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#253497 - 10/07/08 11:17 PM Over eating sugar numbing
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Just gorfed a big bag of twizzlers & now cracking a bag of caramel truffle cookies
Anybody else alternately starve then stuff themselves?
(I don't purge)
Anyone else borderline or confirmed eating disorder or cope by sugar coma?

C

Holeecrap, post 1100, I might need a cheesecake too

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#253501 - 10/07/08 11:35 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: ineffable]
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Bring on the chocolate cherries - 18 to a box, twenty minutes, GONE and looking for more!!! And NO, I don't feel the least bit guilty either.

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#253507 - 10/08/08 12:15 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: joelRT]
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I like Mr. Goodbar, myself. The big 1 pound size. I'll eat until I'm sick. Peanut M&Ms, too - the bigger the bag, the better.

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#253520 - 10/08/08 01:53 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: EGL]
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Yes, I had most of a cheesecake just a couple of weeks ago. Tonight's debate was filled with a can of Pringle's and chunky salsa, on top of 2 White Castle cheeseburgers. And now I am enjoying a microwave pretzel with my wife. M&Ms are good too, and I have always liked Milky Ways. How about half a tub of Haagen Daz Vanilla Swiss Almond or a couple of Big Macs some Biggie fries and a root beer float?

They warned us at Hazelden against switching addictions to food.

Borderline, yes. Food addict, maybe. I wonder if that had anything to do with me gaining 90 pounds within 3 years after I quit abusing cocaine? Watch-out around the age of 40, as that is when most people's metabolism slows down and the term pack-rat comes to mind.

Purging helps keep your weight down but I don't recommend it.

Congrats on your longevity.

Mark

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#253524 - 10/08/08 02:19 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Trucker51]
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Just plain chocolate

Or chocolate with almonds

Allen

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#253567 - 10/08/08 10:12 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: pufferfish]
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Yeah, I find myself busy riding from place to place during day and so focused on what I'm supposed to be doing and what's next, I end up not eating at all until dinner and then I spend the evening gorging myself. <sigh>


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#253676 - 10/08/08 05:34 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: M3]
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i just ate 4 wagon wheels one after the other i'm suddenly really hungry

you may not know what a wagon wheel is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagon_Wheels


interesting arguement about wagon wheels:
There have been many debates amongst fans of the biscuit about the size. Wagon Wheels have supposedly shrunk in size as time has progressed, but Burton's Foods Ltd have denied this. It has been suggested that the supposed shrinkage is due to an adult's childhood memory of eating a Wagon Wheel held in a much smaller hand.

i am going to go cook summing now

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#253681 - 10/08/08 05:54 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: king tut]
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Mmmm... Moon Pies... chocolate or banana! I think they are basically the same thing. I could eat those by the box.

I think the Moon Pies have been getting smaller, but who knows, they now come in three different sizes anyway, and even double decker!

I'm glad I put dinner in the oven... I'm really getting hungry...


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#253702 - 10/08/08 07:15 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: M3]
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Speaking of banana, how about a banana flip? Hostess makes a square chocolate version too, along with Ho-ho's and Ding Dongs. Or maybe one of those double-chocolate chocolate-chip muffins or a piece of crumb coffee cake down at Starbucks along with your Java Chip Grande size?

Maybe one of Johnson's Corner's cinnamon rolls? They are only about 2000 calories each. http://www.johnsonscorner.com/

Bon appetite!!!

Mark

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#253884 - 10/09/08 12:44 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: M3]
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For myself, sometimes I can't be bothered to eat.
It's like I don't know what I want & too much of an initial decision & then too much effort.
I find as well when I feel pressured or dissappointed I drown my sorrows in sugar.
I also get worked up & then after binging on sugar it is all I can do to ride out the coma.
The image of a snake in torpor after swallowing something whole.
The cycle reminds me somewhat of self-harm/cutting too?
(maybe that is a stretch for some, but I welcome comments)
holeecrapdoood I'm gonna post this

C as in coffeecrispcaramilkcruncheecadburys....

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#253908 - 10/09/08 01:41 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: ineffable]
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If you are in a big hurry, why not try some fast food that you can eat while you are driving, or maybe a big bag of chips???

Who cares about sugar if you've got junk food???

And it may not be too good for you either!!!

How 'bout a Camel afterwards???

Then a can of Red Bull???

GollyGeeGosh, WTF???

Mark

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#253909 - 10/09/08 01:55 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Trucker51]
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Originally Posted By: Trucker51
GollyGeeGosh, WTF???


