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#244651 - 08/15/08 06:59 AM News about Jarrad
Lazarus Offline
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Many of you know Jarrad, and I wanted to share some news about him.

This morning I was informed that Jarrad has been hospitalized because of a drug overdose. He is apparently going to make a full recovery, physically. I'm sure many of you will want to join me in wishing Jarrad well.

Best regards,

Lazarus



Edited by ModTeam (08/15/08 03:38 PM)

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#244654 - 08/15/08 07:21 AM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Lazarus]
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I got an email saying what had happened.

Jarrad was always here for me and helped me through so much, he kept me here and sane. We talked and met in the hc.

i agree with everything you say Lazarus.

he might have been in your face and has big problems with authority but he always said it like it is, and this helped me and so many more.

So pm the mods and ask if a brother in need can be allowed to come back, please.

Ben



Edited by SEVEN ARROWS (08/15/08 10:03 AM)

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#244669 - 08/15/08 09:42 AM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Lazarus]
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laz, thanks for the report.

for all of it's good intentions, ms is no way ready to deal with the issues that come with being survivor who is 'other orientated'. an organization run by predominantly heterosexual men in a field of mental health does not necessarily spell understanding. compassion, yes, tolerance, yes.

we do have special forum where we can say what we need to say, and for that we are grateful, but for the most part, people here cannot relate to our unique position, and for whatever reason, deep seated homophobia in general not withstanding, i seriously doubt if in our lifetime, we will ever be able to breathe comfortably the air of heterosexual bias that pervades our psychic climate.

until people, in their own minds, stop making sexuality a black and white issue, this will never change, because there will always be the self-righteous majority that believes the smell of its own farts to be the sweetest.

i realize that any organization has to protect its interests and i can honor that. the recent hejira of disgruntled members has left its impact on all of us. but for those of us who only get support from fellow survivors who are not fleeced with frocks of exclusivity and bias, that one member lost as a tremendous point of support represents a huge percentage in the cutback of unconditional supportive presence.

jarrad i love your heart and your spirit. i miss your presence. you are a good person. i keep you in my thoughts and prayers that you will prevail in your desire to surmount all the roadblocks life has placed in your path.

in keeping with the current theme of the times, i celebrate the olympian spirit of the gay survivor.

your brother in recovery,

ron

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#244674 - 08/15/08 10:09 AM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Sans Logos]
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Quote:
but for those of us who only get support from fellow survivors who are not fleeced with frocks of exclusivity and bias, that one member lost as a tremendous point of support represents a huge percentage in the cutback of unconditional supportive presence.


Agreed! Every loss hurts badly. Aside from my T, I haven't got any support except from other survivors. I have my wife, but as she's not a survivor, her level of understanding isn't the same. She just can't know the pain and issues I feel inside. And all the survivors I know are exclusively online and through this site. I haven't gotten any local support at all :-(

So even the loss of one here can hurt many.


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#244689 - 08/15/08 11:16 AM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: JustScott]
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My thoughts and prayers are with Jarrad. I have missed his wit and his willingness to discuss any topic.

... regarding the statement

for all of it's good intentions, ms is no way ready to deal with the issues that come with being survivor who is 'other orientated'.

That is is not what I personally have experienced, though I completely understand the following feeling:

i seriously doubt if in our lifetime, we will ever be able to breathe comfortably the air of heterosexual bias

Jarrad - you are a true friend, a great individual, and I miss you.


M


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#244692 - 08/15/08 11:31 AM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: MarkK]
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When I first came to MS, Jarrad was willing to tell me exactly like it was with no sugar coating. I have missed that. He was willing to help me deal with a very personal issue in a compassionate, yet forthright, manner. I hope that he will be allowed back here. I agree with JustScott
"So even the loss of one here can hurt many."

Brian

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#244697 - 08/15/08 11:44 AM Re: News about Jarrad
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Originally Posted By: Lazarus


... regarding the statement

for all of it's good intentions, ms is no way ready to deal with the issues that come with being survivor who is 'other orientated'.

