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#28957 - 05/04/02 08:46 PM What's the percentage of faked abuse?
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I'm just wondering. We've all seen it if we've spent much time reading the posts at "survivor" websites. Or paying attention to what's going on out here in society. The Hollywood set is famous for this. The moment it became cool to be an adult survivor of childhood sexual victimization they all jumped on the bandwagon claiming victimhood. Along with a gazillion others. It's reached the point now that "Southpark" is cracking jokes about adult survivors. Tell someone in law enforcement you're having "recovered memories" and you'll be laughed out of the stationhouse. Obviously there's a lot of scamming going on. But to what extent?


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#28958 - 05/05/02 12:33 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
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Well that's a big relief. Last time I posted this question at a "male survivors" website it ended up getting me banned from the site. It's a relief to see that we've progressed to the point where the "questions that can't be asked",can be. I've not once seen the subject of fake victims discussed at ANY survivor website,male or female. Yet it is of vital importance. The phenomenon muddies the waters for REAL victims. It creates believability problems as regards victims' interaction with law enforcement,social workers,therapists,the psychiatric profession,the general public and our own family members. Worst effect of this is it stops real victims from coming forth lest they be tagged as liars,nutcases,opportunists or snivelers seeking to blame others for their failed lives. Childhood sexual molestation really does destroy lives. It should'nt be treated lightly. It's not a game. There are 280,000,000 people in America. That means there are literally many millions of people here who were molested during childhood who have not as yet spoken out. It's my belief that the majority of these victims experienced "implied" molestation at an early age. Example being a little girl sitting on her father's lap and she feels his erection. That's as far as things proceed. But it will forever affect that child's interaction with her family. Thirty years later she might call the incident a "recovered memory". Was she molested? Indeed she was.


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#28959 - 05/05/02 02:58 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
getteddie Offline
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Registered: 07/19/01
Posts: 226
Loc: Cub Hill, Md
I noticed a few fakes last year on the net...they were girls claming to be male SA survivors...traced them back to Tueson AZ...took about a year to do so...and wore me out thinking about it!!!!! One girl did over 50 male servivors...always used the little faces like most girls do. Watch the way people type...man and wife typing the same???? Ten guys chating up a storm and all the same! It drove me nuts thinking about people doing this so I stopped and did what my therapist said to do...believe everyone???

Eddie


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#28960 - 05/05/02 04:48 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
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The fakes are often obvious. A guy eroticizing the story of his abuse is a giveaway. Men who hav'nt lived thru the real thing fantasize how cool it would be. I read one post at another male survivor site last year where the guy claimed he was ass-raped at age 8 and "came six times". Yeah. Sure. Another giveaway is what I call "fantastic" stories. Guy claims he was raped at age 4 by the babysitter,at age 6 by his school teacher,at age 10 by his piano instructer. Then in quick succession by his father,brother,uncle,the family dog,neighbors,passers-by,space aliens,etc. He must have an asshole the size of Texas by now! The most upsetting posts are from pedophile sadists.


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#28961 - 05/06/02 12:42 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
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Registered: 04/27/02
Posts: 57
Loc: NY
Considering that from time to time, woman are found to have lied about being raped (which does the plight of those who have actually been raped), and considering how reluctant most people are to talk about the abuse they suffered and live with from day to day, there must be more than a few who say they've been abused for some twisted reason.
The trouble is, its like the story of the boy who cried wolf - only more so. Those who cry wolf discredit those who have lived through this, making things that little bit harder. And I don't need things to be more difficult. Got enough of that. Got a surplus actually - though things have been getting better.
As far as I'm concerned, there is nothing that can be done about them, except to sincerely wish a curse of seeping boils on all of them.


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#28962 - 05/06/02 03:04 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
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Registered: 09/12/00
Posts: 667
Loc: Northern California Foothills
I heard a talk by a therapist who deals with perpetrators a lot. All of the perps in his (usually court ordered) therapy groups have to take a lie detector test to disclose all of their offenses. He said that something like 85% initially say that they had been abused as a child but when they take the lie detector only about half of those were truthful (~43%). He said that the perps think that if they say they were also abused it somehow mitigates their crimes.

Men generally don't tell about the abuse that happened to them when they were boys until much later on in life if at all. It took me 38 years to tell anyone at all. I'm inspired by seeing younger guys here dealing with it at an earlier age. The secrecy that is invoked by the perps, the shame and all the bad feelings of 'it was my fault' just keep it bottled up and enable the perps to find more victims.

