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#288072 - 05/19/09 01:22 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: mogigo]
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Registered: 06/22/04
Posts: 171
Loc: Florida
I think the duty to handle this was with the Director of the shelter ( not to have some one second guss me) I it was me I would give you your walking shoes...but that is me
As a police Officer i went through some therough training...
I was not aware that this guy had a history of sexual battery...
A peace officer in my state can fill out a 1013 form and transport a person to a mental hospal for an evaluation..I have done this many time...Like the guy I found having sex with the devil..The guy just checked out of this world..
Again I think you over reacted...
If the woman worker felt indangered ..then no one would have to talk her in to calling the police

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#288074 - 05/19/09 01:37 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: wojax]
mogigo Offline
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Registered: 04/24/07
Posts: 1331
Loc: Colorado
good lord, save us all.

Didn't know working at a homeless shelter meant training for working with mentally imbalanced people.

"I was not aware that this guy had a history of sexual battery", EXPOSING YOURSELF IS SEXUAL BATTERY!!

How much do you think he makes working at the homeless shelter?

How much training do you think he has working at a homeless shelter?

This is YOU'RE job, That is why YOU have the TRAINING

"If the woman felt indangered..then no one would have to talk her in to calling the police". Are you flippen serious? All survivor's on here, speak up now, because this guy just told you that you are irrevelant because if you felt endangered then no one would have had to talk you into calling the police.

Raise of hands please, how many of you called the police when you felt in danger? According to Wojax, you're all idiots.

Man, this is unbeivable.

Wajax, you're a survivor, right?. Did you call the police?

Ugh
Mike

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#288080 - 05/19/09 02:37 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: mogigo]
wojax Offline
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Registered: 06/22/04
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Loc: Florida
Mike dont put words in my mouth ...After reading your post i can see the Idiot.
We are talking about a flasher not jack the riper

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#288081 - 05/19/09 02:44 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: jls]
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Originally Posted By: jls
Whether you call what he did "wrong headed", according to the law in this country what he did is sexual assault, that is targeting someone with unwanted sexual behaviour I mean. No amount of pontificating from memebers here can change this with concern to the law of the land where I live. The young woman involved is barely 20 and the perpetrator is well in to his 40's so what does that say? The act in question was done in a dark dorm where she did indeed feel threatened, which from talking to her she was visibly upset about it afterward. Maybe I should also mention that the client in question in this matter also has a past conviction for sexually assaulting a child. I didn't want to bring that up but there it is. Anyways I'm having a hard time accepting that some members here want to make excuses for a perpetrator so I'll go now. Maye I need a break from this board


Please read my posts before replying to them! I'm on your side on this... but having trouble wanting to stay there when you twist my words. I wasn't "pontificating" or being unclear about what I said, so I'm not going to explain what I meant when it's right there in black and white.



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#288085 - 05/19/09 03:16 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: blueshift]
mogigo Offline
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Loc: Colorado
Doug, sorry you got involved. Never was I insinuating anything about what you posted.

Wojax, did you really just call me an idiot? I never once called you a name. If you'll read closer I was insinuating that you called others that.

Please wojax, enlighten me on what you think of assault being any act that makes another feel threatened. Do you belittle those people as well. Being an officer and all, when a person wants to press charges on assault because someone is screaming that they want to kill that person, do you just tell them they are over reacting. perhap's you would like to go back in time a little more and tell us why criminal charges are an over reaction, being all trained and everything.

Perhaps you should stop spouting on-line to a bunch of victim's why legitamite charges of sexual assault are an over-reaction, mayhap you go to congress and tell them why the charges they have voted into being be removed with you're absolute authority on the subject of what constitutes sexual assault and not.

Funny how it's a legitimate charge enough for congress to vote it into a criminal charge but you feel it just not worthy and an over-reaction. You being a police officer and all, and having much more knowledge on what bugs you when you have to go and press charges.

Honestly Wojax, did you really call me an idiot?

Mike

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#288089 - 05/19/09 03:35 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: mogigo]
Trucker51 Offline
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Registered: 05/20/08
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Loc: Denver, CO
Flashing is not nearly as serious as any kind of forced sexual contact, but because of the guy's history certainly you were well within bounds to involve the law-enforcement community and seek to have him removed from the shelter. Perhaps the young woman could use some kind of mental-health support too.

We won't accomplish much good by going beyond acceptable boundaries of interpersonal conduct here either.

Yes dad,

Mark





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#288090 - 05/19/09 03:45 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: mogigo]
wojax Offline
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Registered: 06/22/04
Posts: 171
Loc: Florida
Yes mike I did and im sorry..
First doug I m not sure what country your in..That girl had no reason to be in a dim room with a bunch of men...Im sure I agree with what your saying Doug...some how this got to my CSA and away from the first post...I am a retired police officer it was my job to enforce the law with wisdom...To protect the public..
I can asure if i had been there I wouod have been the first to stop him...And he wouold have been band from the shelter...
If I have ofended any of you guys im sorry

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#288091 - 05/19/09 03:51 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: jls]
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i can't help but say this, but when i see people so willing to slough off non-contact sexual abuse such as this, it makes me wonder if it's not just a subjective plea for personal leniency. this is a primary example of why 'rules' are so important.

saying, 'oh, ignore it', is an ignorant attempt to dumb down the tolerance level for such demoralizing behavior. masturbation is a private matter between individuals. though i am definitely not judging public masturbation itself as long as those in view have chosen to witness it, i'd just rather not be exposed to a random act of public masturbation. after all, it's my right to not have such a visual burned into my brain without my prior consent.

it does sound like a mental health issue that's for sure, but i don't think we should just wave it off as par for the course. administrators who are not aware of the implict dangers of excusing such behavior are in dire need of education, for the safety and protection of the rights of all the people in their field of care.

that's my viewpoint as a person whose sexual boundaries were smashed immutably, beyond complete restoration.

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#288092 - 05/19/09 03:56 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: Trucker51]
mogigo Offline
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Registered: 04/24/07
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Loc: Colorado
"Flashing is not nearly as serious as any kind of forced sexual conduct" Makes sense mark, I'll be sure to point that out to the person when they come here having issues of embarrasment, guilt and shame.

Oh, but wait, only a loser would feel those things over something as minimal as flashing.

Man, I'm so glad people here know what constitutes a "major" assault. Perhaps we can get the mod's to put up a warning "no survivors allowed who have not actually had sexualt contact, you just don't matter".

Okay, I see what you're thinking, I'm sure you both have it on absolute authority that she will have no nightmares and it won't effect her in anyway. Because after all, everyone react's exactly like you do.

PS: maybe she would only need a month, but it would be nice if "authority" doesn't turn it into a lifelong problem. Simply because it wasn't that bad. I know my problem wouldn't have been so bad if people would have just stopped telling me I was fucking over-reacting

But then I'm an idiot

M

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#288094 - 05/19/09 04:09 PM Re: Sexual Assault at Work [Re: mogigo]
mogigo Offline
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Registered: 04/24/07
Posts: 1331
Loc: Colorado
Wojax, I just read you're last post and I respect you so much Brother, in fact even through this "arguement" I never stopped. I was just arguing, nothing more.

I got my back up, sorry.

Funny Wojax, because this became my CSA as well. Sorry.

Stay strong
Mike

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