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#264158 - 11/28/08 09:12 AM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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It would be interesting to know though, how many "professionals" in the field read Andrew Vachss. As Burke and the "family" enact their form of justice.
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#264159 - 11/28/08 09:15 AM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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#264160 - 11/28/08 09:18 AM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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Steve,
Nooooooooo, really? You mean being a survivor for fifty years means our opinions matter too? Hmmm...better keep that quiet.
As if any statistic could not be read and or manipulated and or used to promote one's own agenda? Imagine that?
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#264161 - 11/28/08 09:21 AM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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#264167 - 11/28/08 09:45 AM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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#264168 - 11/28/08 10:13 AM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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So...hmmm? It might not be "all or nothing" thinking that invites us to attach responsibility to every priest as they defend the Catholic church. Since, the Catholic church has shown that it is church first, parishoner last. The movement, the momentum, their agenda is certainly more important than any insignificant collateral damage along the way. What are thousands of victims and their struggles when weighed against the millions that might certainly benefit?
Perhaps, throwing out the notion that sexual predators can be healed in an audience and population looking first for their own salvation might be like sitting down for the first visit with your therapist and them saying, "Okay. Let's talk about forgiveness. You need to forgive. To not let them have this power over you."
Or, maybe not!!!
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#264172 - 11/28/08 10:36 AM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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#264173 - 11/28/08 10:37 AM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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Jacob, Man I owe you an apology. I've been so busy trying to score points off you  You were? That is the nicest attempt to score points I've ever seen. I wish other people were as polite about it, especially when I try to get local centers to provide more services to male victims. I appreciate your support and kindness. I apologize if that seems somewhat distant, but I'm not good at this sort of thing.
Edited by jacobtk (11/29/08 02:15 AM) Edit Reason: fix incomplete thought
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#264268 - 11/28/08 11:53 PM
Re: Why do abusers abuse?
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Jacob,
I think everybody deserves to be helped if they truely desire it. But from my experence in AA every few people are able to remain in recovery for any lenght of period. Only the most determine people remain.
Mike
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