the abuser can be homosexual, can be straight, can be a woman as well as a man. If a woman sexually abuses a girl what does that make her? a lesbian? she could be married. The abusers sexual orientation has nothing to do with why they committed the crime.

Please look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedophilia . Adult men rape men as well. It happens in jails etc.. and the perpetrators are generally "straight" and when their time is up will be released back into society and resume "normal" sexual relationships.

In your case you abuser was homosexual but that does NOT mean all homosexuals are child abusers. Children are sexually abused and beaten to death in their own homes every day... their own parents do it to them or a close family member or friend. If the father or mother carries out this crime... what does that make them?

duncan

enon { It sounds more like a name backwards ;-) }

I do not recall the original title of this thread...

Prayers to you. When I read your statement about continuing to express your anger MORE I was pleased for you... Heck, get it out bet the hell out of a pillow or a mattress --In my books all of my pent up crap had to, and has to, get out-- the more I express my emotions the more I find I am in touch with them. The more I am in touch with them the more I can deal with them. The more I deal with them the more I heal. The more I stuff my emotions the more I hurt myself and others.

I have no interest in weighing in on the argument of this thread... I will simply paraphrase a dead Englishman in support on not taking a side(or taking a 3rd side);

An abuser by any other name would smell as vile!

Your brother, Wes

Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.

Wow Ken! Thank you! You have no idea how much of what you wrote up there calmed me down.

I know I'm not the only one who is fed up with this BS, but I seem to be the only one trying to controll this guy and allow him to see the side of logic rather than distortion.

Ken Singer for Supreme Court Judge!

Rich

Would I have to make a political contribution to get that post?

There is something about "count to ten" before hitting the send button. Sometimes you have to count to ten a bunch of times to say things more effectively.

None, I don't know if you realized, but all of the threads in response to you, are listed as replies in regards to, or "RE: The way I see it." I think the mods are clear that they did not change the title of your post, and I highly doubt that they did. If they had, they would have had to change the title to all of the replies as well.

Furthermore, the title "The way I see it..." makes perfect sense to what you wrote in the original post. Put it together, and you'll see... LOOK


The way I see it...


It would not have made sense with the other title you are suggesting.

I'm with Ken on the 10 minute rule... but I usually tell my students that they should sleep on it before hitting send.

Allen

Anyway...

As to the point of this thread: technically I would have to agree with the opening post. And here is the reasoning: there are only two genders - male, and female. As a human, you can be sexually oriented toward your own sex, the opposite sex, both sexes, or no sex at all. "Child" is not a sex in and of itself (that's the whole reason pedophilia is not a sexual orientation). Children are either male or female. Therefore, a male perpetrator who is sexually attracted to a male victim is homosexually oriented; the fact that the victim is a child does not matter. If the male perpetrator is also attracted to females (adult or otherwise), then he is bisexual. If a female adult perpetrator is attracted exclusively to males, she is heterosexually oriented - no matter what the ages of the males she is attracted to.

This seems fairly logical to me. People vociferously oppose this reasoning, however. Near as I can tell, it is because those people for some reason think that recognition of male-male sexual contact as technically homosexual regardless of context somehow condemns or portrays all homosexually-oriented people in a bad light. Given that people are the way they are, generally, I can understand that fear. It does not help, of course, that pedophiles, in an attempt to portray their activities as some kind of civil right, have hitched their wagon to the star that is the fight for equal rights for homosexuals. This tarnishes the GLBT image, and it's understandable that they'd want to try and avoid any labeling or terminology that links them in any way with pedophiles.

My grandfather had a incestous relationship with me, and my sister. A wife he had sex with, multiple affairs, he was tri-sexual. As in try to screw up as many lives as possible and now I can just work on me.

Col

A question: Is pedophilia itself an orientation? I don't think so. There is a movement afoot in the UK and Canada to make that distinction, along with saying that it should also be acceptable, legal, etc. (see the News Thread, and that movement is not just to "normalize" sex with boys but also with girls.)

I believe there are heterosexual pedophiles, bisexual pedophiles and homosexual pedophiles. I do not believe that every person of any orientation is a pedophile. I also know that some people are married and engaged in pedophilia, so are they both maybe? Both heterosexual and a pedophile?

Reading some of the history of this post, it is unreal to me that an administrator asked someone to leave for expressing their own opinion.

I am a bisexual male - however I do believe that there are pedophiles in the LGBT community and in the Hetero community to try to white wash the truth is crazy, to say that all research shows that all pedophiles are hetero is absurd.

You can argue with what ever study you want to, studies can be slanted for whatever bias they would like to get the results that the people doing the study would like. The thing is if a hetero man says something contrary he will be called a bigot by the LGBT community.

If a gay or bisexual guy like myself says something then the LGBT community would label me as not being supportive of the cause.

The truth is there is evil in this world and men and women are capable of evil, regardless of sexual identity. Trying to take the evil and then pigeon hole that person into an identity is basically over looking the actual evil that these people are attracted to children, which is evil.

I am sure Ken that you can tell me to go in peace as well since this may oppose your views however I believe that as an administrator on this site that you should never tell anyone to go in peace if they are expressing an opinion here if it disagrees with your own then say so. IF they are abusive to others then say so - I believe that none was simply angry to the point that when he expressed his own views the men spouted something off that basically was focusing on orientation my advice would be to keep the main thing the main thing - predators are out there - they pray on the innocent and that fact is the entire reason this place was created.

To say that pedophilia is an orientation is to try to say that sex with kids is not wrong its just a choice, which is Bulls***.

Do not say that most guys are hetero that are perps or that they are homo that are perps or are bi that are perps they are perps.

One other point I want to say here - to everyone on this site - if you sole focus and identity is only in your sexuality YOU ARE MISSING OUT on life totally - you are so much more than that you have an identity, sexuality is a very small part of the identity you have - and my advice is think about your own funeral - and the service for you - how much time do you think is going to be spent discussing your sexual identity.

Josh