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#244002 - 08/11/08 11:45 PM Thoughts on Olympics
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I am enjoying watching the 2008 Olympics.

I have never been very atheletic. I was given the boot from the football team when I was 13.

I had some pangs of distress as I see some of the tremendous winners. I have to deal with my own thoughts: I never had a chance. What could I have done if I had received some encouragement and training?

How do others react to what's going on with the Olympics?

Puffer



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#244012 - 08/12/08 01:01 AM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: pufferfish]
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At one time I was really good at both snow and water skiing. If I had the right coaching and an unlimited pocketbook, and hadn't been abused, neglected, and strung-out, I might have been the right stuff to compete in Giant Slalom or Super-G. (I even could have been a classical concert pianist). My main claim to athletic fame was the junior slalom championship on the lake that I grew-up on the summer of 1975, when I made all six buoys with the rope 15 feet off. My closest competitor, a close friend, bought it on the 5th buoy on his run. And back in 1976 & 1977 I won tournaments in professional foosball, and was still rated on the Tour as late as 1983.

Now that I am old enough for the Senior Tour, I am lucky to shoot under 95-100 for 18 holes, though I just tied my best round ever last summer with a score of 86, and shot an 87 round too.

Is hanging-out by the pool at the hotel in Las Vegas an Olympic sport yet?

Keep dreaming, you say?

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#244013 - 08/12/08 01:04 AM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: pufferfish]
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Puffer,

You and I have a similar history when it comes to sports. My first grade teacher ridiculed me on the playground in front of all the other kids because I couldn't hit the ball with the bat.

I've always loved the Olympics. I love the diving and gymnastic competitions the best I think. For the winter sports I've always followed the figure skating and ski jumping. Lately they added the snowboarding events which I really like.

It used to be that when I watched the competitions I felt bad that I was never good at anything sporty. I've lately discovered that I had more ability than I thought, which angers me in one sense, but also makes me feel really good about myself as well.

Whatever the case the wife and I are watching everything we possibly have time to watch and are thoroughly enjoying the events.

I hope you are able to process some of this while watching this years Olympics.

Lots of love,

John

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#244033 - 08/12/08 07:45 AM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: pufferfish]
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when i was young they 'made' me become part of a little league baseball team. i was terrifed. i also got hit in the face with a baseball. i just wanted to be left alone, but that was one of the rites of passage for boys in my neighborhood.

when i was in the scouts, we would often go to the local high school for swim meets, and people said i swam like a fish. i just liked to swim.

one time i got hit in the nutz with a football, and another time i fell onto the crossbar on my bike. you wouldn't dare be seen riding a girls bike. shouldn't bike's have been made the other way around, with a crossbar on girls' and none on boys'?

i used to love to do cartwheels and backflips but then one day i landed funny on my right hand and was never able to do them ever again.

in high school gym, we had to run around the track......i hated that!

i used to live in trees when i was young.

that's the extent of my experience with athletic stuff. while i marvel at the skill and form and spirit of the athlete, clearly my thread in the fabric of life was to be a musical one.


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#244074 - 08/12/08 12:39 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: Sans Logos]
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My thoughts on the Olympics is that I want to go there, and I hope to make it to there in two years. With not even any chance to win any medal, to just be able to make it to there, would be a great victory over what have happen earlier in childhood. There is something very much like a 'see, I'm not so bad as you tell me I am' about that. And I dare to say it, I would really assume that there is a part of those Olympic athletes who have similar histories to many of us here. There is something very secure and safe in training a sport for some people, and it is a source of 'control' to some, and I can imagine an abused person who seek the discipline and routine of training a sport, rather then to have even more of life out of control.

(My other thoughts on Olympics right now: Kerri Walsh is sexy!! And cheering for Anna Pavlova in women's gymnastics!)

Andrei


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#244095 - 08/12/08 02:14 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: ak]
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I am always amazed by the athletes that compete in the Olympics

the conditioning of their bodies that has to be done to get to the skill level that they are at (no matter what sport or event they are in) is incredible

I was never an Olympic level athlete in anything... (though I never had the encouragment and training that is needed to be at that level)

I am a very good swimmer though - always have been - fish out of water - lol

I did gymanastics all the way through high school - and was pretty darn good at the rings and the high bar (I had zero encouragement from my folks in this sport)

I was also on a local speed skating team (roller skates - not ice skates) untill I joined the military (I trully believe that if I'd have had some encouragement I could have won medals)


Now - I just love to watch these athletes compete - so happy to do what they love to do

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#244105 - 08/12/08 02:43 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: ak]
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I was neither here nor there as a kid, athletically; i liked riding bikes, swimming, and pickup games of basketball well enough, but never excelled or took any of it seriously. My one period of sports-lust was informal after-school tackle football in eighth grade (age 13).

