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#192230 - 11/22/07 05:27 PM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: reality2k4]
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I've promised myself to not masturbate anymore ...lots of reasons already posted here. It breaks real intimacy with my wife and it throws open doors I don't need to go into with fantasies and all. We recently had a new baby, so we've not had sex in a while either. I get very horny and anything or anyone looks like a great place to start, but I haven't ....been about 100 days and i can't believe it has been as difficult ans refreshing as it is.... I can see that I actually can control my body.

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#232474 - 06/21/08 09:58 PM Re: Masturbation and [the bible, ie, religion] [Re: FormerTexan]
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hi, i changed the subject, because the practice of mindful masturbation is one of the greatest spiritual gifts i give myself, and in that sense it is related to spirituality, which is not to be confused with religion. all things in moderation....

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#232480 - 06/21/08 11:01 PM Re: Masturbation and [the bible, ie, religion] [Re: Sans Logos]
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i once joined a catholic site on the internet (i am not catholic, i told them so), only one reason, to research this question, basically, people will try not to, but they all do it, and this was a hardcore YOU WILL GO TO HELL catholic site, and i followed the discussion for about a month, followed the ups and downs of people trying not to masturbate and finally finding everybody coming to the subtle conclusion that, ok, masturbation can be good for you too, lets sweep this under the carpet kind of thing, lets keep our crucifixes hanging on long chains to remind us not to go down there so often and lets keep the picture of baby jesus as the background to our desktop to keep us from those porn sites, but the conclusion was doing it sometimes is just good all around, and i tell you what these people were strict, and often really really horrible to each other, but me being me, told everybody off one by one, and i pat myself on the back for being the only person to confront irrational extremists, gain support and bring mutual respect whilst reminding them that the point is to be good and nice and supportive and not careless, cruel or evil, stupid how it takes somebody who doesn't conform to remind so called spiritual people what it is all about, i think it is far too easy for religious people to get lost in text and end up completely missing the point of life and what it is to be good, but of course i am not saying many religious people are like that, just the extremists

yeah, so i didn't want to masturbate, and i thought, catholics don't masturbate, lets see how it is done, wrong, they do, they just feel really bad after doing it

ooh, i remember something being helpful though, somebody described it as being like an untrained dog, your sex drive, and you just have to tame it, and keep it on the leash (or something i can't remember) and then you will obtain a higher feeling of control and perhaps enlightenment, i don't know, he described it better than me, but it was pretty good.

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#232483 - 06/21/08 11:07 PM Re: Masturbation and [the bible, ie, religion] [Re: king tut]
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I love masturbation. I think its a great thing. I enjoy it alot, even when it is not at all spiritual, which is alot of the time.

Teaching people to be scared of or guilty about touching their own bodies is flat-out abusive.


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#232489 - 06/21/08 11:25 PM Re: Masturbation and [the bible, ie, religion] [Re: testingWaters]
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So what you are you guys telling easterneurope?

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#232492 - 06/21/08 11:31 PM Re: Masturbation and [the bible, ie, religion] [Re: Barkabus]
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My opinion. He is not talking about anyone teaching him not to masturbate. He is simply doing that for himself. Which is great - to thine own self be true, right?


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#232498 - 06/22/08 12:00 AM Re: Masturbation and [the bible, ie, religion] [Re: Barkabus]
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Originally Posted By: Barkabus
So what you are you guys telling easterneurope?


huh, what did he ask? i was just talking that's all, i think if you dont want to dont, if you want to go for it, if you do it too much, well, then we have a problem lol

nah i don't know, i respect people if they can find a place where they can be content and happy without harming anyone in the process

(i would read this thread but it is really long and understandably due to this sub-forum it has lots of bible references, and i only know the bible in the way i know the bible, in the way that you probably wont agree with, in the way that i dont have to open it and read it to know)



Edited by king tut (06/22/08 12:03 AM)
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#232502 - 06/22/08 12:27 AM Re: Masturbation and Spirituality [Re: dgoods]
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Charlie 2005,

I agree totally with your view on CHRIST sacifice on the cross and our struggles with our flesh. It's what HE did for me not what I do for him that's important. AS for m it's like breathing we all do it.

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#232529 - 06/22/08 06:24 AM Re: Masturbation and [the bible, ie, religion] [Re: Barkabus]
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bark, i guess my nod to ee's post is this: just because you are married [the two become one and all that sort of rot] does not preclude the possibility of private masturbatory practices being a healthy part of one's behavioral lexicon.

sexual pleasure is a very personal individual thing. i myself am not in a relationship at the time, but when i was, i practiced masturbation as well. i just get a sense that ee's determination not to masturbate is more more about the 'refreshing control' of his experience than anything else. what would precipitate someone's decision to deny a healthy sexual component of their being, just so they could stand outside of themselves and recognize their control as being 'good'. each person has their own value system that they serve. it seems that ee's 100 days abstinence is more a laurel than anything else, which is cool if that is helping him to experience a measure of freedom, which in turn will better able him to give unfettered service to those who share his world.

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#232539 - 06/22/08 10:02 AM Re: Masturbation and [the bible, ie, religion] [Re: Sans Logos]
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Originally Posted By: Sans Logos
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