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#288383 - 05/21/09 09:52 PM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 05/04/08
Posts: 116
Loc: TN
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There are a lot of words that trigger or I can say or hear yet. It's hard some times
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#288386 - 05/21/09 10:47 PM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 1607
Loc: durham, north england
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Hi.
this is sounding very familiar. Ever sinse i became an adult, words like the S word have been incredibly painful for me to here, ---- and anything more explicite feels incredibly wrong, like a small electric shock in the back of my neck. this covers just about any discussion of the subject at all in anything more than the widest sense.
I know exactly where this comes from, sinse humour on that subject was a pretty major part of my abuse, so I got entirely used to believing something bad would happen whenever I got close to the subject, but it just feels like a reflext reaction to me, ---- something I can't kick.
Talking on this site has helped, as has having adult discussions about the subject with people who know my history and can use euphemisms, which helps me separate the subject from the phonemes that bother me, but sinse the subject itself also bothers me, I've never managed a work around at all and this is something I'm stil trying to get around.
I'm hoping that if I can work on my fear of the subject, it'll decrease fear of the word, ---- but this is proving a long process.
I'm now reminding myself of Harry potter and "he who must not be named" and the business abou fear of a name creating fear of the thing itself.
thanks for raising this topic, it's really nice to know that other people are working on this as well, and I deffinately hope you find a way around it.
Luke.
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#288393 - 05/21/09 11:26 PM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: dark empathy]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 01/24/03
Posts: 310
Loc: Texas
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For a long time, I could not memorize the serenity prayer because I would go blank when I got to the word "Trusting".
Trust is, in my estimation an irrational concept.
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#288443 - 05/22/09 09:51 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: MrEdd]
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Registered: 04/16/09
Posts: 287
Loc: desolate foggy nights, USA
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I hate the "locker room conversations." Especially among the professionals, it seems so out of place.
I myself have a hard time typing the word "come" as in to approach or draw near, because of the other connotation. I will restructure the sentence or paragraph to avoid it.
As a professional I sometimes have to adress human sexualtiy, and as a legitimate topic of concern or academically I can do so. Probably because I am in control of the quality and direction of said discussion.
Peace, Shadow+Walker
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#288672 - 05/24/09 09:30 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 02/13/08
Posts: 2286
Loc: UK
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I find the word "abused" actually quite hard to say out loud to people, i think it is because i feel so much that when i say the word out loud that it shows on my face that i know the word very well, and that makes me nervous. It doesn't stop me from using the word though.
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I love you, little lewis, and i will never leave you. We are the same. You brighten my day, and i will make sure that i brighten yours. Hugs and kisses.
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#288674 - 05/24/09 10:17 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: king tut]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 05/04/08
Posts: 116
Loc: TN
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The hardest one for me to hear or say is I love you. It was used too much during the CSA
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#288684 - 05/24/09 11:20 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: christianfather]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 02/13/08
Posts: 2286
Loc: UK
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The hardest one for me to hear or say is I love you. It was used too much during the CSA That's a good point, when words or phrases are used during he abuse then it takes some work to wash them clean and use them in the way that they are meant to be used, like being a 'good boy'
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"...until lambs become lions"
I love you, little lewis, and i will never leave you. We are the same. You brighten my day, and i will make sure that i brighten yours. Hugs and kisses.
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#288690 - 05/24/09 11:47 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: king tut]
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Junior Member
Registered: 01/02/01
Posts: 157
Loc: Swindon, UK
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I find saying any words related to abusive issues real easy now, but like most guys here, used to avoid them at all costs. I refuse to allow the past, which includes words used against me, to stop me living my life
Today, none, but one could potentially trigger me..and thats because I still find it offensive...but i wont allow it it have control over me, and therefore when said in my company I make sure that they know what the word means to me, and I often get an apology, though that is not what I wanted, just them to understand that words can hurt almost as much as the physical acts can do
§tèvë
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#288698 - 05/24/09 01:27 PM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: steveb121]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 07/27/08
Posts: 2391
Loc: TEXAS
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Hi my brothers in pain.
