a species that does work somehow.

I'm not placing any bets either way.. just crossing my fingers I guess.




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#289546 - 05/30/09 07:34 PM Re: On North Korea: [Re: Jaifian]
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Registered: 06/12/08
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Allan,

Sorry to inform you but president Obama didn't create this foreign policy mess only inherited it from Harry S Truman. Who should have allowed Gen. Mccarthur to finish the Korean War. We would not still be exposing our troops their dangers to this day.
Have to ever talked to a So.Korean who lives near the dmz about how they feel about our government policy towards No.Korea. Or the fact our troops are there to deferr the No. Koreans from attacking. I have and they are DAMN glad we are there.
Also if I remember my facts right it was the No.Koreans who invaded So Korea. and not us invading No. Korea.
Alot of this posturing is in regards to Kim jong's ill health.
And this guy does not have all his marbles to begin with just look at the conditions that the No. Koreans are living under.
The only ace in the hole that No. Korea has is it's nuclear and missile program. To threaten the world to help them out.
And if they conitue to take this couarse of action and ill rational behavior. I feel we and our allise should take whatever action is necessary to take out their capabilities and silence this threat once and for all.

If Hilter taught us one thing, it is that madmen don't stop till their stopped. Madmen only respect strenght.

And if Kim Jong and the No.Koreans won't stop playing this game of brinkmanship. I feel that we should nuke them back into the stone age (if necessary) before they can actually deliver a nuclear warhead into my backyard. And the conditions they now living under that would not be a very big step back.

Semper Fi

Mike

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#289593 - 05/30/09 10:33 PM Re: On North Korea: [Re: michael banks]
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Edited by king tut (05/30/09 11:35 PM)
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#289597 - 05/30/09 10:42 PM Re: On North Korea: [Re: michael banks]
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Hello again Mike.............

Let me get this right, ok?

You're advocating attacking them first? Wow......ummm ok. But under what pretense though? Why are they not allowed to have Nukes, where as the Israelis or the Pakistanis or the Chinese can have them? Where is the moral basis of that, or more importantly, what is the PRACTICAL basis of that?

Take China for instance, Back in the 50's and early 60's, we could have taken the same hard line stance with China, we could have said "You're bad evil commie bastards and the world won't stand for a Nuclear-armed China." But we didn't take that route. No. Instead, we TRADED with them. We peacfully traded with them even though we knew Mao Tse Tung and his friends were killing millions of his own people!

And look at China now.........they're becoming more and more capitalistic as time goes on, where as our country is rocketing straight into fascism and socialistic policies. How ironic.

I mean, COME ON you guys, do you REALLY think NK would be stupid enough to "start a war" with one of their immediate neighbors? The pinheads leading that country are many things, but they're not suicidal.

I don't know HOW our "leaders" can be so upset and intimidated by a country that can't even feed itself.


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#289604 - 05/30/09 11:17 PM Re: On North Korea: [Re: Hauser]
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Alan,

I know my view is hardline because those guys in no. Korea don't understand anything else. But the time for playing footsie with these idiots is over.

I don't think that the U.S, or anybody else has the right to dictate what technology any country may have. But when said country is doing it to intimidate and threaten their neightbors and the rest of the world. Then there behaviors can no longer be ignored.

Just ask British Prime Ministry Chamberlain if if you can placate madmen who do only what is in their best intersted. Or bury our heads in the sand to the threat posed by No. Korea as Chamberlain did with Hilter so many years ago. And what was the result of that policy was it not WWII.

Alan, the No.Koreans did start a war and invade it's closes neightbor. Is that not why americans such as myself have been serving and maintaining peace over there since the 50's.

The no.korean military has even more outdated equipment and weapons then the iraqis had. And how long did it take the U.S. military too take them out. Plus the no.korean ecomony is not even capable to sustain any type of conflict.

We don't even have to have war with them why not just remove their ability to produce nuclear fuel and their missle producing capacity. I am sure the Air force has the conventional weapons to do so without using nuclear weapons. We all ready have a nuclear naval task force and stealth bombers stationed in japan capable of taking out these sites.

Maybe if these idiots knew we are serious in our intent they may give more sreious thought to their behavior.

Or do we wait till a nuclear missile is on the way to Seattle, San fransico, or L.A.


Lewis,

There is alot of ugly people doing alot of ugly things to each other.
and too many people just turning and looking the other way.
I agree with your point that something needs to be done.

Mike





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#289612 - 05/30/09 11:49 PM Re: On North Korea: [Re: michael banks]
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Quote:
Or do we wait till a nuclear missile is on the way to Seattle, San Fransisco, or L.A.


Actually... for some that would be an absolutely wonderful and favorable thing to do.

The US people would be scared shitless, and then they'll agree to any "fascist/commie" policy that is suggested if it means they'l be "safe" from whatever it is their afraid of at the time.

After all, it was recently said by quite a few in power in our country, "Never let a good crisis go to waste!!"

Call me a conspiracy theorist. >:)


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#289616 - 05/31/09 12:03 AM Re: On North Korea: [Re: JustScott]
michael banks Offline


Registered: 06/12/08
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Scott,

Maybe you and Alan should move over to China for a few years and see how horrible you actually have it here.
I perfer to live in a country where you are allow to speak your mind and have opinions. To believe in conspiracies if you so choose.
I have been on that side of the world.

Mike

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"IT ought never be forgotten that the past is the parent of the future" John C. Calhoun

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#289617 - 05/31/09 12:05 AM Re: On North Korea: [Re: michael banks]
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Oh I've never said that I have it horrible here. Never would I dain to say such a thing. I've been to various countries in order to help and assist and I've seen how bad it is in others places.

I was just saying that when it comes to doing something or not doing.... there are those who would wait to do anything so that THEY could benefit from the situation.


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