In the immortal words of Emily Latella

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#253923 - 10/09/08 02:19 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: ineffable]
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i am truly offended [i'm kidding, i'm kidding!] by those who mount their high-horses to preach about sex, porn, alcohol, food, cigs, over-work, over-achieving, compulsive-relationship-getters-into, and other various and sundry junkie behaviors. some are socially acceptable and other are not.

let's talk about the fine line of distinction between the two categories, or is that beyond our capacity to be 'honest', and then let's just call it a draw.

on the other hand, we could talk about other pleasantries, such as would highlight our 'other' commonalities.

or not.....


craig you just bring out the
in me.......... i think i'll go watch fargo for the umpteenth time now

great big huggaloves,

ron

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#253937 - 10/09/08 02:46 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Sans Logos]
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As they say in Fargo, you bet!!!

M



Edited by Trucker51 (10/09/08 02:57 PM)
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#254117 - 10/10/08 06:05 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: ineffable]
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Popcorn! With lots of butter!

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#254272 - 10/10/08 10:29 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: roadrunner]
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#254504 - 10/11/08 11:52 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: M3]
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Edited by Niels (12/10/08 08:36 AM)
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#254781 - 10/12/08 11:49 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: ineffable]
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Yesterday I bought a pumpkin pie. I finished it off tonight.

Allen

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* actually I have started losing weight as I use the breathing machine (cpap) in bed at night.


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#254820 - 10/13/08 07:47 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Niels]
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niels, i am sorry you were triggered because this thread was misposted. maybe the mods could more it to the off topic forum since it does seem incongruous to the purpose of this forum:

Quote:
Discussion about effective methods of healthy living and wellness for male survivors.


Originally Posted By: Niels
Guys this is no laughing matter. ....So I find it tasteless, irresponsible and sad that a survivor that raise questions about over eating get answers that ridicule and belittle one of the most serious mental problems survivors can face.


ouch, your conclusion strikes me as a bit harsh. i can understand your being triggered by the topic, and again triggered by its improper placement, but can you really justify such a characterization?

that is a bit over the top in my opinion [which i am entitled to, as you are to yours].

i mean no harm, but just wanted to state my thoughts about this. i too have struggled with compulsive behaviors, including eating disorder ever since high school, so i do understand your pain.

sincerely,

ron



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#254829 - 10/13/08 08:15 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Sans Logos]
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Ummm Ron ...

Do you think Niels might have actually got it right and the rest of you got it wrong ?

I have read Craigs' contributions to this thread and it would seem to me he is trying to have a serious discussion on eating disorders (granted in his usual ineffable style) that everyone else seems to have missed ?

Just my opinion ... \:\)

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#254831 - 10/13/08 08:24 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: arronb]
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yea, could be, and as i stated, i agree with niels to a point. but i think he reacted emotionally after being triggered by what he read. i think if anyone has the 'right' to set us straight [ah-hem!] about the intentionality of the topic, it would craig.

we'll have to see how he chimes in on it.

:-)

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#254863 - 10/13/08 11:21 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Sans Logos]
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Aaronb,

I think you might be right. This thread is sort of a blend of discussion poor eating habit and possible eating disorders with what I took as everyone's favorite comfort foods...

Craig, what was your intentions with this thread?

Niels, you are correct that, being in this Health and Wellness forum, we should be more sensitive to the purpose of the forum.

Michael


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#254864 - 10/13/08 11:30 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Sans Logos]
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Originally Posted By: Sans Logos
i think if anyone has the 'right' to set us straight [ah-hem!] about the intentionality of the topic
it would craig.

we'll have to see how he chimes in on it.

Who's implying I am a ding dong?
mmmm ding dongs

It is a serious topic
However, I just throw things out there & see if they stick, so perhaps that might contribute to the whimsicalness?
Wordplay, puns & entertaining myself in my process is another factor.
If the point gets missed & it is important enough to me it usually gets revisited.

On an aside, sometimes it feels like threads don't get read from the beginning & the tone gets "picked up" at a later point in
its evolution or regression.

Dialogue.
It's a good thang.

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#254866 - 10/13/08 11:34 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: ineffable]
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Craig or Niels,

Would you mind starting another thread about this? I do think this is an issue that needs to be discussed. It is a very serious issue with survivors seeing as so many of us have such distorted self-images.

I know I'm guilty of looking at the Last 24 hour of posts without looking to see which forum the post is from. Sorry!