Words that were (still) hard for me to say are. Mom. Dear. Honey. I love you. Give me a hug. Sorry. All the above, towards any female including my (seperated) wife.
There are probably more, but that's all that I can remember right now.
Heal well my brothers/friends.
Pete (Irishmoose)
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#288759 - 05/25/09 05:56 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 1607
Loc: durham, north england
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Hi Sam.
This is sounding familiar as well. Before I went to uni I tried humerous work arounds, but they rather crumbled when I realized that by using them I was joking on the subject which made me in my own site as bad as my abusers.
On a couple of occasions I did try to confront things, either by watching a comedy with that sort of smutty humour, or by reading the scientific artical on wikipedia on the subject, ----- but these tactics never seemed to work either.
i think I only really admitted to myself that things were abnormal when in the second year of my degree, my friend and I were reading each other's essays for political philosophy, and he'd written about the ethics of pornography.
While that word didn't bother me, (I doubt my abusers could've even spelled the word), a lot of his essay went into details, and I suddenly realized, ----- hold on a minute, there's something severely wrong here.
It's only really sinse I started recovery that I've really tried to do something about this in a structured way, in fact my reading of the artical on male abuse on wikipedia was what lead me to this site in the first place, and I'm slowly realizing that it's not just my pavlovian reactions to certain words, but that there are a hole bunch of other fears behind that tied up wit the subject and my reactions.
I'm really hoping I can get started on this with my T in the near future.
The thing I've found most confusing, is that people, ---- particularly girls, see my reaction as "sweet" it's really quite hard to square feeling incredibly frozen, uncomfortable and deeply hurt, with being told "oh that's so sweet"
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#288763 - 05/25/09 06:59 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: king tut]
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Registered: 03/30/09
Posts: 33
Loc: Australia
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"i love you" or "it will be different"
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#288872 - 05/26/09 02:19 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 1607
Loc: durham, north england
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On the basic swearing front, I would also highly avoid such things for a very long time. I remember in fact physically not being able to watch certain films just because of the swearing content, ----- particularly those which had something to do with the body or the general subject which causes problems.
to a large extent, I had to examine my atitude to many swear words when i got to uni, sinse I had several incredibly good friends (of both genders), who'd use them casually. Not all the time in general conversation as my abusers did, ---- but if they had a reason, if something whent wrong, they'd not hold back.
I thus had to re-evaluate things completely, sinse I couldn't just my friends as bad for using such language.
I've never heard "poor baby" from any of my female friends (I'd guess that's a uk vs us thing), my problem with being told "oh that's so sweet" is that it feels so incredibly wrong. I don't find it patronizing, sinse usually it's not meant that way, I just find it incredibly at odds with the situation.
On some occasions I've actively run into people (especially girls), who will play on my reaction to certain words just to get them. This situation is so profoundly similar to my abuse I usually just end up turning around and leaving.
Reading this topic, I actually realize that i do have a problem with hearing the words "I love you" it's something my mum has noticed on quite a few occasions, ---- -sinse when she says it, I'll usually respond with "mmmm" or something similarly noncommital.
I suspect this is involved with my hole self-isteme problem.
thanks again for this topic Sam, your deffinately making me think about things.
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#288944 - 05/26/09 03:08 PM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 1607
Loc: durham, north england
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i think the problem I have with "I love you" is all to do with worthlessness,which seems my main demon in recovery terms, even more than fear.
It's very strange, I can pick up when other people are depressed, angry bothered, happy or feeling a hole lot of other emotions, but I have a huuuuuuuge blind spot when other's emotions are directed at me, ---- and hearing "I love you" from my mum just feels as if she's addressing someone else other than me.
