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#282995 - 04/09/09 08:47 PM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: michael banks]
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I love the idea that this is freely discussed. And we don't have to all agree. It is healthy to debate with respect for the other person's point of view.

Marijuana? I don't use it. Don't even like it. But I have no problem with it's legalization and taxation.

But I have to relate a personal experience into this with an ex-roommate of mine who was hooked on meth.

When he finally got clean, he told me that in his drug induced state, he seriously wanted to kill the other two of us by stabbing us while we slept because he believed we were going to kill him if he didn't. Luckily, it never got that far. But it could have.

On a case, by case basis, depending on the drug and it's affects on the psyche and judgment/control, I would be willing to discuss it.

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#283127 - 04/10/09 05:10 PM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: Tinman]
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Everyone (pointing finger at Mr. Banks and Jim in a friendly way) instinctively prefers to talk about what drugs do to destroy lives, but no one ever wants to look at what drug prohibition does. Drugs never kicked down your door in the middle of the night. Drugs never locked up sick and dying people, did not suppress medical research, and did not peek in homes and spy on people. Even if one takes every reefer madness allegation of the prohibitionists at face value, drug prohibition has done far more harm to far more people than the drugs themselves ever could.

Do we REALLY believe America has the right to destabilize its neighbors (anyone read the news out of Mexico lately?), harass its own citizens, and corrupt its justice system to maintain a fiction which feeds the prison-industrial complex? It’s a great system if you’re a cop or a Judge or a prison guard or a prosecutor. But woe to the naïve citizen that gets caught up in a drive-by shooting by gangs fighting over turf to sell their wares, or gets victimized in a contrived or mistaken drug raid, or looses his home and life savings because their kid is growing a few plants in his yard and a nosy neighbor snitches on him.

On a lighter note, I read a blog post that theorized that Obama (I won’t call him President Obama until I see his birth certificate) is going to win the War on Drugs by de-valuing the American Dollar so much that drug dealers won’t accept them anymore! What a GREAT strategy! Pure genius!!

Interestingly, this “War on Drugs” is ITSELF is the quintessential case study on addiction: Like some crack-frazzled zombie, the government staggers on blindly, unable to be weaned from its self-destructive and sociopathic course.





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#283193 - 04/10/09 10:37 PM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: Hauser]
michael banks Offline


Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 1755
Loc: Mojave Desert, Ca
Alan,

I am almost 48 yrs old and at one time was very much apart of the drug culture. Not once did anyone kick down my door in the middle of night or have have anyone spy on me. All of the trouble I ahd in regards to law enforce was because of my taking my drug and alcohol use into the public where it got me into trouble.
In the Marine Corps I was busted trying to bring a quarter pound of pot onto the base. Guess how much time I spent in jail? none.
Why because of the constitutional rights afford me as a U.S. citizen that protect me from illegal and unwarrented search and seizuer. How many other countries are you given such protection.
Sure our government has it's problems But as of today I have not seen any brown shirts or SS troops roaming the streets.
Thank God I was born in the U.S.A. still rathern live here than any other country.
How about counting our blessings for a change. instead of focusing on the negatives all the time.
Sure makes life alot more tolerable.

Mike

Proud to be an AMERICAN.

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#283235 - 04/11/09 09:24 AM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: michael banks]
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No, no Brownshirts to see here.........move along.......nothing to see here.......move along now.


Police shoot, kill two dogs during raid
http://www.buffalonews.com/cityregion/story/623439.html

With Help from TRI, Widow Sues Delaware Law Enforcement Over Wrongful Death of Decorated Marine Corps Veteran Who Was Tasered and Shot Three Times
http://www.rutherford.org/articles_db/press_release.asp?article_id=663

Missouri Police taser injured boy 19 times
http://rawstory.com//news
/2008/Missouri_Police_taser_injured_boy_19_0726.html



Police taser 75-year-old at nursing home
http://www.infowars.com/print/ps/taser_oldwoman.htm

Police Raid Berwyn Heights Mayor's Home, Kill His 2 Dogs
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073003299_pf.html

Documents Reveal: Cops Planted Pot on 92-Year Old Woman They Killed in Botched Drug Raid
http://www.alternet.org/drugreporter/51151/

Unarmed 20 Year Old College Student Shot by Drug Raiding Cops in his Dorm.
http://www.mlive.com/news/jackson/index.ssf/2009/03/shooting_victim_derek_copp_res.html

Scene 1: Boy hits head. Father, qualified to make a medical decision, checks his son and concludes that he is ok.
Scene 2: Busybody neighbor calls an ambulance.
Scene 3: Ambulance shows up at the house and paramedics demand that the child be brought to a hospital for further examination; the father refuses.
The following day...
Scene 4: SWAT team shows up, kidnaps the child for evaluation (and is later released).
Scene 5: Sheriff confesses that the father is a "constitutionalist" and had been making "comments" for years.
THE END
http://wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=59566

Illegal gambling? People voluntarily coming together and playing Texas Hold-em? Send in SWAT!
http://cbs11tv.com/video/?id=14401@ktvt.dayport.com

Suspect that a high school student might have marijuana in his locker? Send in SWAT and terrorize all of the students!
http://www.aclu.org/drugpolicy/youth/26123prs20060711.html

Elderly women in their homes minding their own business? Send in SWAT!
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/26/us/26c...nyt&emc=rss

Heck, let’s just send in SWAT now and ask questions later!
http://www.cato.org/raidmap/

Looking for an exciting career? Join the SWAT!!!!
http://www.aetv.com/dallas_swat/dswat_video.jsp

We can't allow people to "flush the evidence" after we knock on the door to announce an arrest warrant, so...........
http://www.law.com/jsp/article.jsp?id=1150362317902

And since the Supreme Court ruled so favorably for the Police, there is nothing to stop SWAT teams from tearing off the side of your home, dragging you and your family out of your beds, seizing your belongings and shooting your pets
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=6476

Now........move along........nothing to see here........move along now...........