That is is not what I personally have experienced


yea, well i certainly expect only about 95% of agreement with that statement, so weighing in on it certain helps to support my point, in my mind, anyway, but there again that is disputable.

many people are at transitional stages in dealing with their own sexual identities here at male survivor, emotionally and sexually polarized in relationships that they may not have chosen prior to self-disclosure. we who had escaped into relationships to salve the pain of buried wounds as it was related to having been abused, must lie in the beds that seem to have been pre-ordained for us. for those, i am sure this has been a great place to find support while 'in progress' and in process of healing, while coming to terms with the baggage of sexual abuse.

myself, i am not struggling with my sexual identity, but i remember the time of conflict when i was, and i remember the needs i had at the time.

what i have learned thru my own process of enlightenment in recovery is that it is not me that does not 'fit in'. it is the culture that refuses to pull up and squeeze in a chair at the main table. we have tolerated being made to sit 'at the kids table' all our lives, and been expected to not balk about it.....well that's another issue, and i need to unpack that in another post.

but for now, we the 5% can respectfully disagree with the other 95% that there is or is not equity of longitude and latitude in terms of the balance of gender power here at ms.

respectfully,

ron

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#244708 - 08/15/08 12:04 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Sans Logos]
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i knew opening my mouth even about my own experiences was going to get me in the muck (though why the quote says it's from Lazarus and not me i may never understand). i shall learn, some day, to keep my opinions to myself.

But, back to the initial spirit of this thread - I have missed and will continue to miss discussions with Jarrad, and am sorry to hear about his current circumstances.

M


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#244718 - 08/15/08 12:22 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: MarkK]
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Well, Mark...I, for one, like to hear your opinions.

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#244724 - 08/15/08 12:30 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Sans Logos]
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Ron,

Originally Posted By: Sans Logos
for all of it's good intentions, ms is no way ready to deal with the issues that come with being survivor who is 'other orientated'. an organization run by predominantly heterosexual men in a field of mental health does not necessarily spell understanding. compassion, yes, tolerance, yes.

Originally Posted By: Sans Logos
but for now, we the 5% can respectfully disagree with the other 95% that there is or is not equity of longitude and latitude in terms of the balance of gender power here at ms.

So far as I have heard in the Mod Forum and here on the Discussion Board your sentiments are not shared by the gay brothers who serve on our Board of Directors and ModTeam; their opinion is routinely sought any time a matter pertaining to gay survivors comes up. But if you have specific suggestions or criticisms please PM me and let me know, and we will see what we can do about them.

Larry, aka roadrunner
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#244727 - 08/15/08 12:33 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: roadrunner]
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I hope you get better soon Jarrad, you have been a great help to me on the boards and in chat. My thoughts are with you! please i hope you get better soon

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#244752 - 08/15/08 01:44 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: MarkK]
Sans Logos Offline
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ahh, so a retort of some kind was anticipated......hmmmmm, sometimes i wonder about you kids.......

LOL

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#244755 - 08/15/08 02:01 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: roadrunner]
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thanks larry, nothing specific, just stuff in general. there are no easy fixes and i don't even know if i have the brain to verbalize them, and it seems too complex for my little brain to try to explain. i appreciate your concern, truly. i will pass from further extrapolation. partly because while you report in public here that there is indeed commiseration between all representatives of the diverse genders at the level of management, the private discussion leading up to jarrad's dismissal was not made public, and was arrived at privately. having a huddle room leaves me feeling suspicious. i admit it.

what i will point to however, is this: perhaps to some people jarrad's disappearance passed unnoticed, but as i alluded to earlier, a single gay member gone without explanation, really lowers the level of trust for me in the web site's ability to live up to its mission statement: "We are committed to preventing, healing, and eliminating all forms of sexual victimization of boys and men through support, treatment, research, education, advocacy, and activism."

no doubt that the organization in general is succeeding in that fiat, and that in itself is laudable. however, since this web site aspect is most likely the primary portal for entry into the world of recovery from male sexual abuse, in a certain sense it is bound to create common ground for collusion, reinforcing the pathos and subconscious ethos of the strongest participating members, and the manner in which they rally round their shared principles for 'support'.

usually, this dominant ethos is supportive of religious and sexual bias' that i personally find victimizing. i can only wonder how lurking potential members translate all of this. so much is spoken in what is not said.

at any rate, these are issues that all real and cyber communities deal with.... i referred to it once as the 'lord of the flies' mentality.

but, now, i realize, that here i am defending myself in a forum where, as a gay man, i thought i would find recluse, only to be bombarded with comments from other oriented people disputing my claims.

you know, we could have a heterosexual forum and then i could go there and post a big BUT, to every thing said there.

see my point?

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#244760 - 08/15/08 02:08 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Sans Logos]
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an interesting thought ... what the ratio is of other-oriented vs hetero-oriented people who have been, for whatever reason, blocked from the website. and how many reasons (if any) were ever made public.

we could also have a spiritual forum where people could post a big BUT to ... wait ... we already have that experience.

