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#274372 - 02/07/09 08:37 PM Re: Congressman asplodes [Re: Hauser]
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Originally Posted By: Hauser

BTW, can you imagine signing up for a lifetime Intuity with a private insurance company, who then changed the rules after the contract was signed, and then reneged on the promise? They would be in jail, right? So, what makes it ok for the government to do that?


Ethically? Nothing makes it OK; but it is legal, because all parties to the "contract", as it were, renegotiated and agreed to the changes. Yes, that included you and me - your congressman represents your voice on Capitol Hill, as does mine. In matters of legislature, the Constitution gives him the authority to speak on your behalf; that's just the nature of a republican form of government.

Originally Posted By: Hauser
Anyway, my whole point to this is that I don't want you (mel) to draw the false conclusion that the ever-lengthening lifespans of senior citizens is the problem. The problem is that politicians are running this scam and they're not held to the same level of account as, say, a private insurance company would be. This is fraud, BIGTIME.


It is not fraud, ONLY because of transparency. You may not like where the money is going or what's happening to it (to be frank, neither do I), but you DO know, and that's the difference. The soul of a fraud is deception. If Congress were secretly funneling money out of the SS trust fund all this time, and the public only just now became aware of it, that would be fraud. But everything Congress has done with Social Security is part of the public record. It cannot, by definition, be fraud.

And it is another reason why Social Security is different from a Ponzi scheme. In a Ponzi, the Hub tells you he's doing this with your money, when in fact he is doing that; he never tells you what he's really doing. In Congress, they said Social Security will work like this; somewhere along the line, they CHANGED it to that but the change was not hidden, it was public, every bit of it. That you and I know about it is proof of that.

Originally Posted By: Hauser
Oh, I thought this might humor you too. At Social Security's official web-site, they feature a prominent politician from the 19th century as their guiding light and role model, Otto Von Bismark Please view here: http://www.ssa.gov/history/ottob.html Isn't that wonderful? They feature one of Adolf Hitler's idols as a guiding figure in their quest to help us arrive at their brave new world. Very wonderful indeed!


Well, that's a kind of shady thing to do, though, Hauser. Bismarck died when Hitler was nine years old. I really don't know anything about Bismarck, but I'm not going to blame HIM because Hitler liked the guy after he was dead. Hitler very openly idolized Martin Luther, but I'm not going to call every Christian who isn't Catholic a Hitler-sympathizer. Hitler also had a Mercedes limousine, but you know, Mercedes makes good cars. If there's a reason why I should think of Bismarck as a bad guy besides "Hitler thought he was cool", of course I'm all ears.

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#274380 - 02/07/09 09:31 PM Re: Congressman asplodes [Re: melliferal]
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Hitler espoused "National Socialism" as a mantra for society at its zenith. I have a hard time defining exactly what he meant when he sung such high praise for this form of government, especially when he, at the same time, despised communism. Socialism and Communism are 2 shades of the same color to me.

ANYWAY. Bismark, to my understanding, was the first modern statesman to initiate and lead a socialist/government-run welfare state. For SOME reason, Hitler really loved that idea. Hitler had direct, or at least indirect control, of every sector of the economy.

Back to Social Security.

YES it was fraud, YES it is a ponzie scheme. When Roosevelt sold this program to Congress and the people, no one ever expected it to go insolvent in less than 100 years. (in 2017, the Congress will no longer be able to take any more funds out of SS, because the Baby-Boomers will be eating up the small surplus that's still there, and the shit's REALLY gonna hit the fan then)

Oh, well, the voters get what they deserve.


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#274404 - 02/08/09 02:21 AM Re: Congressman asplodes [Re: Hauser]
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Originally Posted By: Hauser
Hitler espoused "National Socialism" as a mantra for society at its zenith. I have a hard time defining exactly what he meant when he sung such high praise for this form of government, especially when he, at the same time, despised communism. Socialism and Communism are 2 shades of the same color to me.


It's all about the leadership.





If the narcissistic oligarchy of overinflated egos who control everything are drawn from one nation - it's socialism.

If they pretend to be global in scope (even while confining themselves to an inner circle of unbridled nepotism) then they are communists.

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