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#244306 - 08/13/08 02:42 PM Boy Scouts and CSA
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Brothers force Scouts to reveal abuse scope
Thousands of suspect leaders detailed
August 29, 2007

BY JONATHAN MARTIN

SEATTLE TIMES

SEATTLE -- Like many other boys who grew up in the early 1980s, Tom and Matt Stewart shared a childhood of hikes, campouts and fishing trips, most of it thanks to the Boy Scouts of America.

It was a program that kept the brothers involved in their Federal Way, Wash., troop all the way to Eagle Scouts. Years later, Tom Stewart became a Scoutmaster for his own sons.


But as they became adults and moved a thousand miles apart, each brother privately struggled with memories that neither wanted to talk about: of sexual abuse they had suffered at the hands of their Scoutmaster, Bruce Phelps.
After decades of silence, the Stewart brothers grew convinced they weren't alone. In 2003, they sued the Boy Scouts and their former Scoutmaster and won an out-of-court settlement.

Four years later, the case has become a landmark in the 97-year history of the Boy Scouts. For the first time, the Boy Scouts of America has been forced to turn over to the Stewarts' attorneys its entire archive on sexually abusive Scout leaders.

The previously private records show that the Boy Scouts have ejected at least 5,100 adult leaders nationwide for sexual abuse allegations since 1946.

And the files reveal that, despite efforts to keep potential abusers from joining, the problems persist. In the last 15 years alone, the organization has kicked out leaders for such allegations at a rate of one every other day.

The 45 boxes of files aren't public because of a court order, which prohibits the Stewarts and their lawyers from disclosing specific cases. But a statistical summary of the files, provided by the Stewarts' attorneys, shows the problem is larger than previously known.

Boy Scouts officials won't talk about the cases, but they note that ejected volunteers represent a small fraction of the 1.2 million adults who participate in Scouting every year. They also stress that they now have rules, including background checks and training, that didn't exist when Phelps was abusing Scouts.

Phelps declined to be interviewed, but he has admitted to abusing the brothers and two other boys in sworn testimony. He has never been convicted of a crime.

Hidden abuses

"The Boy Scouts is very unique because there is a very dangerous bond between Scout and Scoutmaster," said Tom Stewart, now a 44-year-old Boeing engineer. "You are out in the middle of nowhere on an outing, and the Scoutmaster is God."

The abuse involving the Stewart brothers, including oral and anal sex, persisted through high school, the brothers say -- at Scout outings and camps, at a drive-in movie theater, at Phelps' house and in the Stewarts' basement while their parents were upstairs.

Their parents let them spend weekends at Phelps' house on the pretext of working on merit badges, even after Phelps had moved to West Seattle, where he led another Scout troop.

"He would say, 'OK, that knot looks fine; you got your merit badge -- now let's have sex,' " said Matt Stewart, now a 42-year-old pharmaceutical salesman in Palm Desert, Calif.

The Stewarts said they stayed quiet about the abuse because Phelps threatened to shoot their parents -- or himself. They said they believed him because he often carried a revolver.

"I was constantly scared," Matt Stewart said.

In a deposition for the brothers' lawsuit, Phelps denied making the threats.

But according to a police report, Phelps admitted to a detective that he had abused the Stewarts and two other boys. The detective wrote that he called the regional Scouting office, but no one returned the call.

Despite Phelps' confession, the case was closed without charges being filed because the statute of limitations had expired, the detective wrote.

Phelps' name wasn't added to the Boy Scouts' secret Ineligible Volunteers Files until the Stewarts sued in 2003. The organization later said the lawsuit was the first time anyone had complained about him.

Many offenders

But there have been complaints about thousands of other Scout leaders in the United States.

In fact, since its founding in 1910, the Boy Scouts of America has kept files on volunteers it considers to be unfit, including sexual abusers, criminals and homosexuals. The organization has periodically purged the files, according to depositions in other cases.

As early as 1935, the organization had files on about 1,000 so-called degenerates. The Stewarts' attorneys counted 732 files from 1946 to 1971.

Gregg Shields, a spokesman for the national Boy Scouts office in Irving, Texas, said the files are intended to prevent ejected Scout leaders from bouncing into new leadership roles among the 300 councils nationwide.

"It is merely a suspicion or belief, a question of fitness of an individual in the Boy Scouts," he said.

"We are a private organization, and we can extend leadership positions to whomever we see fit."

The organization guards the contents of the files but has been forced to turn over parts of them a handful of times.

To get the full set, the Stewarts' attorneys fought the Boy Scouts up to the Washington Supreme Court.


