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#28701 - 05/03/02 09:53 PM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
michael Joseph Offline
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all abuse is bad, and moving a priest to another parish is extreamly stupid, but that is what was done. I hope the church starts to deal with the problem as well as the rest of the planet. Abuse happens everyday, and people from all different backgrounds abuse others. We all need to speak up and let other know it is not ok to hurt someone sexually, emotionally or phyiscally.

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#28702 - 05/04/02 08:57 AM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
Douglas Offline
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Registered: 05/04/02
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Tinfoil, do you have anything to back up your assertions or, are you just venting without any real concern for the truth?

Lord knows, I appreciate the rage inherent in our common situation..but what you've posted amounts to nothing more than a bigoted, uninformed rant.

Douglas


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#28703 - 05/04/02 06:35 PM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
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You're right. That's why I deleted it. Fretted about the post all last night. I do believ though that when the question's asked "How could this happen?",result will be a questioning of organized religion. There's a lot more going on here than Catholic priests raping 6 year old boys in the confessional. We've had the Jerry Falwells,Pat Robertsons,faith healer tv preachers,the World Trade Towers attack,homicide bombers and now priest assfucking children in the Name of God. Well hello? Is anyone awake out there? The common thread running thru this are men posing as self-appointed conduits to invisable dieties in the sky. Oh like their shit smells like roses? Fuck'em one & all. Whoever willingly gives blind trust & faith to these quacks should'nt bitch when their kids get fucked. The kids ar'nt responsible. Their parents are.


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#28704 - 05/04/02 11:45 PM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
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I disagree, Tinfoil, it's not always the parents to blame. The perps are always wholly responsible, and those who had knowledge and looked away are equally responsible. I told my Mom about my abuse when I was off my ass drunk...she believed me...went to the priest the next day, bitched him out, threatened him to within an inch of of his life...he was transferred to another parish shortly thereafter. My mom and I were completely ignored by the church leadership
. My mom did her best to keep me safe, she trusted this priest, she trusted my neighbor and my neighbor's son. How can you hold a parent responsible for not being there always, all the time, night and day? I wanted my own space and independence.

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#28705 - 05/05/02 12:20 AM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
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Well there's not much that can be done about it,unfortunately. Boils down to history. This thing goes back to the dawning of humanity when we began walking upright,distinguishing our species from the other apes. One of our peoples recognized that the other proto-humans were fearful of natural consequences and posed himself as the Knower of All. He was able to convince the others of his tribe that he alone had some inside connection with the Powers That Be that controlled nature. He could make the rains,sun,winds,etc come on time or not so. He thru his intimate closeness with invisable powers made the stars come out at night,the sun rise in the morning. This thing spread. Pretty soon there was a group,a cult of these dipshits. At first they demanded little. Did'nt take long before they began demanding a lot. The rest is as they say,history. Had religion not had that long history and it were invented today we'd all view the true belivers as mentally ill. The whole thing's a scam. It continues because there's a genetic predisposition within humanity towards psychosis. It is not normal to believ in ghosts & goblins. If there's a God let Him make a six-pack of beer appear before me.


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#28706 - 05/05/02 10:40 PM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
orodo Offline
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Existentialism for this new age...everyone exists only for my pleasure and in my imagination right? When I leave the room everyone ceases to exist in there anyway...

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#28707 - 05/06/02 12:50 AM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
Anonymous
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Actually,that's true. Think Enron Corp. We're all just dust in the wind. It's a fallacy that anyone cares about us. What we think,what we are,our existence mean nothing. Maybe our mommas care about us. If we're lucky. No-one else does. It's a rough fucking gawdamn World out there full of practiced predators. It's kill or be killed. Don't think so? Ask that cop who frequents this site. If you chance across a decent man or woman,grab ahold. It's a rarity.


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#28708 - 05/09/02 01:33 PM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
liminal Offline
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Registered: 02/21/02
Posts: 40
Loc: Detroit Metro
To paraphrase my favorite philsopher, whatever comfort you get out of ANY belief system- religion, existentialism, marxism, - know that it is an illusion because they automatically certify their own falseness by claiming to have all the answers.

We all know this, but the church wanting to root out gay priests is incredibly naive - on one hand ignorant of the complex nature of sexual abuse and on the other going on an irrelevant witch hunt that is based on idiotic assumptions. At best it's lip sevice to a public with no history or imagination, at worst it's proof that we have to go farther than the enlightenment and romantics in overcoming the dark ages.

How can the kill or be killed model apply when the most difficult choice for SA victims is whether or not to commit suicide and for everyone else who to marry and what car to buy?

Incidentally, Darwin was interested in the evolutionary movement of promoting love, he postulated four stages in the evolution of what he called the moral sense. "The first was when animals developed social instincts that would bind together closely related individuals. The second was evolution of greater intellect. The third came with the acquisition of language. And the fourth, Darwin believed, was reached when certain habits could come to mold the conduct of individuals." Also, biologists have in greater numbers come to the conclusions that looking at nature, there are spectacular examples of partnership, symbiosis, that coexist with the need to "kill or be killed"

For us, the real choice is this: produce or consume, partnership or domination. The largest political and social movement in the world right now is a shift towards partnership relations to ourselves, other humans, and the planet. If "history" doesn't follow it's rational course with a chorus of nuclear explosions, or a huge base of believing consumers from whose image factory none of us will escape, then all we will be able to do in our lifetimes is set one cornerstone in a foundation for a better future.


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#28709 - 05/09/02 02:40 PM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
getteddie Offline
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Registered: 07/19/01
Posts: 226
Loc: Cub Hill, Md
I completly agree with liminal....whether or not to commit suicide...I still can't decide!!!

Eddie


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#28710 - 05/10/02 11:02 AM Re: Question regarding announced Catholic policy
Jim C. Offline
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Registered: 03/23/02
Posts: 63
Loc: New Mexico
Liminal,

This was a great post. I agree with you point by point. Thank you for showing how innane and naive the thought behind this really is!

Jim C.

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