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#233892 - 06/26/08 08:16 PM The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form
MarkK Offline
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This is in two parts, the prayer ( in black type ) and
GOD ( in red type ) in response.


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Our Father
Who Art In Heaven.

Yes?

Don't interrupt me. I'm praying.

But -- you called ME!

Called you?
No! , I didn't call you.
I'm praying.
Our Father who art in Heaven.

There -- you did it again!

Did what?

Called ME.
You said,
"Our Father who art in Heaven"
Well, here I am.
What's on your mind?


But I didn't mean anything by it.
I was, you know, just saying my prayers for the day.
I always say the Lord's Prayer.
It makes me feel good,
kind of like fulfilling a duty.

Well, all right.
Go on.


Okay, Hallowed be thy name .

Hold it right there.
What do you mean by that?


By what?

By "Hallowed be thy name?"

It means, it means . . good grief,
I don't know what it means.
How in the world should I know?
It's just a part of the prayer.
By the way, what does it mean?

It means honored, holy, wonderful.

Hey, that makes sense.
I never thought about what 'hallowed' meant before.
Thanks.
Thy Kingdom come,
Thy will be done,
on earth as it is in Heaven.

Do you really mean that?

Sure, why not?

What are you doing about it?

Doing? Why, nothing, I guess.
I just think it would be kind of neat if you got control,
of everything down here like you have up there.
We're kinda in a mess down here you know.

Yes, I know;
but, have I got control of you?


Well, I go to church.

That isn't what I asked you.
What about your bad temper?
You've really got a problem there, you know.
And then there's the way you spend your money --
all on yourself.
And what about the kind of books you read?


Now hold on just! a minute!
Stop picking on me!
I'm just as good as some of the rest of those people at church!

Excuse ME.
I thought you were praying
for my will to be done.
If that is to happen,
it will have to start with the ones
who are praying for it.
Like you -- for example.


Oh, all right. I guess I do have some hang-ups.
Now that you mention it, I could probably name some others.

So could I

I haven't thought about it very much until now,
but I really would like to cut out some of those things.
I would like to, you know, be really free.

Good.
Now we're getting somewhere. We'll work together -- You and ME.
I'm proud of You.


Look, Lord, if you don't mind,
I need to finish up here.
This is taking a lot longer than it us usually does.
Give us this day, our daily bread.

You need to cut out the bread.
You're overweight as it is.


Hey, wait a minute! What is this?
Here I was doing my religious duty,
and all of a sudden you break in
and remind me of all my hang-ups.

Praying is a dangerous thing.
You just might get what you ask for.
Remember,
you called ME -- and here I am.
It's too late to stop now.
Keep praying. ( . . pause . )
Well, go on.


I'm scared to.

Scared? Of what?

I know what you'll say.

Try ME.

Forgive us our sins, as we forgive those who sin against us.

What about Tillie?

See? I knew it!
I knew you would bring her up!
Why, Lord, she's told lies about me, spread stories.
She never paid back the money she owes me.
I've sworn to get even with her!

But -- your prayer --
What about your prayer?


I didn't -- mean it.

Well, at least you're honest
But, it's quite a load carrying around all that bitterness
and resentment isn't it?


Yes, but I'll feel better as soon as I get even with her.
Boy, have I got some plans for her.
She'll wish she had never been born.

No, you won't feel any better.
You'll feel worse.
Revenge isn't sweet.
You know how unhappy you are --
Well, I can change that.


You can? How?

Forgive Tillie.
Then, I'll forgive you;
And the hate and the sin,
will be Tillie's problem -- not yours.
You will have settled the problem
as far as you are concerned.


Oh, you know, you're right.
You always are.
And more than I want revenge,
I want to be right with You . . (sigh).
All right all right . ..
I forgive her.

There now!
Wonderful!
How do you feel?


Hmmmm. Well, not bad. Not bad at all!
In fact, I feel pretty great!
You know, I don't think I'll go to bed uptight tonight.
I haven't been getting much rest, you know.

Yeah, I know.
But, you're not through with your prayer are you? Go on.


Oh, all right.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

Good! Good! I'll do that.
Just don't put yourself in a place
where you can be tempted.


What do you mean by that?

You know what I mean.

Yeah. I know.

Okay!
Go ahead. Finish your prayer


For Thine is the kingdom,
and the power,
and the glory forever.
Amen.