Steve

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#28963 - 05/06/02 04:07 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
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Steve,you hit the target dead on! The statistics indicating perps result from their own childhood sexual abuse are a big friggin joke. The pedos & boylovers out there know they'll be busted eventually and they've got their little excuse all ready to go. "It was'nt my fault(snivel,snivel). I was molested when I was a kid(whimper). I'm a victim too(bwaa,sniff)". It's SOP for defense attornies representing pedos to ask their clients if they were victims of childhood molestation. If the perp says no,he was'nt the attorney says "Gee,that's too bad. It really would've helped in your defense if you were". The perp says instantly "Wait a minute. I think I'm having recovered memories. Oh yeah now I remember. It's getting clearer now. Yup,I was assfucked when I was a kid. That gave me the idea right there that I oughta grow up to assfuck kids myself". Attorney responds "Ha,ha. I'll have the jury crying tears for you like Niagra Falls. You won't go to prison. You'll go to a hospital and get treatment you poor soul".


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#28964 - 05/06/02 06:59 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
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Spider-man hit the target,too. The "twisted reason" can't be much plainer. Kids subjected to pedophiles,incestous fathers,mothers,older brothers,etc or boylovers have their underpinnings yanked out from beneath them. There's a LOT of folks out there who think "Gee,I wish I had been molested. That way it'd serve as an excuse for my pathetically fucked up life. I'll bet I was molested. In fact the more I think about it the more I'm sure I was. The memories are starting to come back now. Okay,I've got it now. I was raped by satanists and forced to slaughter babies and eat them. I'll write a book about it,go on tv,do the talk show circuit".


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#28965 - 05/07/02 03:23 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
getteddie Offline
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Registered: 07/19/01
Posts: 226
Loc: Cub Hill, Md
This is all true and great for the outside world but what about right here...Nothing can be done??????? Members after 6 months have to prove that they have 2 Pdocs..M.D. and a therapist...can something be done...hakers check out everyone...anything!!!! Or do we do nothing and go along with the rest of the world????

Eddie


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#28966 - 05/07/02 07:13 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
Anonymous
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Only thing that can be done is be aware of the societal attractiveness of victimization. It's the times we live in and that's just the way it is. Something good happens like recognition of the afteraffects of childhood sexual molestation and >>BANG<< ten zillion wannabes jump on the bandwagon falsely claiming themselves victims and throwing hissyfits should anyone even slightly disbeliev their story of abuse. It's nice to be given a freebie,a get out of jail free card. Claiming victimhood and it not being contested due to political correctness is an open door policy to all the hurting people out there. All the real survivors can do is use common sense. If it looks like a duck,quacks like a duck,etc well it's probably a duck. This should be an important issue to professional therapists. Should someone come to them seeking help as the result of childhood sexual molestion/incest it must be asked is this the situation we're dealing with or is something else involved? If it's something else it's dealt with in another mannor. Otherwise the therapist is just taking the "victim's" money and wasting everyones' time.


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#28967 - 05/07/02 08:10 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
Lloydy Offline
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Registered: 04/17/02
Posts: 7071
Loc: England Shropshire
does "false victimisation" gather it's own momentum ? I think it does, can anyone remember the rash of ritual abuse claims that swept New Zealand a few years back along with all the claims of recovered memory ?
I think that if I had been subjected to the degree of abuse some of these people claimed, and there were claims of bestiality and sacrifice as well, all on a huge scale; then the memory would have been so imprinted it wouldn't need recovering.
Some people smell compensation, others a 5 minute slot on Oprah, and some an excuse for just being an arse.

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#28968 - 05/07/02 09:03 PM Re: What's the percentage of faked abuse?
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You're dead-on there,Lloydy. Websearch "ritual abuse" right now and you'll find websites devoted to the phenomenon. Personally,I was kidnapped by a well organized group of satanists & forced to listen to 70s rock groups till I puked.
There's a lady lives down the street from me. She holds a position with the National Housecat Protection Society. She's been using methamphetamine for years. Say's it's for weight loss. Brags it has no effect on her. Claims the satanists have invaded our local police department. I'm afraid to call a cop now. Who knows what'll show up? The mind boggles!


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