M&m


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#244761 - 08/15/08 02:09 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: MarkK]
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what a big BUTT? LOL

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#244762 - 08/15/08 02:10 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Sans Logos]
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thanks


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#244763 - 08/15/08 02:12 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: king tut]
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I certainly feel for Jarrad and his struggle for freedom. I had a number of productive conversations with him, both on the forums and privately. Just in the time that I knew him, I felt that he was making some progress away from his angry, loud, and confrontational manner of writing.

I look back at where I was early in my first attempt at recovery and there were a lot of similarities then with the place that Jarrad is at now. I was a really unpleasant and negative person to be around at that time, with ongoing drug and alcohol problems, and rather extreme issues with disrespect for authority and angry, abusive language. I hung with the obvious wrong crowd and it often seemed that I did anything that I could do to make other people shy away from me, fear me, or dislike me. I never got comfortable with my first support group and left them when school let out for spring break in the Spring of 1988. Two days after my first wife left me I ended 3 years clean off of cocaine in a really big way. Then it was 7 years of progressively worse hell before I found my way back to treatment and therapy though the intervention route. I OD'd a dozen times at least, hated myself and other people worse and worse, and had a really bad attitude where I just didn't care about myself too. I lost lots of friendships during that time, and am really lucky that I survived it to share it with you guys now.

I would really hate to see us give-up on someone who was making good progress towards personal freedom just because they were in a similar place that I once was. I am proof that someone doesn't have to stay that way forever. I would hope that the powers that be might reconsider their decision. Jarrad has an awful lot to lose. I've been there, and I know.

Get well soon, my man. We're thinking of you.

Mark



Edited by Trucker51 (08/15/08 04:14 PM)
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#244764 - 08/15/08 02:12 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: MarkK]
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;\)

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#244779 - 08/15/08 03:22 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Lazarus]
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Thanks so much for the update; i hadn't known what happened, but i had sent Jarrad a PM not long ago, and by the lack of response, or any forum messages, i knew he wasn't "around"- i had thought maybe it was his decision to take a break from MS.

I'm really sad that he's had to go through all this; i'm glad to know he's at least physically safe now, but i too worry about what kind of support's available for him. Yes, he could come across at times as too confrontational, or a button-pusher, but it always struck me as a combination of both an inability to "suffer fools gladly", and the tendency many survivors can have of behavior that says, in effect, "Oh, so you think you care about me, or know me? How's THIS grab ya?"

I realize the site has rules and limits designed to keep things as safe and supportive as possible (especially for those coming here for the first time, as well as those who've been around for a while), but that doesn't change the fact that i wish very much i could at least give Jarrad a virtual hug again... I always thought, if MS were Sesame Street, Jarrad was like our Oscar the Grouch, at times.

Maybe it's not possible, but i'd be happy to see him back- if anyone is able to be in touch w/ him outside of here, let him know i miss him, would you?

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#244786 - 08/15/08 03:48 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: dgoods]
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get well soon Jarrad. Thanks for the update too.
To me Jarrad was and is a blessing - no matter how uptight I was - he knew how to shave off the edge.

I think he might like that imagery..... "shaving" lol

- I really hope he feels better real soon.

He has always been pretty wonderful and accepting to me.

I am very sorry that I could not be there for him - as many times as he was for me. Well - GET WELL SOON!!!!

mgb

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#244787 - 08/15/08 03:51 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: markgreyblue]
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I'd like to say more but I'm gonna leave it at that.

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#244810 - 08/15/08 05:04 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: markgreyblue]
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I miss you and your comments. Get well, I hope we all see you back on Male Survivor

Ken

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#244813 - 08/15/08 05:26 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Sans Logos]
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Originally Posted By: Sans Logos
you know, we could have a heterosexual forum and then i could go there and post a big BUT, to every thing said there.

see my point?

Actually, no I don't. That's why I asked. If you find that gay perspectives are being challenged and dismissed then I would like to know about it. A few specifics would help.

This thread probably isn't the right place for such a review, since it would hijack the discussion already being pursued here. But if you want, start a thread on this in the Gay Forum itself (anywhere really, but in the GF it would come to the most immediate attention of other gay users), let me know you have done that, and let's see where it goes. I do want to hear it if you guys find you are not being heard and taken seriously here.