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#244308 - 08/13/08 03:08 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: pufferfish]
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Holy shit... 5,100 scoutmasters dismissed due to abuse allegations in the last 60 years? That's 85 abusers per year, and if we conservatively estimate a dozen abused boys per abuser (and I suspect the number is much higher, though no one can give a concrete statistic), that's over 1,000 boys per year.

And these are just the ones who have been caught.

Bryan

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#244596 - 08/14/08 08:56 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: BJK]
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These days the Boy Scouts have a decent troop-level abuse awareness program, one that's better than any other group's, I think. There are rules like two-deep adult leadership at all events (at least two adults present), and no single adult allowed with any single scout (who isn't the adult's child) out of sight of other adults or scouts. And, by the way, at least one of those two-adults-at-the-minimum has to have been certified in the BSA's child abuse prevention and detection training. But this doesn't help if there's an adult leader who is a predator. He will simply ignore the two-deep requirement. Or he'll attend the training and not make any of the other adult leaders take it.

It also doesn't help in the (I would guess extremely rare) occasion that both of the two adults are predators and in league with each other, or in the (likely more common) occasion that the two (or however many) scouts are all victims.

And when it comes to identified predators, the BSA gives absolutely no help at all. I belonged to a troop in my mid-to-late teens. I only made Life, but when I turned 18 I stayed as an ASM for a couple of years. There was one man, early thirties or so, who showed up to one of our meetings to volunteer. He seemed to be knowledgeable and trustworthy, and explained that he had been an ASM at another troop, but ended up quitting because of a nasty dispute with that troop's SM over some procedural issue or other, in which the District "took the SM's side". Our leadership had dealt with that troop's leadership before and had an extremely low opinion of them; so our Committee Chairman did not contact that troop. And we weren't big fans of the District either, but he did contact them to make sure at the very least that this man had, indeed, been an adult leader on file. Upon hearing his name, the lady at the District office curtly explained that she could not discuss him or anything about him. That made no sense to our CC.

The man was not at the next week's meeting. A few days later he was in the newspaper as having been arrested for abusing boys - I think it may have involved scouts in the troop he belonged to, but I can't be completely certain. In any case, the organizational leadership did not warn us about him when we asked, even though now it's fairly obvious they knew about what he had done.

Oh, certainly, the BSA WILL remove any leader that is the subject of any allegation - whether those allegations are fruitful or not. But they will do nothing else.

Did I mention, by the way, that at the aforementioned abuse prevention and detection training, you are instructed that if a scout comes to you with an allegation involving another scout or an adult leader, you are NOT to call the police under any circumstance, but are to instead call the District liason "on the next business day", and let the District deal with the situation?

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#244607 - 08/14/08 09:57 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: melliferal]
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Originally Posted By: melliferal

Did I mention, by the way, that at the aforementioned abuse prevention and detection training, you are instructed that if a scout comes to you with an allegation involving another scout or an adult leader, you are NOT to call the police under any circumstance, but are to instead call the District liason "on the next business day", and let the District deal with the situation?


Screw that. I'm going right to the boy's parents, and if they don't take proper actions, the next stop is social services.

Thanks for the post. It was very enlightening.

Bryan

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#244613 - 08/14/08 10:24 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: BJK]
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Trusting them with 2 deep lay-us-on and not notifying the police sounds like too much to believe.

It is probably illegal NOT to notify the police in cases of abuse.

Puffer

one of the dictionary definitions of liaison = An adulterous relationship; an affair.





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#244621 - 08/14/08 10:47 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: melliferal]
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Originally Posted By: melliferal

Did I mention, by the way, that at the aforementioned abuse prevention and detection training, you are instructed that if a scout comes to you with an allegation involving another scout or an adult leader, you are NOT to call the police under any circumstance, but are to instead call the District liason "on the next business day", and let the District deal with the situation?


To NOT call the police upon receiving a report of abuse is a criminal act of negligence and possible obstruction in many/most states.

Rules such as these are in NO WAY enforceable or even legal. They are hoping you will observe the rule so that they can then obstruct and witness-tamper.

BTW: Universities and Colleges are infamous for this type of shielding. On-campus crime must peirce a well built wall of such obstruction before it gets to any real law enforcement. One main role for Campus Security is to maintain the wall of secrecy. I was witness to this first-hand at my Grad-school Univ.

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#244823 - 08/15/08 06:25 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: BJK]
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Man, I could post all night on this thread!!!!