Do you know what would bring me glory --
What would really make me happy?


No, but I'd like to know.
I want to please you now.
I've really made a mess of things.
I want to truly follow you.
I can see now how great that would be.

So, tell me . . .
How do I make you happy?

You just did.



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#233912 - 06/26/08 09:06 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: MarkK]
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Wonderful, Mark! Thought provoking and and entertaining to boot!

Thanks
Dan

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#234098 - 06/27/08 02:20 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: dannym]
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Thanx, Dan. Wish I could take credit for it - but I found it - just had to share it though - I thought it gave a nice light-hearted view of God the Father instead of the one we see so often with him holding lightning bolts in his hands..

.. or is that Zeus?


M


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#234105 - 06/27/08 02:52 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: MarkK]
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Brought tears to my eyes, Mark. That was great.

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#234120 - 06/27/08 04:38 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: FormerTexan]
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"awesome" Mark

Thanks for sharing

Ken

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#234123 - 06/27/08 05:18 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: MarkK]
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hi mark thanks for the post. i must be honest; this triggers me. it makes me remember the condemnation that i used to live under when i made myself, as a 'born again christian', subservient to the ideas contained in the fundamentalist approach to christianity.

i only subscribed to those, because i did not know any better at the time, and it was the best solution possible for then. i wanted to be good at all costs, and i was willing to do whatever it took to feel okay. along those lines, i fell into the rank and file of all the saints who were hell bent on marching in to the kingdom. ahhh, the romanticized version complete with cecil b. demille score blaring in the background. i wanted desperately to be among that number when the saints went marching in.

since i've gained greater insight into god's will for me, in no longer fear the 'foot of god' ready to descend on me at any moment. that's the feeling that this particular post elicits from me.

today i do not believe god is a big know it all 'up there' waiting to catch me going wrong; but rather he walks beside me arm in arm. the god of my understanding would never talk 'down' to me as depicted in this post's imagery of him. i am not offended; i just can't relate.

someone who professes to be 'christian' said in another post that 'god is not down here with us'. that boggles my mind, and makes me want to remind them that emmanuel means 'god with us'. i am not a bible thumper by any stretch of the imagination, but emmanuel is the only solution i have heard that makes sense, and so i live my life according it. i have fired the god 'up there' and he has shown his gratitude to me for that, by being present to me in each and every moment, each and every breath. it is the only way i stay sane, knowing that i don't have to do a thing to earn his care and support.

this post has value for me because it affords me the opportunity to validate my own perspective as it pertains to my experience of god. it is helpful to be able to share honestly in these forums. i hope my comments are not taken as criticism in any way, but just as an expression of my own experience.

thanks for the opportunity to speak,

ron

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#234126 - 06/27/08 05:36 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: Sans Logos]
MarkK Offline
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One problem always encountered with posts - is the "tone" of the writer (or 'speaker', if you will).

Originally Posted By: Sans Logos
...no longer fear the 'foot of god' ready to descend on me at any moment. that's the feeling that this particular post elicits from me.
...
the god of my understanding would never talk 'down' to me as depicted in this post's imagery of him

When I read it, I "hear" nothing but love and devotion from God in this post. I have no problem with your reply - though I must admit there are several pieces of it I could find extremely offensive, should I choose to put that "tone" on your words. but i think i've learned enough about you so far to know you did not mean the words as an attack - so i don't take them as such.

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder ... there should be a equitable phrase for the written word.

M&m


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#234137 - 06/27/08 07:22 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: MarkK]
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"the god of my understanding would never talk 'down' to me as depicted in this post's imagery of him"

I'm ok with God talking "down" to me, simply because that is the relationship - He is the Father and I am the child. I am not God's equal, nor is anyone else who lives on this planet. I am His creation, as is everyone else.

My favorite part of the post is:

"Now we're getting somewhere. We'll work together -- You and ME.
I'm proud of You."

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#234182 - 06/27/08 09:30 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: FormerTexan]
MarkK Offline
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yeah - I like that one... though it's the end that gets me.

When all is said and done - what is it that makes God happy? When one of His beloved creation truly seeks Him.

M


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#234189 - 06/27/08 09:52 PM Re: The Lord's Prayer ... in discusssion form [Re: MarkK]
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Speaking as a very non-religious person who doesn't know up from down in all of this - that was wonderful. Thank you. It's something to think about.

ROCK ON........Trish

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