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#232545 - 06/22/08 11:37 AM I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!!
Hauser Offline
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http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2008/06/20/pkg.meserve.no.id.cnn

This, to me, is a real American, and a TRUE patriot. This man refuses to show his ID (his papers) when traveling. I truly admire this young man.

So why am I refusing to fly (in the U.S.) ever again? The TSA, (the TSA is another sycophant bureaucratic agency and part of the Dept of Fatherland, oops, I meant HOMELAND Security) has just announced that travelers who willingly refuse to identify themselves with (government-issued) identification, will no longer be able to fly in America.

I don't feel one bit sorry for those struggling airlines now.

I can just here all the nay-sayers already, lol.

"But Hauser, we HAVE to take away freedoms, how ELSE are we going to protect freedoms unless we take them away?" LOL!!!


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#232581 - 06/22/08 03:04 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Hauser]
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Pretty soon the technology will exist to quickly scan your fingerprints or maybe do a retinal scan, and then we won't even need ID anymore. Probably won't even have to carry a wallet, as everything that they will have to know will all be on the computer screen.

I like Frontier, even though they are teetering on the edge. And a guy that I grew-up with was a NW A-320 captain out of Detroit. Now he is a Delta captain. Sun Country's old 727s used to be a lot of fun too cause the seats were a lot bigger. And it sure beats Amtrac or the Dog. I still get this vision everytime that I see one of their buses. It is like the old Dawg Pound in Cleveland, with the dog bones flying and everyone barking up a storm. Except it is on the bus while they are going down the highway.

Woof, woof, woof, woof, go dog, go.

Mark

Go, big bald guy, go.

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#232589 - 06/22/08 04:29 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Trucker51]
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It will not belong until our inept,incompotent neo nazi new labour party over here in the UK adopt this. I wonder if they have given a thought to all those who died in both world wars to free people from the same things they are implementing.

The UK and US goverenments should be ashamed of themselves.

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#232593 - 06/22/08 05:03 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: duncanUK]
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i don't know what the airlines have to do with the TSA regulations - but ok....

as for me - if i want to work - i fly
regardless of the panic or the blacking out or all the fun stuff

i look at it this way
at least the US isn't using the new body scanners that see thru your clothing.

yet

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#232606 - 06/22/08 06:03 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: MarkK]
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10 airports install body scanners
Devices can peer under passengers' clothes
By Thomas Frank
USA TODAY
http://www.usatoday.com/printedition/news/20080606/a_bodyscan06.art.htm

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I don't know about you guys, but when I was a kid, these guys were called perverts and peeping-toms. Now, they're uniformed "Public Servants". God knows what's gonna happen if one of these machines malfunction! We'll probably be told to strip naked (you think I'm joking?) We might as well, right? After all, we're innocent, we have nothing to hide, right?






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#232609 - 06/22/08 06:10 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Hauser]
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ah
tomorrow got here early
: shrug :

you can still opt for that pat-down


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#232617 - 06/22/08 08:38 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: MarkK]
Still Offline
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Hauser!!!

What are you thinking man?!?!? You just challenged and questioned Fatherland Security on the public side of this site?
Be careful dude!

Oh...and "when you dissapear after your tax audit"... can I have your collection of WW2 books?

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#232619 - 06/22/08 08:49 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Still]
youthfulheart62 Offline
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no one can take your freedom of thought..you might have to pay dearly for it.Thomas Jefferson said, if you sacifice freedom for security you deserve neither.


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#232622 - 06/22/08 09:05 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: youthfulheart62]
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Ugh. I hate flying but I love going new places. I usually convince my dad to let me take some sleeping pills so I can be knocked out during the flight.


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#232627 - 06/22/08 09:18 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Nyjah]
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They had the authority to ask for a strip search long before TSA even existed. I heard of it happening at Detroit Metro back in the 1970s.

TM

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#232632 - 06/22/08 09:36 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Trucker51]
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Trucker, I believe you're correct, although that was only regarding international flights. (I THINK)

For instance, if they thought (for whatever reason they wished to make up) that a passenger was a drug currier, they could DETAIN him/her, and force them to (eventually) defecate into special toilet that they could rifle through and look for balloons full of heroin that the passenger may have swallowed.

You think this doesn't happen? Think again. I can link you.


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#232633 - 06/22/08 09:38 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Hauser]
MarkK Offline
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so the world's screwed up
this is new?

it will continue down towards the sewer
just remember
as bad as it all seems
it can get much worse

and most likely will


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#232668 - 06/22/08 11:36 PM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Hauser]
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Originally Posted By: Hauser

I don't feel one bit sorry for those struggling airlines now.


I do. Holy smoke! The airlines didn't ask for the TSA - they have nothing to do with the TSA.

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#232698 - 06/23/08 01:16 AM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: melliferal]
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There was a case some years ago where the only suspicion of the guy was A: He had paid cash at the airport for his ticket, and B: He seemed to be overly anxious about his briefcase. (Just like in the movie Airport with Dean Martin and Burt Lancaster).

The authorities strip-searched him and found a fairly large sum of cash in the briefcase, which was confiscated pending an investigation.

After an extensive investigation it was found that the guy was some rarities dealer who always dealt in cash. It still took him an expensive attorney and a Federal court hearing to get his cash back despite the investigator's findings.

This was just one of several dozen abusive cases at the hands of airport security that I read about well before TSA. In another case at Metro Airport, police suspected a guy who flew into Metro from Atlanta, who along with his entire family was detained and strip-searched upon arrival in Detroit. The stuff was eventually found, inside a couple of his kids. There was criminal activity and legitimate suspicion involved, but does that justify strip-searching an entire family arriving on a domestic commercial flight in the 1970s?

I have already seen a comedic proposal for all of us to fly commercially in the nude!!!

Mark

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#232715 - 06/23/08 03:25 AM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: Trucker51]
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Registered: 06/12/08
Posts: 1755
Loc: Mojave Desert, Ca
I hate flying too, what the terrorists didn't accomplist the feds will do for them. Makes you wonder where the real threat lies.
I am a truck driver and I work for Roadway Express. I run a bid to the port of Long Beach Ca. two weeks ago I had to go down to downtown L.B. to get my finger prints scan and my picture taken
so they can do a security check to make sure i'm not a threat to our national security. Also the last time I renew my license I had to have a background check to keep my haz-mat endorsement. When is enought -enought.

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#232723 - 06/23/08 06:49 AM Re: I'm NEVER flying again!!!!!! [Re: michael banks]
Hauser Offline
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Mel. The airlines are complicit in their own demise, as far as never having return customers, such as me, who value freedom and don't want it squandered away for the sake of (promised) security.

They are private entities who COULD lobby congress and tell them to back off with their police state tactics, but they don't, they think that searching people and asking them for their "papers" is just fine. Hence, I have no pity for them.


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