Originally Posted By: BJK
Holy shit... 5,100 scoutmasters dismissed due to abuse allegations in the last 60 years? That's 85 abusers per year, and if we conservatively estimate a dozen abused boys per abuser (and I suspect the number is much higher, though no one can give a concrete statistic), that's over 1,000 boys per year.

And these are just the ones who have been caught.

I can tell you, Bryan, that my friend and I know of at least 6 other boys that we can say with almost certainty were abused by the same man who abused us. That's 8 out of a troop of maybe 30-40 boys who attended more or less regularly. There were others, sure, but we were less certain about them. By "certain", I mean stuff like this: "Why not? It's the same thing we do with Mr. ******. I saw you at his house."

Of the 8 of us, one committed suicide in juvey and another ODed awhile back.

I checked on the number of victims a perp might have, and in the stuff I read it was stated that among abusers who abuse boys outside the family circle, the average number of victims is 150.

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Larry

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#244825 - 08/15/08 06:29 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: melliferal]
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Originally Posted By: melliferal
Did I mention, by the way, that at the aforementioned abuse prevention and detection training, you are instructed that if a scout comes to you with an allegation involving another scout or an adult leader, you are NOT to call the police under any circumstance, but are to instead call the District liason "on the next business day", and let the District deal with the situation?

I wonder how old those materials are, because failure to report the abuse of a child would be an actionable offense under the mandatory reporting laws of all states now. It would be stunning if the BSA were advising its local leaders to break the law.

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#244826 - 08/15/08 06:39 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: roadrunner]
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I was also abused in Scouts,It was my patrol leader, he fouced me to have oral sex with him. There were other boys to. The scout master also abused some of the orher boys in the gruop. The cout master was arested and served time. They never about me and the others boys in our gruop. I hated him and was glade he got caught.


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#244828 - 08/15/08 06:58 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: lost child]
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ok, much is stacked against the BSA. However, I am a scoutmaster of a troop of about 20-30, and we are very careful to make sure that none of this is ever alleged... we take the high road. Not all troops have a problem with this. Hats off to the others that are doing a great job.

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#244854 - 08/15/08 08:47 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: conflicted]
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Rob and Larry, I hear what you're saying - but that's the way it was. The specific instructions were, to notify the District liason, who would notify police (or so it was claimed). You were also told specifically never to talk about the allegations with anyone, at all, period, except for the District liason, and the rep from childrens' services IF any contacted you and asked about those specific allegations. Notice the kid's parents are conspicuously missing from that list.

We were told that to tell ANYONE else about the allegations would render us personally vulnerable to a defamation suit by the perp, should the allegations not be pursued.

As far as I know Larry, mandatory reporting applies only to medical care workers, educators, and government employees. Volunteer youth group leaders aren't included, and I don't think are protected under the "reporting in good faith" provisions that the above-listed people are. All we're considered to be doing is spreading heresay - which, again, is actionable if the victim later decides to clam up.

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#244856 - 08/15/08 09:14 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: pufferfish]
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Quote:
In fact, since its founding in 1910, the Boy Scouts of America has kept files on volunteers it considers to be unfit, including sexual abusers, criminals and homosexuals. The organization has periodically purged the files, according to depositions in other cases.

As early as 1935, the organization had files on about 1,000 so-called degenerates. The Stewarts' attorneys counted 732 files from 1946 to 1971.

I see two things to comment on here. The first is lumping gays together with abusers and criminals. The BSA obviously still has a long way to go on this one.

But on the issue of files I can imagine what a nightmare this must be for records back into the 60s, 70s and 80s, before everything was routinely computerized with standardized ways of searching for information. It would have been practically impossible, for example, to match up records from different councils and states to detect if a pedophile was simply jumping from one Troop to another. And once you find something that looks like a match, how would you determine whether "John Smith", "J.T. Smith", and "Jonathan T. Smith" were all identical to known abuser "Jonathan Smith"? Most councils were and are run by a skeleton staff of volunteers who had no training or time for doing sophisticated comparisons or checking.

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#244857 - 08/15/08 09:17 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: melliferal]
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Originally Posted By: melliferal
We were told that to tell ANYONE else about the allegations would render us personally vulnerable to a defamation suit by the perp, should the allegations not be pursued.

As far as I know Larry, mandatory reporting applies only to medical care workers, educators, and government employees. Volunteer youth group leaders aren't included, and I don't think are protected under the "reporting in good faith" provisions that the above-listed people are. All we're considered to be doing is spreading heresay - which, again, is actionable if the victim later decides to clam up.

Yes, I see what you mean now. I had forgotten the point about volunteers working with non-profit organizations. Thanks for the heads-up!