No pads, helmets, adult supervision, etc. Teams would usually be around 5 on 5, and the guys found out i was evil on defense, especially as linebacker/safety. I always could read where the ball was going to go, was very hard to block, and made sure a tackle meant something. I remember one day going out for a pass, and the kid covering me was pretty fast and a little taller, stayed in front of me the whole time. The dingbat QB decided i was open anyway, and the back of the kid covering me's head ended up mashing my upper lip against a front tooth in a way that sliced the lip neatly, to the point of having stuff hanging out- i didn't think it was that bad, i'm telling the other kids "I'll be fine, it's just a cut, some ice for a while and no sweat" while they're getting visibly paler looking at my lip, saying "Go home, you're gonna need stitches, dude!" Needless to say, they were right, and to this day I still have this extra lump on the inside of my lip. After 8th grade, i was far more interested in things like partying to worry about sports of any kind.

As far as the Olympics? It can be fun to keep track of certain events, or watch truly spectacular performances, but all the doping scandals, gossipy drama-mongering, and the fact the Olympics were originally designated "amateur-only" as a surreptitous way of keeping the "riff-raff" or lower class (who could not afford the costs involved with gear, location, or proper training w/o a sponsor) out of the picture, combined to make me less and less fascinated with Olympics-related activity as a whole over the years.

Too bad it's not the only possible recourse for settling international disputes, though.
Let's replace all war with chess boxing matches! (I'm not making the chess boxing part up; go ahead, google it!)
...Well, i think that's enough dgoods-flavored nonsense for this thread. Carry on.

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#244130 - 08/12/08 04:56 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: dgoods]
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Dude...if skateboard/surfing was apart of the olympic's I'd be trying to get in. That'd be awesome if they were!

Phelps=A beast. The guys a freak and built for swimming. It's awesome.


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#244238 - 08/13/08 08:42 AM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: Nyjah]
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i havent read all the responses here so i will just jump right in and go against most opinions

the olympics are and always have been a political thing, sure perhaps further back we can call it a power thing but really its political

Olympics can be good, humanitarian things sometimes get sorted out, sure, helps to bring the worlds attention to parts of the world that preferred to be ignored, Hitler stopped killing everybody because he wanted to hold the olympics

Of course there are countries that kill their athletes for losing, or train them and threaten to pull their houses down if they don't win

The olympics severly get on my nerves at the moment, i havent got many tv channels, all that is ever on is people swimming! on like every channel for the last week, i don't want to watch people swim!

also it gets on my nerves because sure athletes train hard, but they are just athletes, i mean, how about pointing a camera at the people doing all the valuable work in the world and giving them medals

i'm not sure quite why world governments consider this show, economics perhaps, but then countries actually lose money for holding the olympics these days, maybe it is the "i am better than you" bullshit that countries like to do, a cold war in sports, but one thing i see through is this lets all have fun and play sports together, that's bullshit put out there to make the general public blind

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#244340 - 08/13/08 06:52 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: king tut]
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I admire the dedication and discipline. I've competed in the Ironman Triathlon, many marathons and ultra-marathons, road races of all distances and can appreciate those athletes. They have my undying respect, for not only do they have to be athletes, they must ance to politics.

Michael Phelps - a swimming machine
Kerri Walsh - WOW!

oriolesguy


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#244376 - 08/13/08 09:09 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: oriolesguy]
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I look forward to the Olympics but get tired of all the hype. My favorites in the summer games are the gymnastics events. I could sit and watch that just mesmerized all day.

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#244470 - 08/14/08 10:12 AM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: roadrunner]
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The Olympics, for me, are a source of primetime soft-core porn.

Michael Phelps makes me swoon!

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#244533 - 08/14/08 02:54 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: VLinvictus]
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i just don't understand why the olympics are so interesting, i'd rather watch something else, they should have a physics olympics, now that would be interesting!

