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#287964 - 05/18/09 08:12 PM UNCRC
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I'm not sure where this post belongs, but thought this was interesting reading, i highlighted the two articles (in green) which i think our community would be particularly interested in reinforcing:

United Nations convention on the rights of the child UNCRC
List of Rights

Article 1
Everyone under the age of 18 has all the rights in this Convention.

Article 2
The Convention applies to everyone whatever their race, religion, abilities, whatever they think or say, no matter what type of family they come from.

Article 3
All organisations concerned with children should work towards what is best for you.

Article 4
Governments should make these rights available to you.

Article 5
Governments should respect the rights and responsibilities of families to direct and guide their children so that, as they grow, they learn to use their rights properly.

Article 6
You have the right to life. Governments should ensure that children survive and develop healthily.

Article 7
You have the right to a legally registered name and nationality. You also have the right to know and, as far as possible, to be cared for by your parents.

Article 8
Governments should respect children’s right to a name, a nationality and family ties.

Article 9
You should not be separated from your parents unless it is for your own good - for example, if a parent is mistreating or neglecting you. If your parents have separated, you have the right to stay in contact with both parents, unless this might hurt you.

Article 10
Families who live in different countries should be allowed to move between those countries so that parents and children can stay in contact or get back together as a family.

Article 11
Governments should take steps to stop children being taken out of their own country illegally.

Article 12
You have the right to say what you think should happen when adults are making decisions that affect you, and to have your opinions taken into account.

Article 13
You have the right to get, and to share information as long as the information is not damaging to yourself or others.

Article 14
You have the right to think and believe what you want and to practise your religion, as long as you are not stopping other people from enjoying their rights. Parents should guide children on these matters.

Article 15
You have the right to meet with other children and young people and to join groups and organisations, as long as this does not stop other people from enjoying their rights.

Article 16
You have the right to privacy. The law should protect you from attacks against your way of life, your good name, your family and your home.

Article 17
You have the right to reliable information from the mass media. Television, radio, and newspapers should provide information that you can understand, and should not promote materials that could harm you.

Article 18
Both parents share responsibility for bringing up their children, and should always consider what is best for each child. Governments should help parents by providing services to support them, especially if both parents work.

Article 19
Governments should ensure that children are properly cared for, and protect them from violence, abuse and neglect by their parents or anyone else who looks after them.

Article 20
If you cannot be looked after by your own family, you must be looked after properly, by people who respect your religion, culture and language.

Article 21
If you are adopted, the first concern must be what is best for you. The same rules should apply whether the adoption takes place in the country where you were born or if you move to another country.

Article 22
If you are a child who has come into a country as a refugee, you should have the same rights as children born in that country.

Article 23
If you have a disability, you should receive special care and support so that you can live a full and independent life.

Article 24
You have the right to good quality health care and to clean water, nutritious food and a clean environment so that you can stay healthy. Rich countries should help poorer countries achieve this.

Article 25
If you are looked after by your local authority rather than your parents, you should have your situation reviewed regularly.

Article 26
The Government should provide extra money for the children of families in need.

Article 27
You have a right to a standard of living that is good enough to meet your physical and mental needs. The Government should help families who cannot afford to provide this.

Article 28
You have a right to an education. Discipline in schools should respect children’s human dignity. Primary education should be free. Wealthy countries should help poorer countries achieve this.

Article 29
Education should develop your personality and talents to the full. It should encourage you to respect your parents, your own and other cultures.

Article 30
You have a right to learn and use the language and customs of your family whether or not these are shared by the majority of the people in the country where you live.

Article 31
You have a right to relax, play and join in a wide range of activities.

Article 32
The Government should protect you from work that is dangerous or might harm your health or education.

Article 33
The Government should provide ways of protecting you from dangerous drugs.

Article 34
The Government should protect you from sexual abuse.

Article 35
The Government should make sure that you are not abducted or sold.

Article 36
You should be protected from any activities that could harm your development.

Article 37
If you break the law, you should not be treated cruelly. You should not be put in prison with adults and you should be able to keep in contact with your family.

Article 38
Governments should not allow children under 15 to join the army. In war zones, you should receive special protection.

Article 39
If you have been neglected or abused, you should receive special help to restore your self-respect.

Article 40
If you are accused of breaking the law, you should receive legal help. Prison sentences for children should only be used for the most serious offences.

Article 41
If the laws of a particular country protect you better than the articles of the Convention, then those laws should stay.

Article 42
The Government should make the Convention known to all parents and children.