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#244865 - 08/15/08 10:04 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: roadrunner]
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I checked on the number of victims a perp might have, and in the stuff I read it was stated that among abusers who abuse boys outside the family circle, the average number of victims is 150.


I've heard you cite that 150 number before, Larry, but that seems extremely high to me for two reasons. First off, I pay close attention to child abuse cases on the news, and I rarely hear of anyone who has committed that many offenses. Second, if the average number is 150, then it seems to me that abusers would run out of children to abuse at some point. Five thousand alleged abusers times 150 boys each equals a mind numbing, absolutely staggering three quarters of a million victims.

Of course, I am willing to submit that the extreme here, someone who has abused thousands of boys, might bring that average up quite considerably, but at the same time, it must be submitted that such an average is only based on estimates. It's kind of like the number that says 1 in 6 boys are abused, only that number is more believable because so many people in society show the characteristics of being abused.

Bryan

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#244881 - 08/16/08 12:44 AM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: BJK]
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Brian,

I'm not trying to apply a corrective to you.

Suppose it's only 10 victims per perp.

That's 10 devastated lives. Lifelong damage.

Puffer


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#244928 - 08/16/08 08:40 AM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: pufferfish]
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And after the Boy Scouts were tired of someone, there were always plenty of unsuspecting summer camps, church schools, and lifeguard jobs to chose from. In the days before credit and employment verification reporting, there wasn't a lot of checking someone's references, which oftentimes were falsified rather easily. So really some of these abusers could have been fairly prolific over time. And remember, back in the 1950s through the early-1980s, this was an almost unreported problem with with almost no available professional help to resolve it.

Just my thoughts,

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#244933 - 08/16/08 09:20 AM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: Trucker51]
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Bryan,

Hey, I hear you loud and clear and yes, the implication is that there are vast numbers of abused boys "out there". But we know that anyway, don't we? If 1 in 5-6 boys is abused before he reaches the age of 18, that means millions just in the USA alone.

The study that came up with that figure of 150 is G. Abel et al. in the Journal of Interpersonal Violence 2 (1987), pages 3-25. There's also a brief summary in Josef Spiegel, Sexual Abuse of Males: the SAM Model of Theory and Practice (New York: Brunner-Routledge, 2003), page 28. Abel and his colleagues found that 153 abusers abusing outside their family circle had committed 43,100 acts against 22,981 boys.

Details like this can be known because abusers very often keep records on their computers - a self-tribute to how powerful they are. They record the boys' names, personal details, sexual de>
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#244936 - 08/16/08 09:32 AM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: Trucker51]
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Originally Posted By: Trucker51
And remember, back in the 1950s through the early-1980s, this was an almost unreported problem with with almost no available professional help to resolve it.


I remember seeing a film recently on the internet; it was an uploaded old '50s educational film called "Boys Beware", in which a police officer offered example cases of how "homosexuals" like to lure boys, and how to avoid them. The big row at the time I saw the film was the implication that "homosexual" was equivalent to "child molester". Well, it IS something of a no-brainer that in the '50s, the terms were considered synonymous. But if you're able to set that aside for a moment, the film DOES describe the grooming process rather accurately.

But there was one thing that confused me about the film; the first case study, in which a boy is groomed, and it is implied that he is sexually abused, ends when the boy "finally" tells a teacher about the situation. The scene shows the boy walking shamefully out of the police station with his parents; according to the narrative, the perp was arrested...and the boy was given "probation" and "released to his parents". I know the mindset was different back then, but this one threw me for a loop. A male victim who came forward about abuse was subject to being charged and sentenced to probation? For being abused? Wtf?

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#244948 - 08/16/08 10:08 AM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: melliferal]
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I've seen that film, Mel. It was very disturbing. Jimmy accepts a ride home from a stranger after basketball practice. Before he knows it, Jimmy and this stranger are good friends. Soon, this friend is asking Jimmy to do things he doesn't want to do....

Anyway, in no way am I trying to minimize the implications of abuse. I agree...even ten victims per abuser is a LOT.

Larry, I did write a thesis about a year ago that was never printed about child abuse arrest cases. I don't have the thesis handy, and I'm too lazy to do redundant work, but my findings throughout several studies were that the number of arrests in abuse cases is actually much higher than 3.3.%. However, the important number is how many convictions result from those arrests, and that number was less than 10%. Keep in mind...this is a percentage of a percentage, meaning that less than 1% of all abusers are ever convicted of any crime.