Michael


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#254871 - 10/13/08 11:55 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Sans Logos]
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But the Craig that we know and love is all about having fun and having fun with. Yes, it could have been a serious question. In my own business world, filled with tight deadlines, many too many hours of high speeds and heavy traffic, filled with impossible and highly-demanding levels of stress, forcing the monster truck ever onward to another dissatisfied customer who wanted the stuff yesterday, I feel that eating healthy is virtually impossible. Every minute of my workday counts. Have you ever tried to park a monster truck somewhere that you could get some half-decent, low-carb, healthier, food, let alone waste that kind of time?

If this had been a serious question despite the style of the author, the serious answer would have been somewhere along the lines of deciding whether your long-term health or your stressful daily life was more important in the overall scheme of things. I have been asked many times why I couldn't take the time to eat healthy and give-up eating fast food on the run. Giving up the required amount of time to eat healthier is a virtual impossibility in my business, to say nothing of the parking problem. And not only that, but I often find that healthy food tends toward boring and the impractible. I often long for the unhealthy act of sating the primal desire with greasy meat and fries, washing it down with an energy soda, the simple pleasure of an post-gorging cigarette, as I get back into the stress of the daily grind. But again, is my devotion to solving the daily stress in my business costing myself my health? And when is too much too much? At what point are we forced to face the question of our health vs the demands of our world?

Perhaps this would have been a better and more serious response if Craig's question had been one of a serious nature. There are those, my lttle sister included, who struggle on a daily basis with eating disorders and other eating maladies. Have you ever tried to find gluten-free restaurant food, then wash it down with a little Body Balance? Have you ever had to force yourself to stay out of the junk food and candy aisles and force yourself to learn to take the time to eat better, healthier food?

Are learning and developing healthier eating habits an eventual recovery question for some if not many of us within our shared community? As we age, the answer for many of us will be yes.

That said, I'm a Faygo Rock & Rye man myself.

Mark

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#254951 - 10/13/08 06:32 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Trucker51]
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I think I did get triggered by seeing that most of the replies Craig got, were not taking this issue serious and did not answer his questions.

Men having eating disorders is often a problem that many do not take serious. Only the very underweight anorexic or the superhuge obese person will not be able to hide that they have serious lifethreatening problem. I was bad enough as a teenager discovering that I was mostly attracted to other guys. But on top of that having such "girlie disease" was worse for me. I was so ashamed of it, even though it was the first symptoms - that something was very wrong with me emotionally and that I were not able to cope with.

It is wellknown that more gay men, than straight men will develop eating disorders like Anorexia or Bulimia. Just to set things Straight ... :-) Perhaps because gay men are more consicous about looks and body appearance?

Yes I can be a bit harsh sometimes when I call people to order. I apologize that I did not word my response better. But I found that Craig and the issue he raised deserved a better more empathetic response.

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#255387 - 10/15/08 11:23 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Niels]
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I think at least part of the answer that Craig was looking for was any commonality of binging on sugary snacks among the members of our joint recovery community, and that question was answered by comparing everyone's sugary snack choices, even if the answer was more humorous and less empathetic than it could have been, given the fact that some of us may have problems with eating disorders or other negative or self-destructive coping behaviors. The problem of transferring our addictions for alcohol or illegal drugs to food in recovery is an issue that many of us may face though.

Most of our membership ought to be aware that I have had my own problem with a tremendous weight gain following my substance abuse treatment in 1996-1998. Even though I had thought that I was cutting way back on my food intake and trying to eat healthier when I was in drug treatment, over the first 5 years following my first stint at Hazelden for a ruinous $200-$300 everyday cocaine habit, I managed to go from 6'5" and 205 lbs to weighing as much or more than an NFL lineman at 345 lbs. Looking back it was likely the daily stress of my job and all of the fast food on the run that was the culprit as much or more so than transferring my addiction to cocaine to food. The movie Supersize Me made me much more aware of the problems possible with constantly eating fast food on the run. And once anyone has a bunch of excess weight, getting rid of it can be a very difficult proposition.

Though I consider myself quite open, liberal, and openly tolerant of all minorities, and even have tried to go out of my way to protect other people's rights and denounce intolerant viewpoints, I'll admit that I had never even considered the issue of a gay man's physical appearance as being of greater importance than it might be to the average straight guy who might be struggling with a weight problem.

As a 30-year career semi driver, I am well aware of the effect that fear, a lack of understanding, and intolerance, out of the average driving public and public policymakers, has on me and other members of my employment fraternity. All that any of us can do going forward is to try to be more tolerant and aware of the issues that others face.

That said, it has also been said that humor is the best medicine,

Mark

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#255414 - 10/15/08 02:14 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Trucker51]
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I have had issues with eating disorder some years back. Either not eating at all, and then when I would eat (normal eating, never was for 'binging' because it just feel gross), would panic and make myself throw up. And that was just with normal food. To much sugar food makes my head go crazy and give me a headache afterward. My head is crazy enough, it don't need no help.