Articles 43-54 are about how adults and Governments should work together to make sure all children get all their rights.

childcom- UNCRC

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#287965 - 05/18/09 08:13 PM Re: UNCRC [Re: king tut]
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(I do recognise that the majority of you are in the US, but for the sake of the few of us who are not i thought this would be interesting)

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#287970 - 05/18/09 08:58 PM Re: UNCRC [Re: king tut]
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Lewis,

What difference does that make?

Mike

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#287981 - 05/18/09 10:14 PM Re: UNCRC [Re: michael banks]
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I've never seen it before, so maybe other people haven't seen it before, so i thought i'd post it.

What difference does it make? well, it is a list of aims agreed, and therefore a bind to keep those aims within the countries of the united nations, therefore a promise of some kind that can be worked from to uphold. You must start somewhere, right? like on this site we say "we are committed to prevent victimisation...." and so on however it goes- it is a statement of aims. In a way it is also leverage, sure, conventions and things are made like for human rights and it isn't always upheld, but then when it is not upheld people step in and say "hold on!- you are breaking the geneva convention" or whatever, and then action is taken. We have to make it make a difference sure- i think that's the point that you are making, and it is a good one, but spreading the word is important too- and setting the aims for people to work from- like saying you have to be this tall to go on the rollercoaster (lol).

Let me throw something out there- just to stir things up for a second- let me look at the bible- let me look at the ten commandments- and let me say "what difference does that make?"... see my point? this list, just because it is new and not old, doesn't make it any less worthy.

I like it when you make me think Mike smile

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#287984 - 05/18/09 10:25 PM Re: UNCRC [Re: king tut]
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or...were you asking what difference it makes that some of you are in the US lol, well it is an interesting question either way, to the second question the answer is none what so ever lol

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#287990 - 05/18/09 11:22 PM Re: UNCRC [Re: king tut]
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I'm glad you posted this text Lewis. We should all be aware of this important document. The real questions would be which countries endorse this convention and how will it be enforced.

Much love,
Larry

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#288050 - 05/19/09 11:11 AM Re: UNCRC [Re: roadrunner]
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Enforcement would obviously have different scales.

International enforcement would mean setting precedents and boycotting of countires who don't comply (in the same way that we do it for human rights- Hitler even stopped killing the Jews for a while because he wanted to host the olympic games- such is the power of such incentives and punishments).

The harder part of enforcement is for countries in compliance who do not offer adequate support or prevention. Aid would be needed, a world wide monetary fund of some kind that can be used to keep countries up to spec. An independent team in charge of coordination and overseeing and assessing how well things are being implemented.

Structures upon structures sounds nasty but in this case local fluidity whilst maintaining strong links is what we would be looking for.

Nothing like this works without networking throughout all layers of society. This wouldn't be a purely government based scheme- but they would clearly need to be involved. It would filter through to all levels. Independent support groups would be part of the organisation- it will not be a government service in that sense, although governmnet services would also be used. A new national Network for service user/survivor groups in that way would be loosely based on the "On Our Own Terms report". But it truly would be a complete filtering network system unlike any ever seen within Britain (or whatever country we will first be concerned with). Such national frameworks have been proposed before, never properly implemented, and in every case mostly miss the point- in my humble opinion. This would not be a complex web- not in any way- there are not that many thigns that would need to be done to make it successful. It is about supporting eachother and having the ability to easily get support to set up and interact between different groups. Government coordination would not be an over-ruling authority, it would be an on our own terns netwrok, but a team could oversee and review the databases and organisations and from that can help to improve the system- not just theoretically and in legislation- but on the levels that matter. It wouldn't even be very expensive to set-up- i don't think.

It would be a combination of international, national and local intiatives organised in a neat way, without the blockades that purely government organisations offer.

But i cant explain the aims etc and intiatives because i have to revise for an exam.

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I love you, little lewis, and i will never leave you. We are the same. You brighten my day, and i will make sure that i brighten yours. Hugs and kisses.


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#288054 - 05/19/09 11:33 AM Re: UNCRC [Re: king tut]
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Lewis,

I think that documents like the one you posted here are important for all of our futures. As we progress from a national system of interacting with each other to worldwide system. In time it may became as important to our civilization as the Magna Carter is for the english. And the constitution and the bill of rights are for us here in America.
In my opinion we are going to have find a more equiable way of sharing our planets rescources than at the point of a gun. As I see it we are all one people sharing this little planet and we need to establish a system of interacting.

Mike

Thanks for posting this.

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