Much love,
Larry

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#244847 - 08/15/08 08:28 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: roadrunner]
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thanks for the offer larry but i really have no more to say about it. i'm empty. have a peaceful evening.

ron

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#244848 - 08/15/08 08:28 PM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: roadrunner]
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(Duplicate post)



Edited by ModTeam (08/16/08 01:59 AM)

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#244895 - 08/16/08 01:59 AM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Sans Logos]
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I'm all for continuing it in another thread - course I'm surprised that people think they know the sexual orientation of the mods or admins - for sure - but if anyone has examples of bias against "other oriented" I would like to hear about it. But I can assure you that Jarrad's sexual orientation had no part in our consideration of his situation.

So, Larry is right, start another thread for this issue.

Thad
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#244899 - 08/16/08 02:33 AM Re: News about Jarrad [Re: Thad]
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Greetings,

I want each of you to know that I feel so badly for Jarrad’s situation. His relationship to the site has had a long and difficult path that has included much good that he has given to the rest of us, and much that he has gotten from us. The circumstances of Jarrad’s absence will as always be handled privately since that is our way of preserving each person’s privacy.

The other issue is that campaigns to deal with a mod decision or action in the public forum have always been a distraction for many who came here to deal with the issues of their own recovery. Each user of the site is welcome to raise their issues about the site operation with one of the mods or with myself. We may disagree or we may share something useful with each other, but rest assured that my job will always be to keep the site safe for users and I will endeavor to be guided by that principle. On the other hand, I would not be here if I wasn’t deeply committed to contributing to the recovery of others as well as myself.

Jarrad will be in my prayers each day as well as in the prayers of my church's congregation on Sunday. But also know that the mods will have my prayers as well, since each of them are also survivors in recovery and are effected by the "family squabbles" we have with users on the site.

"All of us deserve the loving care and sustaining support from each other that is our birthright." (which is the affirmation I offer to each of us)

Please read the enclosed message from Larry who has been staying in touch with the Jarrad’s situation.

Quote:

Guys,

I have just been speaking with a close friend of Jarrad’s and can report that he’s doing better today. He gets up and around a bit, but is still sedated for the most part and has difficulty following a conversation and keeping in mind where he is. But his friend passed on my greetings and Jarrad knew who I was. Quite naturally he feels a bit awkward that I know about the OD, but a drug problem in youth is an issue that he and I share and have frequently talked about, so it was okay.

I will continue to be in touch with Jarrad and I have passed on the various greetings you have sent to him. We want everyone to know that we are as concerned about Jarrad’s welfare and safety as you are. He is not being abandoned, and I have been in contact with him throughout the time he has been off the site.

We also appreciate your own concerns for Jarrad and his status on the site. Unfortunately this is not something we can discuss without publicizing private information and violating the confidence of Jarrad and others. These are things we cannot do. This is an important issue on MaleSurvivor; all of us need to know that when we come here our confidences will be respected and our privacy will be honored. This is a crucial aspect of the atmosphere of safety that makes a place like this work.

For similar reasons we cannot accommodate on the site public campaigns on behalf of a particular user or constituency against site policies or the actions of the ModTeam. Discussion of such topics in a meaningful way would require disclosure of confidential details, and as we cannot do that, any exchange would be based on incomplete or one-sided information. In any case, such debates comprise a serious distraction from the real reason we are all here, which is to work on our recovery. It also discourages new guys from reaching out and taking advantage of a unique opportunity. We might also consider whether Jarrad himself would want this unfortunate setback to be turned into a campaign; I think I know him well enough to say he would not.

That is not to say that we want to deprive you of opportunities to express your greetings and best wishes to Jarrad. As he has called himself the “uber gay” of MaleSurvivor I think it would be appropriate that our gay brothers on the site start a new thread in the Gay Forum specifically devoted to greetings for him – I think he would like that. Call it "Greetings for Jarrad" so everyone will know what to look for. If you have never been in the Gay Forum here's a good opportunity to check out what your gay brothers are talking about. I will check the thread every morning and pass it on to Jarrad whatever greetings have been made in the past 24 hours. Please, let’s leave other agendas at the door and focus on supporting a fellow survivor who needs to feel understood and special.

Larry, aka roadrunner
ModTeam Coordinator


I will be closing this thread since its purpose included creating a campaign on behalf of Jarrad to return. PLEASE POST MESSAGES FOR JARRAD HERE: Greetings for Jarrad

Any comments you have will be welcomed by PM or email to MSAdmin@malesurvivor.org or to one of the mods. Although I have been somewhat unavailable recently due to health needs, I will endeavor to and should be able to respond more quickly in the future.

Peace and recovery my fellow survivors
Thad
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