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#237921 - 07/13/08 04:03 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: Dewey2k]
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I'm against the closing of this forum...there's good uses for it yet... \:\)

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#237923 - 07/13/08 04:05 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: AndyJB2005]
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Again, discussion of faith is good, but using that discussion to marginalize another person's beliefs is not.

And for what it's worth, Rob, I'm interested in hearing the Buddhist perspective as well.



Edited by Dewey2k (07/13/08 04:05 PM)

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#237926 - 07/13/08 04:16 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: Still]
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Originally Posted By: Robbie Brown
I have NO idea what (still) what Buddhism thinks comes after death and what determines the results.


Like any faith, there's differences between sects in Buddhism...but the general belief is that there is no afterlife until you reach enlightenment. You are continually reincarnated until you reach enlightenment, then you are in Nirvana, or the end of suffering, on Earth.

The answer to life after death is not clear, due in large part to the Buddha's aversion to metaphysics and speculation. When he was asked such questions, he merely replied that it was "incomprehensible, indescribable, inconceivable, unutterable."

I guess us Buddhists live in the present and don't really think about what "might be" a lot. *shrug* \:\)

But if I were asked, I'd say personally, I don't know if I believe in the reincarnation cycle. I believe we can be reincarnated, but I believe that it is a choice we make or a choice we choose not to make...and that the afterlife is pure love ...nothing but...

I don't believe in Hell or Heaven, I believe the only Hell after death is seeing the mistakes you've make, the hurt you've caused others and yourself, and how much you missed, etc etc and regretting that, and not being able to go back. I think regret could be worse than flames....

Peace and Love. \:\)

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#237927 - 07/13/08 04:20 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: AndyJB2005]
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I think we learn from everything we see after death though, regrets or not....it's not about punishment, it's just how the universe works...


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#237928 - 07/13/08 04:29 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: AndyJB2005]
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if there's anything after death to see...

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#237929 - 07/13/08 04:36 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: AndyJB2005]
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Oh I forgot to mention Karma...it is what determines if you are reborn or not.

Karma has commonly been considered a punishment for past bad actions, but karma is neither judge nor jury. Rather, it is simply the universal law of cause and effect that says every thought, word and act carries energy into the world and affects our present reality. Karma can also refer to the "work" we have ahead of us, which includes lessons from both our past and present lives.

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#237930 - 07/13/08 04:43 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: MarkK]
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Thank you Andy. I just learned a WHOLE lot in that one inquiry.

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#237937 - 07/13/08 05:49 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: Still]
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I have a friend who works at Wal-Mart. We've been friends for a very long time. I have watched this friend pull himself up from the gutter, from the very brink of survival, to make himself into a respectable human being, and he has watched me do the same.

Before he was hired by Wal-Mart almost a decade ago, he spent the previous ten years jumping from job to job. He worked construction, he worked at convenience stores, and he worked in restaurants. He couldn't hold a job more than a couple of months, but then he cleaned himself up. The next thing we knew, he had passed a drug test and was working full time at Wal-Mart.

At this point, I think it should be noted that I hate Wal-Mart. I have several different reasons for doing so, but for the sake of discussion, let's just focus on the fact that I hold stock in Target and Best Buy.

My friend knows that I hate Wal-Mart, and I am aware that he is a company man who stands by everything Wal-Mart does. However, he is aware that I don't hate him because he works and shops at Wal-Mart every chance he gets. I don't hate him because he is, for all practical purposes, a part of the Wal-Mart organization. Furthermore, I haven't made a single generalization about him because of his status as a Wal-Mart employee and customer.

I think it's pretty dang important to understand this differentiation when talking about organizations as opposed to people who belong to those organizations.

Bryan

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#237940 - 07/13/08 06:08 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: Still]
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Originally Posted By: Robbie Brown

I sincerely hope i did not write anything that falls under spiritual abuse.


In my eyes, you haven't, Rob. And also, please try to remember my definition of what the term "Christian" means to me:

"A Christian is a person who tries to follow the teachings of Christ even if that means breaking the rules of authority inherent in the denomination he or she chooses to belong to."

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#237944 - 07/13/08 06:42 PM Re: Resource Guides? [Re: BJK]
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Yes Bryan you make a very important point.

I'm glad you don't hate the people even if you don't like the organization. I respect the distinction you make. If anything, I have empathy for Wal Mart workers - they very often have a hard time of it. I'm hoping part of your feelings about Wal Mart are 'about' the workers and how they're treated.

I promise you, and anyone reading this thread, the moment they make one Christianity with uniformly held dictates and symbology for all Christians to follow, I'll promise, here and now, to disavow Christianity and if I fail to keep that promise, I will pose for MS readers buck naked, save for wearing a Sombrero, a cheap suit jacket and high heels (a sexy red, and shiny), so all may mock me and toss at me various rotted legumes. I will also wash TestingWaters car and pay for the wax.

They, Christian sects, are as varied as the varieties of Buddhism, like the colors of the rainbow, the varieties of peoples in a store, and the pebbles along the shore of the sea.

Just my not so poetic take of your metaphor. Thanks for the post.



Edited by hogan_dawg (07/13/08 06:47 PM)
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