It took some years to completely stop the bad eating behaviors, but I can honestly say that I eat pretty good most of the time now (if I'm to stressed or sick I sometime still have a hard time to eat), and can say also honestly that the only times I have throw up in the last year and half or so is been because I am actually sick or something like that, not from making myself do it.

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#256647 - 10/21/08 04:42 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: ineffable]
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Part of the problem with emotional overeating is that our brains need glucose (sugar) to function and so by necessity we feel pleasure in our bodies when the brain gets its drug.
Exactly how powerful of a drug is sugar?
Scientist conducted an experiment whereby mice in a cage could access as much cocaine as they wanted by pushing a lever.All the mice soon became addicted to the cocaine and were frequently pushing the lever.Then the scientist introduced sugar into the mice's cage where the mice could now also access as much sugar as they wanted by pushing a lever.In a short while,all the mice had become more addicted to sugar than to cocaine.
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#256697 - 10/21/08 01:32 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: rosejenifar]
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The only way that I lost any weight was the Atkins' Diet. Four years ago I lost 45 lbs in 6 weeks only moderately adhering to his diet. But you might be right about the brain's need for glucose to function, because just like Dr. Atkins, I ended-up falling down a flight of 8 concrete steps, which ended my time on his diet. And like all diets, once you quit the diet, the weight comes back. It was a gain of 20 lbs fairly quickly, followed by another 10 or 15 lbs every year at the holidays, until I'm right back where I started from.

You are quite right that most of us are addicted to sugar from a very young age. Most baby food is loaded with sugar. And for those of you who don't know, Faygo is a regional soda pop bottler out of the Detroit-area that bottles about 50 flavors. Their Rock & Rye is like a combination of a cola and a cream soda, and like most all soda pop, it is loaded with sugar too. Most non-diet sodas have 40 grams of sugar or more in a 12 oz can, which means 53 or more grams in a half-liter bottle. You also have to look at the manufacturer's serving size too, which often is quite small.

And most prepared foods or microwave foods have a huge amount of sugar or carbs in them too. Even carrots, peas. or beans have sugar, and so does milk. Atkins wants you to cut your sugar and carb intake to under 20 grams a day. So it is basically meat, fish, chicken, plus certain no-sugar vegetables, and Splenda is the only approved sweetener on the Atkins' Diet. You can also eat small amounts of nuts and some berries. You are supposed to cut-out any use of caffiene and quit smoking too, which I found impossible on both counts. And you may need to take some fiber supplements too. But his diet does work if you can stick with it. Once you lose the weight you can relax a bit but you can't go back to certain sugary foods ever if you want the weight to stay off.

Good luck, is all that I can say.

Mark

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#289909 - 06/02/09 02:57 AM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Trucker51]
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I'm a bit of an emotional eater. For me thought I tend not to eat and am always feeling, run down, exhausted, tired, just blah. I live alone and get tired of constantly trying to feed myself, over and over and over again. More often than not I just am too lazy or don't feel like cooking because of the clean up involved. Now I enjoy cooking but it be great to have someone else doing the dirty work. I get tired and exhausted going at it alone. And while I have you guys as a network, sometimes I want the physical presence of others in my life as well. I think too at times I may use junk food to fill a void in my life, hate that I do that. It just is something I struggle with. I notice when I have what my body considers a binge I feel better, calmer, just overall improved, well being, must be getting adequate nutrients on those days.

Charlie.

P.S. Great topic btw.

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#365436 - 07/04/11 02:12 PM Re: Over eating sugar numbing [Re: Charlie24]
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Our emotions do drive us to eat. Stress causes the release of adrenalin (otherwise known as epinephrine) which in turn causes us to release our stored sugar supplies into the blood stream. It also makes us want to eat, especially sweet things. This raises the blood sugar content. Then the pancreas answers by secreting more insulin. This makes many of us temporarily feel better because were on a "sugar high".

However, the blood sugar level can drop steeply a little later and then we will crave more sweets. And our "system" has become accustomed to a higher intake of sugar, or we have become "addicted". Also we will have put on weight in the form of fat as our body attempts to store reserves for the next onslaught.

Yesterday I played music with an orchestra. I really love doing this.

http://www.etsomusic.org/about/

One of the sponsors of the concert was Little Debbie Snack Cakes. (Thank you Little Debbie).

http://www.littledebbie.com/products/cakes_brownies.asp

Afterward I consumed a couple of products. I didn't gain weight on it because of the exertion in the heat.

Allen


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