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#244574 - 08/14/08 05:58 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: king tut]
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I guess most people find them interesting either for nationalism reasons, or because they are fascinated watching people doing things that they themself are incapable of. Do you find any sport interesting at all?

andrei


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#244614 - 08/14/08 10:28 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: oriolesguy]
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Originally Posted By: oriolesguy
They have my undying respect

Michael Phelps - a swimming machine
Kerri Walsh - WOW!


Yes - - Phelps was made to swim.

Do we all have something that we must do because that's what we're made for?

Puffer


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#244619 - 08/14/08 10:39 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: oriolesguy]
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I have one thing to say about the olympics........Micheal Phelps is a friggin animal and a machine.......no one and i mean NO ONE will beat him.nor will they even come close to challenging him tonight in the finals........he will be the WINNGIST OLYMPIC ATHLETE EVER....


PERIOD.....i love watching this guy...he's so composed and focused ....

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#244629 - 08/15/08 12:04 AM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: thecoopstah]
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I like watching the gymnastics. It just amazes me the precision with which they can fling their bodies around on the bars. It's like watching beautiful music in motion.

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#244693 - 08/15/08 11:32 AM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: EGL]
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There is something truly beautiful when I watch a human being, just a regular guy or girl who has worked and trained their body to perform at the absolute best it can be. Each muscle knows how far it can stretch, every step is sure, every stroke is perfectly timed.

These athletes made it to the Olympics-the absolute highest stage for competition. They will be known as Olympians forever. Everyone who competes at that level is astonishing to me, except maybe in badminton and curling - I don't quite get those.

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#245194 - 08/17/08 02:33 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: ak]
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Originally Posted By: ak
I guess most people find them interesting either for nationalism reasons, or because they are fascinated watching people doing things that they themself are incapable of. Do you find any sport interesting at all?

andrei


Sorry i havent replied earlier, i thought lots about your comment, and i understand now, it is like when i watch people play musical instruments i am completely amazed and i really like watching them play, that must be what you feel for sports.

I thought further, i think it is also because i sometimes think that if i really wanted to and really put my mind and heart into it, that i could do some of the things that these "olympians" do. I see it very much as a matter of choice and am therefore not so much in awe at somthing that i can't do because i see it as something i choose not to do, so instead look at the choice they have made and although the poetic details are admirable it doesn't fill me with any great respect. On the other hand, with musicians and things, i know i could not do that however much i want to, so i get really amazed when i see people playing instruments as if they are a part of their own body, it is just really amazing.

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#245198 - 08/17/08 02:47 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: king tut]
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Originally Posted By: king tut

so i get really amazed when i see people playing instruments as if they are a part of their own body, it is just really amazing.


there you have it king tut! it is a miracle coming somewhere, from infinity, and beyond! as i am playing, i often stand outside myself and say who, what or where is making this all happen in me? the physics of it, the kinesthetics, the synchronism of it all!!! mindboggling!

back to being objective......or subjective, as the case may be...


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#245213 - 08/17/08 04:54 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: Sans Logos]
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I as well LOVE the Olympics.
I did ponder the original question and have to admit it took me back to some things my husband has said over the years. He loves sports, really, truly loves sports. He loved to play basketball and football but only did them in the neighborhood or the Y. He has said he wished that he had more self esteem as a child, he wished he had had some encouragement at some point because his one huge regret was not playing football in school.

He admitted these things to me prior to me knowing about the csa. I knew his mom was a worthless drunk who couldn't see past a bottle of wine, let alone to see what her child needed or what he could have been with the right direction......His abuser was all consuming and so connected to his life and family, I now wonder what amazing things he could have done if he'd have been free of all that held him so firmly down......

These feelings don't seem to stop his love for sports and watching at all...sometimes it drives me mad LOL, but I've learned to love football so I can enjoy it with him instead of pouting in the next room. Seems to help many things. GO SEAHAWKS!!!

\:\)

P.S. He's done some amazing things in spite of it all as well!

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#245215 - 08/17/08 05:10 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: dangal]
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yes, dangal

your thoughts about your husband and sports help to understand what I meant in the original question.

I could/should have focused on things I do well rather than pick on myself in an area where I never shined.