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#283236 - 04/11/09 09:31 AM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: Hauser]
michael banks Offline


Registered: 06/12/08
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Alan,

See prior post.

Mike



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#283238 - 04/11/09 09:38 AM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: michael banks]
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You know I'm not happy unless I have something to complain about. smile


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#286580 - 05/07/09 10:00 AM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: Hauser]
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Update: CA Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger open to debate legalizing pot. The smell of freedom is in the air.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/06/MNO617F929.DTL&type=printable

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger said Tuesday that the time is right to debate legalizing marijuana for recreational use in California.

The governor's comments were made as support grows nationwide for relaxing pot laws and only days after a poll found that for the first time a majority of California voters back legal marijuana. Also, a San Francisco legislator has proposed regulating and taxing marijuana to bring the state as much as $1.3 billion a year in extra revenue.

Schwarzenegger was cautious when answering a reporter's question Tuesday about whether the state should regulate and tax the substance, saying it is not time to go that far.

But, he said: "I think it's time for debate. I think all of those ideas of creating extra revenues - I'm always for an open debate on it."

The governor said California should look to the experiences of other nations around the world in relaxing laws on marijuana.

Assemblyman Tom Ammiano, D-San Francisco, has introduced a bill to regulate marijuana like alcohol, with people over 21 years old allowed to grow, buy, sell and possess cannabis - all of which are barred by federal law.

California voters in 1996 legalized marijuana for medical use with permission from a physician.

Ammiano said he was pleased the governor is "open-minded" on the issue and added that he was sure the two could "hash it out."

Under Ammiano's proposal, the state would impose a $50-an-ounce levy on sales of marijuana, which would boost state revenues by about $1.3 billion a year, according to an analysis by the State Board of Equalization. Betty Yee of San Francisco, who chairs the Board of Equalization, supports the measure.

"This has never just been about money," said Ammiano, who has long supported reforming marijuana laws. "It's also about the failure of the war on drugs and implementing a more enlightened policy. I've always anticipated that there could be a perfect storm of political will and public support, and obviously the federal policies are leaning more toward states' rights."

An ABC News/Washington Post poll last week found that 46 percent of Americans favored legalization of small amounts of pot for personal use, double the number who supported that a decade ago. A Field Poll also released last week found that 56 percent of California voters supported legalizing and taxing marijuana.

In March, U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder said the federal government would take a softer stance on medical marijuana dispensaries, with drug enforcement agents targeting only those who violate state and federal law. California is one of 13 states that allow marijuana use with a doctor's recommendation.

Many law enforcement organizations oppose changes in marijuana laws. The California Police Chiefs Association, in a report last month, concluded that marijuana dispensaries constitute "a clear violation of federal and state law; they invite more crime; and they compromise the health and welfare of law-abiding citizens."

But the head of that association said he, too, is open to a debate on legalizing pot.

"We keep walking around the 5,000-pound elephant in the room, which is should marijuana be legal?" said Bernard Melekian, president of the association and chief of police in Pasadena.

The Board of Equalization analysis predicts that legalization would drop the street value of marijuana by 50 percent and increase consumption by 40 percent.

Bruce Mirken, spokesman for the Marijuana Policy Project, which advocates legalization, said the governor's comments about marijuana are part of a "tectonic shift" in attitudes toward the issue.

"I think, frankly, the public is going to drag the politicians into doing what is right," he said.

Chronicle staff writer Matthew Yi contributed to this report. E-mail Wyatt Buchanan at wbuchanan@sfchronicle.com.


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#286634 - 05/07/09 06:21 PM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: Hauser]
michael banks Offline


Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 1755
Loc: Mojave Desert, Ca
Allan,

What you are smelling is cannabis and not freedom my friend.
You maybe right cause money talks and there will be alot of money for the State Of Califnoria.
What will a joint cost you thu?
$50 an ounce tax. Shit back in the 70's an ounce didn't even cost that.

Mike

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-Robert Johnson-

"IT ought never be forgotten that the past is the parent of the future" John C. Calhoun

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#286639 - 05/07/09 06:59 PM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: michael banks]
Hauser Offline
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Mike, I hear what you're saying (about it not being freedom as I had suggested).

But, please understand, when I used to smoke it (before I had to worry about drug tests) I only did a few hits and I was fine. I never, ever needed that much. I only did it to make certain experiences more enjoyable, certainly there can't be much wrong with that? Isn't moderation a virtue to stand by? I would claim that I was using marijuana, but certainly not abusing it.

Isn't this a REASONABLE point of view?


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#286641 - 05/07/09 07:30 PM Re: Drug Legalization, the time has come. [Re: Hauser]
michael banks Offline


Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 1755
Loc: Mojave Desert, Ca
Allan,

Like alcohol if you can drink and not have it cause problems in your life. Go for it.
But for me I would buy a bag and smoke and smoke until it was gone. I still love the smell of cannabis.
If when it comes up for a vote here in ca. I will vote yes for legalization. What you do in your own home is your business.
And like you have stated in the past we can let the drug users out of prison and make more room for real criminals.

Mike

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-Robert Johnson-

"IT ought never be forgotten that the past is the parent of the future" John C. Calhoun

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