What I'd really like to know, though, is how many abused boys, girls, men, and women actually end up getting help for their abuse. To me, that is the most important statistic, because those who are abused without getting help are the most likely to perpetuate that abuse.

Bryan



Edited by BJK (08/16/08 10:09 AM)
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#245044 - 08/16/08 03:50 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: melliferal]
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Cleveland, eh?

I lived there for 10 years between 1977 and 1991. My first attempt at recovery in 1986-1988 was through Cleveland State and my first group was at the old downtown YMCA which I believe was at East 22nd and Prospect. There was a counselor there named Courtney Pullen from whom I still have some cassette tapes somewhere. But Cleveland is also where it went so wrong after my first wife left me in the recession of 1990. Back then the group was was only a few years old, and Mr. Pullen told of how difficult it was to find help 5 or 10 years earlier. I was really insecure and immature back then and never really became a secure and contributing member of that first group. But that is where the initial groundwork for my later recovery was laid. Most of my abuse occurred when I grew-up around suburban Detroit.

It would have been nice to see that film back in the 1960s, but the kid's arrest would most likely have frightened me off even worse. My first abuse incidents were in 1962 or 1963 when we lived in South Burlington, VT. My parents were whacked on a cult faith-healing religion, and they filed a religious exemption to keep me out of sex-ed back in 1969, by which time a lot of damage had already been done in my case. The most likely place that this problem might have been addressed would have been in sex-ed at the age of 12, and the knowledge lost might have either prevented or made me more aware of a number of incidents that happened over the next two years at that point. I still don't think that having that knowledge myself would have changed my mother's violent reaction to my accusations against her church friends in the Summer of 1972 though.

Bryan: To answer your one question, two out of three of the afflicted children in my family sought professional help, while the other leads a productive but curiously withdrawn and isolated life. And in another family with a long abuse history that I know of, only one out of three from that family have made it out of the woods almost 35 years later, while the other two languish in prison. One of my best friends is still struggling with the ongoing effects of a physically-abusive childhood, has been in therapy off and on for a dozen years, and has now been clean off of a lifelong drug habit for a whole 13 months. He is the only one of four in his family who has sought therapy, and two of the three others live obviously withdrawn and less-productive lives filled with various symptoms. So just in my experience, 4 out of 10 have sought professional help, though in two out of three cases, these families had the available funds to afford private help. My guess that the percentage would drop with the available income level.

Again, just my thoughts,

Mark

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#245087 - 08/16/08 08:45 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: BJK]
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Bryan,

Originally Posted By: BJK
Larry, I did write a thesis about a year ago that was never printed about child abuse arrest cases. I don't have the thesis handy, and I'm too lazy to do redundant work, but my findings throughout several studies were that the number of arrests in abuse cases is actually much higher than 3.3.%. However, the important number is how many convictions result from those arrests, and that number was less than 10%. Keep in mind...this is a percentage of a percentage, meaning that less than 1% of all abusers are ever convicted of any crime.

Yes, the interpretation of statistics in areas like this is a minefield, and the impression one receives often depends on what questions are being asked.

I'm not surprised that the arrest rate is much higher than 3.3% now. The Abel study is over 20 years old, but I just haven't seen more recent work. It's great you did some thesis work on this and I hope you will publish your results.

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Larry

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#245101 - 08/16/08 09:55 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: roadrunner]
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Well, I tried to get an article version of that thesis pusblished in our local newspaper, a newspaper that regularly publishes editorials that I have written. Their response was that the topic matter was too controversial and too far fetched to be believed even though it was well cited. This was about nine months ago.

Bryan

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#251315 - 09/26/08 08:43 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: BJK]
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Boy Scouts Lawsuit Opens Secret Files

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/08/28/eveningnews/main3213145.shtml

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=3214975n

"The first time I was molested was at the age of either six or seven," Stewart told CBS News Correspondent Sandra Hughes. "I was molested all the way up until I was 18 years old."

Stewart and his brother Tom were sexually abused by their assistant Scout master.

"The nightmares are still very real, even 25 to 30 years later," Matt said.

Former troop leader Bruce Phelps admitted under oath to having sexual contact with one and then the other.

Allen

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#251317 - 09/26/08 08:48 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: pufferfish]
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#251471 - 09/27/08 03:53 PM Re: Boy Scouts and CSA [Re: M3]
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Allen,

Thanks for posting these stories, which I had not seen. But it's a good idea to remember that in many cases the abuse was covered up right at the local level and never got into the BSA central files. We will never know how many boys were harmed - just that it's many more than are recorded in those files.

Much love,
Larry

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