I've never particularly considdered swearing as adult, ----- almost the opposite in fact, sinse my abusers and I were teenagers at the time. For a long while, hearing swearing would make me feel like I was back in that position, and i physically couldn't understand that someone could be a reasonable human being and use such words.
This was I think why being at uni, and meeting people who I admired, and who were kind enough to be my friends, ---- and yet at the same time swore broke the cycle.
I suppose the problem with me and explicite languge is my discomfort reaction gets mistaken for shame or embarrissment, especially sinse I tend to blush and become nervous, and I can't tell people the real reason why those sorts of things bother me so much.
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#289186 - 05/28/09 12:33 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 1607
Loc: durham, north england
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i have had one lucky circumstance on the swearing thing, which is that in England, there are a set of words, ----- such as bloody, which are used as mild swearwords and which I don't find triggering at all. On the few occasions I become angry for one reasons or another, I'll tend to use a stream of those words very loudly, then calm down.
I've also found sarcasm far more use in conveying my anger towards others.
I can be perfectly civil, use no swear words at all, ---- and yet release my anger in an incredibly pointed way. For instance, last week when the university reception informed me they would no longer accept post in braille, they attempted to explain the reasons (that they had changed! their policy), several times, I replied that I fully understood that they were being useless.
When they became shocked, I pointed out to them that sinse the use of a postal service was to send post, if they would no longer accomplish that function for me they were therefore useless.
The set of more extreme swear words, ----- particularly those which are close to the subject I have difficulty with I stil do not say.
One very shocking thing I realized recently, is that there was a point during my abuse when I was releaved to here people using explicite language at me, ----- sinse it was only words, and a lot better than other things which could've been happening. a friend of mine with a Ma in counceling is fairly certain this is where my sense of worthlessness comes from.
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#289275 - 05/28/09 04:07 PM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: dark empathy]
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Administrator Emeritus MaleSurvivor
Registered: 05/02/05
Posts: 22045
Loc: Carlisle, PA
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I used to have a terrible time admitting to someone that I loved them, simply because, as so many of the rest of you already know, the term had such horrible connotations for me from childhood. And I still shudder when I hear the word "lovely", as I was called "lovely boy" by the two worst abusers I had. It was huge for me to begin signing off with "much love', by the way. I think I began doing that here in the fall of 2005. I guess it was a way to keep reminding myself that genuine love can be caring and compassion that has nothing at all to do with sex, or with wanting anything from someone. It's not something that has ever gotten "old" for me. I still type it out each time.  Just goes to show how dramatically things can change for the better. Much love, Larry
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#289301 - 05/28/09 08:07 PM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 08/30/05
Posts: 16259
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Far and away the hardest words I ever had to say in my life were the seven words, "I was sexually abused as a boy." Even now, 6 years after the first dawning of realization, it's still find it difficult in certain situations.
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#289305 - 05/28/09 08:22 PM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: WalkingSouth]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 05/04/08
Posts: 116
Loc: TN
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Far and away the hardest words I ever had to say in my life were the seven words, "I was sexually abused as a boy." Even now, 6 years after the first dawning of realization, it's still find it difficult in certain situations. My God your so right. I hurt and stutter every time I say it.
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#289633 - 05/31/09 07:26 AM
Re: Words that are Hard to Say
[Re: kid-at-heart]
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Member MaleSurvivor
Registered: 11/25/07
Posts: 1607
Loc: durham, north england
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My brother is a pass master at that sort of thing. he gets angry a lto of the time, wrants in private, but then releases his anger by tyin someone up in the most painful knots, working on their various problems and flaws, and eventually getting them to do what he wants.
What's particularly synister, is he manages to do this in a very quiet, polite tone, ----- he even has a short tongue when he's especially furious.
Sinse he's both a lawyer and an accomplished chess player though, it's not too surprising.
I just tend to use very obvious and pointed sarcasm like that mentioned above, ---- but then again I don't get angry often at all, which is probably lucky.
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