Puffer


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#245241 - 08/17/08 07:11 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: pufferfish]
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I play both baseball and football as a kid.
My father was my coach in baseball and I hated it because my father was all about winning.
Not only did I hear about my mistakes and what I needed to improve on the field but he would bring it home too.
I always felt a tremous pressure to play up to his expections.
This took all the joy out of the game for me.

As for football he just took me to practice and let me play.
I love football to this day!
Go Pats!!!

I love watching the Olympics.
I admire their dedication to their sports.
Similar to the dedication the guys here have to their recovery.

mike

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#245244 - 08/17/08 07:24 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: michael banks]
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Maybe for me, I can really respect the dedication to training those sports these athletes show. I know that it is many years of very hard work, and much of time, there is very little financial support or reward by the time these athletes make it to Olympics. Yes, there will be some in more 'high profile' sports that get some sponsers or such, and of course the several sports where professional athletes play them. But for most the athletes you see at the Olympic games, they have spend many hours a day, for many years, to train at their sport, as well as to go to school, to work, to try to support themself, all because they want that feeling to do what they love and have passion for in the highest elite way possible. It is difficult to explain, for me what it feel like to think such a competition is possible, but I can very much relate to the work, the injury, the sacrifices made to reach that level, as well as the positive of it also.

Andrei


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#245379 - 08/18/08 12:57 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: ak]
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As a former 'elite' athlete, I can say that I regret not having had possibility to go to them myself. When you are at the level that you should be able to make it to there, and miss your opportunity, I think there is always going to be the desire that it could have been different. It is what you have dedicate a large part of your life to, much work, much pain, much re-prioritizing things in your life for many years, and to fall short of that goal, it can be a little sad. For people who think it is all just a 'politics' thing, well, I can say that I am quite sure that 95% of the athletes are certainly not thinking that way. Imagine, as you go through years of school, and then perhaps university, and then perhaps medical school, and you are working very hard at that all of that time, all of those years required. Is the 'graduation' considered something political? Do you think people would be all right to go through all of that, and then 'Oh, now you go on with your life, no, you do not get the final stage, move on'? I just rather trust, from the elite athletes I have competed with and worked with, that the desire to reach their ultimate goal is what is satisfying of making it to the Olympic games. Not thoughts of political statements or such.

For me, I have much respect for all those who are competing there, except for them who have cheated in some way to reach their goal. Because for them, they truly have not reached it, and have perhaps denied it to another person.

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#246453 - 08/25/08 01:07 AM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: VN]
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As the Olympics close, here is a very nice story about two of the athletes.

http://sports.yahoo.com/olympics/beijing...=yhoo&type=lgns

andrei


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#246500 - 08/25/08 02:34 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: ak]
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Encouragement and training can really make a huge difference in life, in terms of success in sport of course, but in other things. However, sometime just the training being available can be enough for some people, who are somehow able to motivate themselves enough to find their own successes and achievements. It would be much nicer for sure for family encouragement, but I have great respect for those strong enough to do it, whether with that or on their own.

(And I'll go on a limb and say I am quite sure there have been Olympians, medalists, and even gold medalists who have histories such as our own. Success and achievement IS possible, whether it is because of the past or in spite of it).

Leosha

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#254324 - 10/10/08 11:53 PM Re: Thoughts on Olympics [Re: Leosha]
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Top Nine Comments from the Games



1. Weightlifting commentator: 'This is Gregorieva from
Bulgaria . I saw her snatch this morning during her warm up and it
was amazing.'

2. Dressage commentator: 'This is really a lovely horse and I
speak from personal experience since I once mounted her mother.'

3. Paul Hamm, Gymnast: 'I owe a lot to my parents, especially
my mother and father.'

4. Boxing Analyst: 'Sure there have been injuries, and even
some deaths in boxing, but none of them really that serious.'

5. Softball announcer: 'If history repeats itself, I should
think we can expect the same thing again.'

6. Basketball analyst: 'He dribbles a lot and the opposition
doesn't like it. In fact you can see it all over their faces.'

7. At the rowing medal ceremony: 'Ah, isn't that nice, the
wife of the IOC president is hugging the cox of the British crew.'

8. Soccer commentator: 'Julian Dicks is everywhere. It's like
they've got eleven Dicks on the field.'

9. Tennis commentator: 'One of the reasons Andy is playing so
well is that, before the final round, his wife takes out his balls
and kisses them... Oh my God, what have I just said?'

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